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Erkki -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/8/2011 6:44:58 AM)

Do you think you can afford to have almost 30 DDs and some CAs and CLs away from killing stuff for weeks, some for a full month? (sailing, refueling, refitting...)

Isn't it not more important to use every day of the amphibious invasion bonus time and the time the Allies are at their weakest? [&:]




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/8/2011 7:00:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

Do you think you can afford to have almost 30 DDs and some CAs and CLs away from killing stuff for weeks, some for a full month? (sailing, refueling, refitting...)

Isn't it not more important to use every day of the amphibious invasion bonus time and the time the Allies are at their weakest? [&:]

Good point. I will check my forces and probably only few ships will start refit. (mostly damaged and old model ships)
I will try to spreed little refits so they will not go all in one moment.




Erkki -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/8/2011 7:05:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: koniu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

Do you think you can afford to have almost 30 DDs and some CAs and CLs away from killing stuff for weeks, some for a full month? (sailing, refueling, refitting...)

Isn't it not more important to use every day of the amphibious invasion bonus time and the time the Allies are at their weakest? [&:]

Good point. I will check my forces and probably only few ships will start refit. (mostly damaged and old model ships)
I will try to spreed little refits so they will not go all in one moment.


Singapore is a good place to do the quickest upgrades... Like depth charges to DMSes and improved ones for SCs. The upgrades of some of those short range DDs are also short.




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/8/2011 8:00:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Erkki
Singapore is a good place to do the quickest upgrades... Like depth charges to DMSes and improved ones for SCs. The upgrades of some of those short range DDs are also short.


I was planing to use Singer and HK to fast refits and emergency repairs and HI shipyards to long repairs, refits and conversions.

I will only send those ships to refit that need them asap (low AA defense, etc)

When i back home i will check what ships i have in first line and how many i will need in next weeks.








koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/8/2011 3:32:27 PM)

4 FEB 42

Betty`s from Kendari attack ships in Darwin. I forgot to change range after Hermes hunt. I have lost 12 planes from A2A and Ops. 5 pilots KIA, 4 MIA.

Docup send again bombers to Palembang. Airfield will be closed for long time.
I have shoot down 12 Blenheim's and 7 139WH-3 planes.

No damage to 4E bombers.






koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/9/2011 3:23:52 PM)

5 FEB 42

Oosthaven invasion in move. They will arrive to target tomorrow afternoon. KB protect fleet from air. 3xCL and 6xDD SAG and ASW TF protect fleet on sea. 6xDMSes will arrive to Oosthaven at night to sweep mines.

Patrol planes from KB spotted cargo TF in Tjilatjap(Java) and attack. 4 xAKes sunk.

In Burma my fighters sweep Rangoon. 26 Hurricane IIa/b fighters destroyed. I have lost 5 A6M`s

I have landed in Gasmata. In few next turn i will start taking bases around Salomon Sea.
Air support will be given from baby KB. Next step will be PM but i will wait for KB with that.

I have 3 SS havy damage in last 3 days. they are now slowly retuning to home.

Fighters in China will start to sweep locations where is highly probable AVG will LCAP.
Sweeping AFs give no result, so i will try to find them counting only on my luck.








koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/10/2011 3:05:00 PM)

6 FEB 42

Disaster!!
KB south east of Java have spotted ships in Tjilatjap. 60 Kate's lunch but because weather was not perfect(overcast)[:@] fighter commanders decide to cancel mission.(they have high aggressiveness and air skill but those few clouds scare them to death).
All squads was rested and set in good attitude. They was set on 30CAP and 20 rest so at lest 50% of fighters should fly as escort
So Kate's attack without escort enemy CAP engage and shot down 17 bombers. Worst is that they not hit any of ships and 8 pilots KIA, 7 MIA. I can replace planes but pilots lose is big hit to me.
I asking where is logic. In RL they should cancel both missions not only bombers.
Life(game) sometimes give you that ****.

Units land in Oosthavet. No enemy present. I have also capture base south of Palembang destroying another 300 enemy squads. I will start to transport LCU`s from Sumatra to Singer they will rest there and in 2-3 weeks i will land in Java. Allied units in Sumatra now have zero combat power.

Enemy big TK sunk in Christmas Island. More TK`s spotted. Search planes spotted also ???CVE`s??? Three more SS`s will try to attack them tomorrow.
I willing to risk my SS on shallow weather. Enemy ASW is not good for now so they have chance to survive and occasion to sunk TK`s or ??CV?? is worth of trying. Later in game when allied ASW will be better i mission like that will be suicide.

Ro-60 sunk from mine hit in Wake








PaxMondo -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/10/2011 4:13:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: koniu

I asking where is logic. In RL they should cancel both missions not only bombers.

Unfortunately, no. There are prolly hundreds of examples on both sides of this during the war. Particularly the IJ, which had few radios.

On the allied side at Midway, almost half the strikes arrived completely uncoordinated. They couldn't see each other due to clouds and their radio contacts failed.




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/10/2011 4:29:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu

I asking where is logic. In RL they should cancel both missions not only bombers.

Unfortunately, no. There are prolly hundreds of examples on both sides of this during the war. Particularly the IJ, which had few radios.

On the allied side at Midway, almost half the strikes arrived completely uncoordinated. They couldn't see each other due to clouds and their radio contacts failed.


You right. I am still thinking like this is 2011 not 1942.
It was just bad luck.

Good site is i still have full squads in KB. planes was replaced from reserve and pilots number is enough to use all planes so KB will hut little.

PS. One of ships attacked by Kate's was CL Enterprise, i hope when i meet his bigger cousin i will have better aim

EDIT:
My knowledge is limited. But as i know bomber launch from carriers first and fighters last because they are faster they can catch bombers and protect them during attack. In my case bombers launch but when fighters decide to stay on ground there was no way to give that info to bombers and they fly alone??




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/11/2011 5:04:03 PM)

7 FEB 42

Oosthaven taken. I have lost xAP from dutch sub, but it was easy target after mine hit day earlier.

Zeros have sweep Soerabaja.
14 zeros 26 enemy fighters shot down. Not what i have expected. He have now little better fighters and pilots so it is not easy like earlier. 14 of them was P-40E.

KB south of Soereabaja sailing east. In day or two he will change direction to north and will bombard Ambon next target will be Truk.

Baby KB and support SAG near Ontong Java. They sailing slowly south. I want them to patrol little around Guadalcanal area. If Docup decide to attack my forces in Salomon Sea they will be in good place to cut of them when they will return home.

Interesting situation at china.
Docup have 130k man in Loyang. Only hex west of city is open. Rest is in my hands. I have 3200AV on move to encircle him. All his units are in move trying to escape i hope i will catch some of them.

EDIT:
AO`s TF in Christmas Island. SS score 1 torp hit.
AO presence??? few big ships can be in area. I do not think that Docup is using AO`s for transport duty. It can be replenishment TF





koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/12/2011 9:07:01 AM)

8 FEB 42

Docup send 4E bombers to attack Palembang port, 18 cargo and transport ships hit. 2 sunk, 1 more probably will not survive next few days. I am sending all ships capable of 10 knot speed to Singer for fast repairs in shipyard.

DD`s in Palembang hex sunk Dutch SS.

Japanese sub near Rockhampton put torpedo in CL Perth

KB undetected between Java and Australia.
Baby KB undetected east of Guadalcanal

In china in 2-3 days i will have huge battle in open hex near Loyang (enemy forces `140k men, Japanese forces 100k 3200AV)

[image]local://upfiles/37745/ECB7821167044226B42CC6092B4CD223.jpg[/image]




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/12/2011 8:49:08 PM)

9 FEB 42

Docup send 4E bomber to Singer. One of BB take 3x500lb bombs. but only 3 sys damage.
One of bombs hit TK 4 sys and 11 flt damage. 70 fighters was set on CAP but because of weather non on them flight.

Damaged ships from Palembang sailing to Singer. Ships are in good condition. Then need two more days.

KB and Baby KB still undetected.

Lae taken. It cost me two xAK and 400 man.

From few days weather is against me. In last turn 70% of missions was canceled






koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/13/2011 8:06:38 AM)

10 FEB 42

It was a sub day:

CL Danae, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage sunk later after Batty`s attack
AMC Manoora, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Clan Cameron, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TK Gulfland, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage sunk
TK Hadnot, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage sunk


KB found CL Mauritius south of Java and hit him with 7x250kg bombs. Pilots reporting massive ammo and fuel explosions


Betty's from Kendari attack and score one torpedo hit to CL Danae. He was hit by two torpedoes today and was already damaged so he probably sunk.

It looks like Docup was trying to evacuate ships from Java. KB will leave Java area, and i want to Docup know about that.


US submarine spoted in Bataan. MacArthur`s evacuation??? [:D]




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/13/2011 6:33:02 PM)

11 FEB 42

Units have landed in Tulagi. I start to build airfield in Shortlands.
Baby KB still undetected.

SS I-121 attack and and sunk KV near Colombo. After DC attack he was forced to surface, he shelled two more KV`s putting one in heavy fire. Good fight but they will not survive. 86 flood damage and long road to home.

LCU`s enter hex west of Loyang. 2100AV in place. Docup in full retreat from hex. I will wait one more day before attack. Tomorrow 1200AV more will arrive making 3300AV force, they have only 1 mile to march.
I do not think that he manage to retreat before i attack tomorrow.

KB sailing to Ambon area i have leave 2 SAG groups between Java and Australia. I hope that when Docup will spot KB around Ambon he will tray to use this window to evacuate ships from Soerabaja.







koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/14/2011 6:48:46 PM)

12 FEB 42

All LCU`s west of Loyang. Tomorrow I will deliberate attack.

Planes from Kendari sunk 2 Dutch minesweepers.
Sub near Hawaii score Torpedo hit to xAP. 4 enemy vehicles destroyed.

KB near Ambon sailing north to refuel.
Baby KB still undetected

I have almost 60 navy fighter pilots in training squadrons with air skill 65+, and XP less than 50. I will train them on 100 feet and sweep mission to make them better in defense. skill





koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/18/2011 5:15:36 PM)

13-15 FEB 42

Only important things for me.

China. Loyang captured. OK, not captured but Chinese troops just live it undefended.
One big battle with small losses. I have lost 6k man and 150 squads, enemy loses 10k and 200 squads. almost 800 Japanese squads disabled.

Palembang airfield operational. Port need few more days. I have landed in Billiton. I will build airfield there and use it during Java invasion. Supplies ans engineers already in place.

Presence of heavy damaged CA Cornwall in Ambon port confirmed. I have attack port 3 times now, scoring one 250kg and one 800kg bomb to cruiser.

I will stay in area for few more days but not because Cornwall. After returning from ride south of Java, submarine attack and hit one torpedo in BB Kongo. Damages are average (5/33/11) and ship will survive, KB will give air support to Kongo until he reach save waters. I will use this time and try to attack Ambon one or two times. If i get lucky i will hit Cornwall few more times.


I have start to build airfields in Shortlands and Tulagi. I will use them as support to PM invasion.

CL Tenryu , and CL Tatsuta start 180 day conversion to CLAA`s

I think that Bataan forces start to be low on supplies. I am bombing them now every turn from air and ground. First time from beginning of siege my artillery is making more damage than he making to me.


Future Planes:
I want to do few thinks before invasion bonus ends:
-Land in Java
-Take Ambon and Timor
-Land in PM
-Take few more island south of Tarawa
-Try to take Wake - not 100% sure








koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/19/2011 12:01:37 PM)

16 FEB 42

Another attack on Ambon`s port. This time i have more luck
4x250kg and 1x800kg bomb hits. All have penetrate Cornwall deck armor. After 800kg bomb hit pilots reported "under deck heavy explosion" and "critical damage"
Cornwall survive with heavy fires and heavy damage.

BB Kongo protected by KB fighters. I have also give him 4 DD escort. He is able to 15 knots speed. He will be safe in 3-4 days. Now he need to sneak between at least 5 allied subs.
I have report that sub who attack Kongo last day, was sunk by Val from KB


Other areas mostly sweeps, bombings and troop and supply transports




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/19/2011 2:44:50 PM)

17 FEB 42

CA Cornwall probably sunk. He was not spotted in Ambon during todays attack and i do not think he was in good shape to sail to Australia. Ambon detection 9/10 and i have also search planes in this area[:D]

I have lost SS in Christmas island.[:@] He was force to go to surface and naval battle start.
One of allied DD reported as sunk. Another SS score 2 torps hit in big TK.

Deliberate attack in Bataan. Loses are equal 2.5k for both sides. Forts reduced to 1
I am now sure that they are out of supplies there. I will give time to rest to my units. For now i will bombard them for few days.

KB north of Ambon he will refuel tomorrow from AO`s. BB Kongo little south, he is in 1/3 road from save waters





koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/20/2011 7:06:13 PM)

18-19 FEB 42

KB and BB Kongo TF`s refueled from AO`s and now sailing to Babeldoab. From there KB will sail to Rabul and Kongo to Japan for repairs.

Baby KB resting in Rabul

Tulagi is now base for patrol planes. Entire area between Rabul, Tulagi, Noumea nad Australia is in search range.

Fighters sweep Soearabaja and Port Moresby. 16 A6Ms lost. Allies lost 42 planes




I almost ready for PM invasion. LCU`s are ready. Baby KB in Rabul waiting for planes and pilots replacements. KB will arrive to Rabul in 4 days. KB will need few days to take new planes. Pilots are ok.
In sea I will have 6CV, 3CVL, 2CVE, 6BB, 9CA, 5CL, 30+DD,
In air all full CV squadrons and 65 A6M`s and 50 G4M`s on AF.

So i need at lest 2 more weeks to start.











koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/27/2011 9:39:10 AM)

20-22 FEB 42

quiet times

KB and MKB with SAG start to concentrate one day east of Rabul. I am doing this on sea because Docup recon Rabul every turn and i do not what to show my forces to him before everything is ready. Truk is also not save - many, many subs in area.

LCU will start to load on ships in 2 days. Everything should be ready to start PM invasion in 5 days.

In china and Burma lots on sweeps and bombings. NO ground battles.

In Java I am sweeping and bombing AF to close them down. Betty's attack port in Soearabaja Scoring hits in CL Java and SS.
Cruiser reported as sunk.

LCU in Singer are resting and preparing to Java invasion

On 22 FEB big sea TF spotted by one of my subs north-west of Phoenix Islands.
I have focus my search planes in this area. If Docup is trying Tarawa raid i will respond with full KB and MKB power, if this is only cargo TF accidentally sailing that much north only MKB will react.
They are now in position to react in 2 days.
I have no air power in Gilberst so i hope it is FoW only

Allied DD found one of my mines in Suva. Sinking sounds - so he is out of game.






koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/27/2011 11:29:35 AM)

23 FEB 42

Carries continuing concentration east of Rabul.
TF spotted north-west of Phoenix Islands is gone. I will Patrol this area for few more days, but i think it was only FoW

Deliberate attack in Bataan. I have taken more losses than allies. I will rest for few days and try again


PM invasion Plan

I will use 1DIV and 4 marine brigades (600AV)
Direct support will be given by SAG and planes from Rabul and MKB.
Landing will be pradated by mine sweep and bombardment.
KB will stay south near Guadalcanal out of allies patrol range and will only intervene if allies bring bigger air or sea forces. If not KB will ride SE cost of Australia.




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 5:26:11 AM)

24 FEB 42

Zeros have sweep Rangoon. 16 zeros to 12 hurricanes lost. Not good result, i will need to focus more on what pilots i have there.
30 Oscars sweep Java. They found 40 P40E`s shotting down 13 of them with no own losses[:D]
Sweep over PM found nothing.

My air force is killing remnants of Sumatra Garrison. 1000 men left. They stuck in mountains without supplies and hope. Every turn i am killing about 200 of them.

KB and BKB almost ready. Troops will start loading tomorrow.

Sub near Sakhalin sunk one of my TK`s, i have also lost xAKL in sea accident.




Erkki -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 9:06:00 AM)

If you want comparison... I used 1 div + 144th reg, 1 SNLF, 1 AAA, 1 ENG and 1 JNAF AF unit against (lightly reinforced) PM. I lost 4 xAKs to DC guns that sunk 2-4 days after invasion(+ 1 damaged, having DDs and a CL(which also received a lot of hits) in the TF probably drew most of the fire away from the transports) but the battleship bombardment probably helped suppressed both the guns and defending men enough that almost everyone got ashore safely(7 squads disabled by shore guns + losses to surf) and place fell on day 2. Defending AV was 84(probably 90-95 before bombardments) with following units:

A Coy/NG Rifles
49th Australian Battalion
Papuan Inf Battalion
13th Field Regiment
15th RAN Base Force

The moment the invasion fleet sailed around the end of New Guinea and past Milne Bay, the KB hit Brisbane and made short work of whatever naval units were earmarked for use in a counter strike against an invasion of PM, Horn Island and/or southern Solomons chain.

Also the invasion fleet had target set to Tulagi and no troops were prepped(was during amphibious bonus) so I dont think the Allies were given any SigInt warning. They were almost revealed by a submarine near Rabaul - which saw a PB and a DD at least. PM had no patrol planes, just short range Hudsons and/or Wirraways or something so the approach was safe until the last 24 hours.




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 9:23:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

If you want comparison... I used 1 div + 144th reg, 1 SNLF, 1 AAA, 1 ENG and 1 JNAF AF unit against (lightly reinforced) PM. I lost 4 xAKs to DC guns that sunk 2-4 days after invasion(+ 1 damaged, having DDs and a CL(which also received a lot of hits) in the TF probably drew most of the fire away from the transports) but the battleship bombardment probably helped suppressed both the guns and defending men enough that almost everyone got ashore safely(7 squads disabled by shore guns + losses to surf) and place fell on day 2. Defending AV was 84(probably 90-95 before bombardments) with following units:

A Coy/NG Rifles
49th Australian Battalion
Papuan Inf Battalion
13th Field Regiment
15th RAN Base Force

The moment the invasion fleet sailed around the end of New Guinea and past Milne Bay, the KB hit Brisbane and made short work of whatever naval units were earmarked for use in a counter strike against an invasion of PM, Horn Island and/or southern Solomons chain.

Also the invasion fleet had target set to Tulagi and no troops were prepped(was during amphibious bonus) so I dont think the Allies were given any SigInt warning. They were almost revealed by a submarine near Rabaul - which saw a PB and a DD at least. PM had no patrol planes, just short range Hudsons and/or Wirraways or something so the approach was safe until the last 24 hours.


Thanks. Very useful info. I think Docup can have there 200-300AV(i always count little more to have some error margin[:'(]). Recon is showing 12k man and 30 guns so i thinking of taking little more than 600. I have 1100AV in PM.


I think he will try to defend hard PM at lest in air and maybe tray quick surface night rides against invasion fleet. I do not suspect heavy naval opposition, but i do not know were Allied CV`s are (i am suspecting PH or Christmas Island because i have Intel about CVL`s and CVE`s there.

In case he will try to use PM invasion as window to raid Tarawa etc. I am evacuating important ships to Truk. I also have send few PB`s south and east of Tarawa to us them as forward warning units. I can spare few of them if they give me 2-3 day warning about enemy.




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 4:23:21 PM)

This is one of my training squadrons for navy fighter pilots.
Should i wait until they have 50 XP or i need harvest them to reserve and start training new pilots?
How can i speedup training of defense skill.
[image]local://upfiles/37745/FC4289D8BF264FC18FA64CCA39D2D3AC.jpg[/image]




Erkki -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 4:31:49 PM)

Their Defn skill seems to be pretty low - I'd train them for at least a week in strafing or LowN now that they still learn quick...




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/28/2011 4:46:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

Their Defn skill seems to be pretty low - I'd train them for at least a week in strafing or LowN now that they still learn quick...

I will try. I hope they will have Def 60+, this will make them very good pilots.
As i understand training pilots 50+XP or 70+ skill is pointless because it take to much time?




koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/29/2011 5:59:36 AM)

25 FEB 42

PM invasion
MKB in starting position, KB need one more day. I have start loading troops in Rabul. I will use 1 DIV,1 Brg,3 SNLF, 1 AAA,1 ART and 2 ENG units (together 780AV). When all units will be in starting position i will give more details and some pictures.

China
Oscars have found AVG. Loses are 7 Oscars to 23 allied planes (AVG have now 40-50 planes in service)

Java invasion.
I am reckoning and sweeping all bases in Java. What i found is is 60-70k men in ground, and about 45 fighters and 50 bombers. When invasion start i will have 150+ fighters and 200+ bombers. Some bases are undefended but i think they are mined. I will land as close to Batavia as passable to give better air support to landing forces.
For now i am building 2 more AF In Borneo and island between Borneo and Sumatra to use them as reserve in case Docup will to try to close my main AF with B17`s rides.





koniu -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/30/2011 5:34:40 AM)

26 FEB 42

22 B17E`s attack AF in north Indochina. My Zeros made good job. 5 enemy bombers reported shot down or destroyed by ops losses.

Betty`s attack PM AF 2xP40E and one light bomber destroyed. In next turn i will sweep PM. Very often after such ride Docup is trying Air trap.




PaxMondo -> RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) (11/30/2011 12:47:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu

26 FEB 42

22 B17E`s attack AF in north Indochina. My Zeros made good job. 5 enemy bombers reported shot down or destroyed by ops losses.

With FOW, my experience is that only 3 B-17's likely were lost ... maybe 4.




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