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Mobius -> Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/14/2011 7:46:38 PM)

I'm going over the Stalingrad map and changing a few structures. I found a couple more photos showing the foot bridge over the RR yard. But I can't tell what is at the far end. This doesn't show up clearly in any photos. I'll make the best guess I can from these photos.

The top one is pre-bombardment of Stalingrad. The middle one is after bombing it into ruins. And the bottom one is a long range shot of the RR control tower and the area north of the station. There is a bit in the distance which might be something at the end of the footbridge.

Anybody have an idea of what this would look like?


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Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/16/2011 5:11:52 PM)

I went with the least amount of speculation about what the west end of the foot bridge is like. After using Google Earth to see what's there now it looks like some communter platforms are there. And these use a bridge to get communter from these platforms over to the main station. So this may have been the design back in '42. In that case I just put two stairways to the bridge from the platforms.


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Richie61 -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/18/2011 6:57:31 PM)

You may have seen these.
[image]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3823/battlestalingrad1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8128/battlestalingrad2.jpg[/image]

[image]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1807/battlestalingrad3b.jpg[/image]




Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/18/2011 8:10:17 PM)

Thanks, I have seen the upper ones before, though not as clear. The lower one is new to me.

The upper one does make me want to build a 200 ton heavy duty flat car.




Richie61 -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/18/2011 9:52:37 PM)

I thought this was a dead link, but it seems to work again.
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/stalingradaerialscans/GX1137SG/slides/GX1137SG-046.html

Here's the famous photo:
[image]http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1430/stalingradplan.jpg[/image]




Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/19/2011 3:57:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61

You may have seen these.
[image]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3823/battlestalingrad1.jpg[/image]

I've been trying to speculate on what are on those heavy load flat cars. The closest cargo looks like a large pump. Right behind that looks like large steel panels or doors. The next car has something that looks like a large hinge knuckle sticking up. Maybe some industrial or farm equipment or it could be an actual hinge for some huge door.

What if all those things were related? Could it be for a canal lock? Russia used a lot of river transport, so it is not uncommon.




Richie61 -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/20/2011 3:35:21 AM)

The first one does look like a water pump. I work with water cast iron fitting and fire pump and it looks like something related to water pumping.
The other ones could be anything. As you remember in June 1941 the German's invaded and the Russian moved a lot of their manufacturing plants
away from the German armies.
[image]http://www.junebarbarossa.com/img/upload/uydtytyt.jpg[/image]

quote:

The Soviet military revival in 1942 and 1943 was inextricably linked to the recovery of the battered industrial economy. The Soviet war effort was saved only by a most remarkable exodus of machines, equipment and manpower from the areas under German attack in 1941. Two days after the German attack a Committee of Evacuation was set up, with a staff of eighty-five planners and officials under the leadership of a Party favourite of Stalinís, Lazar Kaganovich. Unable to cope with the scale of the emergency, he was replaced in July by the trade union leader, N. M. Shvernik. Evacuation was carried out under exceptional difficulties. Subjected to air attack, with German forces often at no more than a few hoursí distance, thousands of engineers and workers swarmed like ants over their factories, dismantling machinery and hauling equipment and vital materials to the nearest railhead. Here it was loaded, often manhandled, onto flatcars or into boxcars, for the long journey east. Whenever possible, each train carried a whole plant and its workforce. The workers were packed into cars equipped with rows of bunks and a stove. At their destination in the Urals, Kazakhstan or Siberia, they poured out of the cars and began the arduous work of reassembling their workplace.
 




Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/20/2011 1:33:49 PM)

The rail cars with the heavy equipment in your first Stalingrad photo are special built to haul very heavy cargo, So they probably were meant for that load. Seeing as there was a steel plant at Stalingrad it may have been made there and due to be transported elsewhere. If meant for someplace overrun by Germans it may have been left there for some time. It is not unheard of for cargo to be left in railcars in Russia for a year or more.




Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (10/27/2011 9:07:55 PM)

I could not figure out what was on the heavy flat cars behind the end one. Instead of trying to model something that I have only a distant view of I just left those cars empty.

When I went to place the cars per the photo I found through triangulation they are actually several hundred meters off the end of the map.[:@] But to not waste the models I placed them on map. Other than distance it kind of matches.

[image]local://upfiles/21308/F0DCD7AA8C154E17ACF927FB5C3783B3.jpg[/image]




Richie61 -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (5/17/2012 4:47:11 AM)

Bump [:D]
Where is this located?
[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7GRJqUC4iro/TV_MAXUcW4I/AAAAAAAAF2M/BIOfbCSXZg0/s1600/battle-stalingrad-russian-soldiers-ww2-002.jpg[/image]




Mobius -> RE: Help me identify Stalingrad RR structure. (5/21/2012 7:59:29 PM)

If it's at Stalingrad it might be at one of the factories. I haven't seen any pics of that area that weren't ruins.




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