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Lunaticus -> Community Mod Project (5/18/2011 1:59:39 PM)

Wanted to start some community mod project with whomever would like to participate.
The idea is straightforward: Joining together to see if we can create something interesting together. It is open for everybody (no modding background required).

First we would need to align on a vision.
Then I assume we would detail a bit what should be included and detail some concepts. The idea is then that everybody who wants to contribute can take over some part (like making the map, providing graphics, setting up SFTs, writing events, playtesting etc) and then see how far we get.
We can use the forum for discussion and maybe doodle for voting as necessary.

If you are interested please post.
First thing will be to brainstorm for some setup and vision...
List of suggested settings (still open):
1. Grand scale, multi-regime conquest game
2. Hypothetical 1980+ invasion of Western Europe by Warsaw Pact
3. Big WWI scenario
4. WWII scenario from Barbarossa up to the late 45┤s, and with some possible cold war developments
5. Great war mod for random games
6. "Race to Berlin"; competitive co-operation game between the different Soviet commanders
7. Science-Fiction (Star Wars / Dune)




mgaffn1 -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/18/2011 6:04:07 PM)

Depending on what type of scenario, I would be glad to contribute to the map building aspect. (you can check out an example of my work on the Community website scenario bank - Europa basic map)

Subject matter:
My preference would be for a grand scale, multi-regime conquest game. Less interested in single battle scenarios...




Ande -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/18/2011 11:19:58 PM)

There are somethings I'd like to recommend when developing software in a group.
  • the project is located in a dropbox folder shared by all participants
  • the project takes advantage of the different "Import" functionalities of the editor (the use should depend on number of active developers and above all, convinience)
    • locationtypes, SFT types and so forth can all be created in independent masterfiles and then imported to a "Master" masterfile
    • this is expecially true for event development
  • documentation is key: there should be a changelog containing notes of all changes mad, who made them and where 
  • independent functions should be documented in an API, containing such things as description, name of event, id number of event, eventgroup, masterfile, inputs and outputs
I'm not sure exactly how all tmpVars are passed between caller and callee of events but I do know that tmpVars900+ are global for the entire callstack. Because 900 is an easy number to remember I would suggest that these are made standard function argument. One should be careful to note that these variable are passed by reference: changes to the variable inside the called function will change its value outside it. Therefore you can never trust that the values of those variables are what you expect them to be after calling a function (unless, of course, the function developer made a promise that it be what you expect).





Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 1:12:42 AM)

Thanks for the replies so far. I agree that good coordination is important in these kind of endeavours. I am hopeful that however coding itself will not be the main task of modding.

@mgaffn1: Looked at your map some days ago and really liked it. Thanks for sharing. I think that your map will lend itself to some nice scenarios. The one which came to my mind would be some sort of a hypothetical 1980+ invasion of Western Europe by Warsaw Pact forces (along the lines of C64 Nato Commander). With this engine a lot of things could be incorporated (like: simulating a complex command structure for Nato, an OOB with airborne troops, helicopters and MBTs, chemical and tactical nuclear strikes, political repercussions of events, Reforger buildup, etc). Might even be interesting to add part of the middle-east to the map... For this scenario from my perspective the biggest challenge would be to create reasonable OOBs and of course to get the AI to play this at some point... Grymme made a very interesting WIII scenario with a global focus but this could be maybe with a smaller and more detailed focus.

However will still be open for suggestions as to setup so if there are other suggestions please post. My other suggestion would be to do something along the lines of Star Wars or Dune..




Bombur -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 1:44:18 AM)

I would suggest a big WWI scenario....but your idea of WWIII is great too. I could help regardless of what will be the final decision. Another interesting project I have would be a WWII scenario from Barbarossa up to the late 45┤s, and with some possible cold war developments. It would be a three player game (maybe with each player commanding more than one regime).




Ande -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 8:05:43 AM)

I have mainly two ideas for scenarios.

The first is a Great war mod for random games
Basically the same game but without most of the machanized units and with a few changes.(I posted these suggestions somewhere else also)

The basic fighting unit for both attack and defence will be Rifle's. The attack value of rifle's should be increased to match the defencive value to reflect the doctrines of the time. To make it historical, maximum and per turn entrenchment should be increased. This way, I figure, it will be quite possible to displace an entrenched unit but the advance will be very vulnerable to counterattack, neatly reflecting the historical case of both western and eastern fronts.

Artillery is a integral part of any army of the era, so much in fact that I think about introducing artillery shells as a constructible resource. This forces players to stock up on shells before major offencives and will probably cause a shell crisis or two.

Airpower was comperativly useless at influencing the battle directly back then. In order to not marginalize the airwar completly, suggest that the only efficient recon unit should be a observation balloon and the only efficient way of killing that is the fighter aircraft. That way air supremacy means the enemy can't know what you're doing, something that could potetionally be worth spending a lot of resources in but probably isn't, not in the beginning anyway.

The last thing I'd like to introduce is the idea of reserves that could be mobilized. Before mobilization there are a unit called "reservist" and costs about half what a rifle costs. This unit it not a figting unit, it has no combat stats, no movement and a heavy weight so it cant be transported by horses. Upon mobilization, all reservists are transformed into rifles with 70 rdn and the ability to build reservists disapears. This way all players have a cheap way of producing infantry early. Hopefully there will be terrible tension in who mobilizes and when, because no one will want to mobilize in defence (especially if the opponent havent mobilized yet) because then the ability to produce cheap infantry is lost for the entire game.


The other idea I had in mind was a "race to berlin" scenario that would play out as a competetive co-operation game between the different Soviet commanders that tries to snatch as big piece of the glory of defeating germany as possible. Scores should be determined by the number of victory points captured and powerpoints destroyed by each player. There should be some ability to undermine your fellow commanders, maybe by causing suspicion the loyalty of the junior officers of some particularly succesful commander. All such things should be done with care though as if they're too slow, the allies might get to Berlin first by early summer or so. This scenario might be impossible to balance but it would be fun to try.




Grymme -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 8:25:28 AM)

My vote would go for the Warsaw Pact 80s invasion of Western Europe and possible Middle East. My scenario is really old and i do think something much better could be made.

For maps and OOB i think an inspiration could be the Third World War series by GDW games. There are four games. The Third World War, Southern Front, Arctic Front and Persian Gulf front.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3605/the-third-world-war

A good way to start would be to download any VASSAL or similar engine modules and they could be used for overlay for map making.

I could possibly contribute in two ways if anyone is interested. I have a masterfile where i have tried to accomplish something like an comprehensive equipment database. I used a TOAW equipment database as inspiration. So what this has is something like 1 900+ different SFTs. Obviously i have not finished all these SFTs but all the names are there and they are sorted into order. So for example all modern US, Soviet, British, French etc airplanes, tanks etc are there. So if someone wanted to work on the SFTs i could certainly give them a flying start. When i get home from work i can export a text datafile and post it so you can see what i am talking about. My idea for this database would be that it would be a common asset and then when someone made a scenario they would fill in values in the appropriate SFTs with pictures and gradually it would expand until anyone had access to the database whenever they wanted to do an scenario. So far i have made scenarios and filled in (partly) german, italian, british, american and japanese units during WWII.

Second i could do some work on placing units, OOB etc..

Another suggestion would be to have a project dictator whose word goes (Lunaticus).




Grymme -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 8:25:29 AM)


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Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 9:48:44 AM)

Thanks for the suggestions. I think the general way to decide things will be to vote with everybody who has a handle on the matrixforum getting to participate (lateron I think only the people actively contributing will be included). I will collect all suggestions made into the first post to have some overview. Lets say we give everybody some more time for suggestions of settings and then we decide.  




Bombur -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 2:31:32 PM)

I have a Great war mod, with units from 1900-1920┤s that could be useful in the event we decide to do a Great war random mod....




mgaffn1 -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 2:42:52 PM)

I would vote for the 1980's NATO vs. Warsaw pact. Funny, but a few months ago I dusted off my copy of Red Storm Rising and sat down for a good hypothetical WW3 read....

Second choice would be great war... as long as we could make the SFTypes interesting.





GrumpyMel -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 3:48:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Grymme


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Oh man, I remember that boardgame series. We had a ton of fun playing that in college!




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/19/2011 8:50:32 PM)

Ok. I declare voting to be open.
Here is the link:
http://doodle.com/2czhucb547mgn7bn
Please use your matrixforum user to vote. Everybody gets one vote. I would say we close the doodle polling station on Saturday 10 AM CET / Saturday 4 AM Eastern.
Lets see how this turns out!




Vic -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/20/2011 6:11:03 PM)

I think a space scenario done with keeping the AI needs in mind will be very welcome addition to the scenariobank.
Also i think a ww1 random game mod might work very well since the nature of ww1 combat puts less presure on the AI.

Whatever you guys decide, i will see what i can do to help in the form of adding some checks and execs needed for scripting needs.

best,
Vic




Grymme -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/21/2011 7:39:52 AM)

Here is a text export from my equipment project. The first 99 SFTs are the normal AT SFTs. I have kept them so far as references.

0, Rifle
1, Truck
2, Fighter
3, Destroyer
4, Light Tank
5, Artillery
6, Carrier
7, SMG
8, Engineer
9, Infantry Gun
10, AT-Gun
11, Medium Tank
12, Cargoship
13, Submarine
14, Levelbomber
15, Transporter
16, Horses
17, Paratrooper
18, Flak
19, Heavy Tank
20, Machinegun
21, Scout
22, Mortar
23, Bazooka
24, Staff
25, Tankdestroyer
26, Armoured Car
27, Cruiser
28, Battleship
29, Divebomber
30, Rifle II
31, Rifle III
32, SMG II
33, SMG III
34, Fighter II
35, Fighter III
36, Destroyer II
37, Destroyer III
38, Light Tank II
39, Light Tank III
40, Artillery II
41, Artillery III
42, Carrier II
43, Carrier III
44, Infantry Gun II
45, Infantry Gun III
46, AT-Gun II
47, AT-Gun III
48, Medium Tank II
49, Medium Tank III
50, Submarine II
51, Submarine III
52, Levelbomber II
53, Levelbomber III
54, Flak II
55, Flak III
56, Heavy Tank II
57, Heavy Tank III
58, Machinegun II
59, Machinegun III
60, Scout II
61, Scout III
62, Mortar II
63, Mortar III
64, Bazooka II
65, Bazooka III
66, Staff II
67, Staff III
68, Tankdestroyer II
69, Tankdestroyer III
70, Cruiser II
71, Cruiser III
72, Battleship II
73, Battleship III
74, Divebomber II
75, Divebomber III
76, Halftrack
77, Rifle IV
78, SMG IV
79, Fighter IV
80, Destroyer IV
81, Light Tank IV
82, Artillery IV
83, Carrier IV
84, Infantry Gun IV
85, AT-Gun IV
86, Medium Tank IV
87, Submarine IV
88, Levelbomber IV
89, Flak IV
90, Heavy Tank IV
91, Machinegun IV
92, Scout IV
93, Mortar IV
94, Bazooka IV
95, Staff IV
96, Tankdestroyer IV
97, Cruiser IV
98, Battleship IV
99, Divebomber IV


100, Civil Police
101, Military Police
102, Irregular Rifle
103, Cavalry (saber)
104, Cavalry (lance)
105, Cavalry (heavy)
106, Mounted Rifle (early)
107, Mounted Rifle (late)
108, Motorcycle
109, Bicyclist
110, Light Rifle
111, Light Rifle AT-
112, Light Rifle AT
113, Light Rifle AT+
114, Rifle
115, Rifle (musket)
116, Rifle (early)
117, Rifle AT-
118, Rifle AT
119, Rifle AT+
120, Heavy Rifle
121, Heavy Rifle AT-
122, Heavy Rifle AT
123, Heavy Rifle AT+
124, SMG
125, SMG AT-
126, SMG AT
127, SMG AT+
128, Assault
129, Assault AT
130, Assault AT+
131, Reconnaisance Rifle
132, Reconnaisance Assault
133, Antitank (AT-)
134, Antitank (AT)
135, Antitank (AT+)
136, Engineer
137, Rail Construction
138, Ferry Bridging
139, Support
140, Staff
141, Porter
142, Machinegun (early)
143, Heavy Machinegun
144, Machinegun
145, Auto Grenade Launcher
146, AT Rifle
147, Heavy AT Rifle
148, 25mm AT Gun
149, 28mm AT Gun
150, 37mm AT Gun
151, 2pnd AT Gun
152, 45mm AT Gun
153, 47mm AT Gun
154, 47mm AT(e) Gun
155, 50mm AT Gun
156, 57mm/6pnd AT Gun
157, 75mm AT Gun
158, 75mm AT Gun (Pak 97/38)
159, 76mm AT Gun
160, 17pnd AT gun
161, 85mm AT Gun
162, 85mm (improved) AT Gun
163, 88mm AT Gun
164, 100mm AT Gun
165, 100mm (late) AT Gun
166, 100mm (improved) AT Gun
167, 125mm AT Gun
168, 37 mm Automatic Gun
169, 37mm Light Gun
170, 3pnd Light Gun
171, 47mm Light Gun
172, 57mm Light Gun
173, 6pnd Light Gun
174, 65mm Gun (early)
175, 65mm Light Gun
176, 70mm Light Gun
177, 2,75 inch Light Gun
178, 2,95 inch Light Gun
179, 75mm Light Gun (early)
180, 75mm Light Gun
181, 76mm Light Gun (early)
182, 76mm Light Gun
183, 76mm Light Gun
184, 3,7 inch Light Gun
185, 150mm Light Gun
186, 57mm Recoilless Rifle
187, 73mm Recoilless Rifle
188, 75mm Recoilless Rifle
189, 80mm Recoilless Rifle
190, 82mm Recoilless Rifle
191, 83mm Recoilless Rifle
192, 90mm Recoilless Rifle
193, 104mm Recoilless Rifle
194, 106mm Recoilless Rifle
195, 105mm Recoilless Rifle
196, 107mm Recoilless Rifle
197, 120mm Recoilless Rifle
198, 2,5 inch Light RML Gun
199, 4pnd RML Gun
200, 8pnd RML Gun
201, 12pnd RML Gun
202, 24pnd RML Gun
203, 10pnd RML Gun
204, 20pnd RML Gun
205, 9pnd RML Gun
206, 16pnd RML Gun
207, Light SBML Gun
208, Medium SBML Gun
209, Heavy SBML Gun
210, Very Heavy SBML Gun
211, 7pnd Gun (early)
212, 10pnd Gun (early)
213, 75mm Gun (early)
214, 75mm Gun
215, 75mm Howitzer
216, 75mm ER Gun
217, 76mm Howitzer
218, 3 inch Gun
219, 3 inch ER Gun
220, 13pnd Gun
221, 15pnd Gun (early)
222, 15pnd Gun
223, 76,5mm Gun
224, 77mm Gun (early)
225, 77mm Gun
226, 80mm Gun
227, 80mm ER Gun
228, 18pnd Gun
229, 18pnd ER Gun
230, 25pnd Gun
231, 25pnd ER Gun
232, 87mm Gun
233, 90mm Gun (early)
234, 90mm Gun
235, 90mm ER Gun
236, 95mm Gun
237, 95mm ER Gun
238, 100mm Howitzer
239, 100mm Gun
240, 100mm ER Gun
241, 104mm Gun
242, 104mm ER Gun
243, 105mm Gun
244, 105mm ER Gun
245, 107mm Gun
246, 107mm ER Gun
247, 4,5 inch Howitzer
248, 4,5 inch Gun
249, 4,7 inch Gun (early)
250, 4,7 inch Gun
251, 120mm Gun
252, 120mm ER Gun
253, 122mm Howitzer
254, 122mm Gun
255, 122mm ER Gun
256, 127mm Gun
257, 128mm Gun
258, 60pnd Gun
259, 5 inch Howitzer (early)
260, 5 inch Gun
261, 5 inch ER Gun
262, 130mm Gun
263, 130mm ER Gun
264, 5,4 inch Gun
265, 5,5 inch Gun
266, 140mm Gun
267, 145mm Gun
268, 149mm Gun
269, 149mm ER Gun
270, 150mm Gun
271, 150mm ER Gun
272, 150mm Howitzer
273, 152mm Gun
274, 152mm Howitzer
275, 152mm ER Gun
276, 152mm LR Gun
277, 6 inch Gun
278, 6 inch Howitzer
279, 6 inch ER Gun
280, 155mm Gun
281, 155mm Howitzer
282, 155mm ER Gun
283, 170mm Gun
284, 7 inch Gun
285, 180mm Gun
286, 180mm ER Gun
287, 7,2 inch Howitzer
288, 194mm Gun
289, 200mm Gun
290, 203mm Howitzer
291, 8 inch Gun
292, 8 inch ER Gun
293, 8 inch ER Gun
294, 210mm Gun
295, 210mm Howitzer
296, 210mm ER Gun
297, 220mm Gun
298, Here starts copying strenght
299, 9inch Gun
300, 9,2 inch Gun
301, 240mm Gun
302, 240mm Howitzer
303, 10 inch Gun
304, 260mm Howitzer
305, 11 inch Gun
306, 12 inch Gun
307, 12 inch ER Gun
308, 305mm Gun
309, 305mm Howitzer
310, 310mm Gun
311, 350mm Gun
312, 355mm Howitzer
313, 15 inch Howitzer
314, 380mm Gun
315, 381mm Gun
316, 420mm Gun
317, 420mm ER Gun
318, Siege Mortar
319, Heavy Siege Mortar
320, 45mm Mortar
321, 50mm Mortar
322, 55mm Mortar
323, 58mm Mortar
324, 60mm Mortar
325, 70mm Mortar
326, 76mm Mortar
327, 81mm Mortar
328, 82mm Mortar
329, 82mm Vasilyek
330, 90mm Mortar
331, 105mm Mortar
332, 4 inch Trench Mortar
333, 3 inch Mortar
334, 4,2 inch Mortar
335, 107mm Mortar
336, 120mm Mortar
337, 150mm Mortar
338, 160mm Mortar
339, 6 inch Mortar
340, 220mm Mortar
341, 9 inch Mortar
342, 9,2 inch Trench Mortar
343, 240mm Trench Mortar
344, 240mm Mortar
345, 270mm Mortar
346, 11 inch Mortar
347, 280mm Mortar
348, 370mm Mortar
349, 420mm Mortar
350, 140mm Fixed Gun
351, 150mm Fixed Gun
352, 170mm Fixed Gun
353, 200mm Fixed Gun
354, 240mm Fixed Gun
355, 280mm Fixed Gun
356, 300mm Fixed Gun
357, 380mm Fixed Gun
358, 400mm Fixed Gun
359, Armoured Truck HMG
360, Wheeled 105mm SP Gun
361, Wheeled 105mm SP ER Gun
362, Tracked 105mm SP Gun
363, Tracked 105mm SP ER Gun
364, Tracked 155mm SP Gun
365, Tracked 155mm SP ER Gun
366, TAM VCA 155mm SP Gun
367, AU-50 105mm SP Gun
368, Type 54 122mm SP Gun
369, Type 85 122mm SP Gun
370, Type 531 122mm SP Gun
371, Type 83 152mm SP Gun
372, Dana 152mm SP Gun
373, Zuzana 152mm SP Gun
374, SP122 122mm SP Gun
375, F3 155mm SP Gun
376, AUF-1 GCT 155mm SP Gun
377, SdKfz 135/1 SP Gun
378, SdKfz 251/16 SP Gun
379, Wespe SP Gun
380, Hummel SP Gun
381, FH 18/40 auf 38H(f) SP Gun
382, Pzh 2000 155mm SP Gun
383, L-33 155mm SP Gun
384, Semovente 47/32 SP Gun
385, Semovente 75/18 SP Gun
386, Semovente 90/53 SP Gun
387, Palmaria 155mm SP Gun
388, M109L 155mm SP Gun
389, Type 1 Ho-Ni 75mm SP Gun
390, Type 4 Ho-Ro 150mm SP Gun
391, Type 75 155mm SP Gun
392, M-1974 152mm SP Gun
393, M-1975 130mm SP Gun
394, M-1977 122mm SP Gun
395, M-1981 122mm SP Gun
396, KOKSAN 170mm SP Gun
397, Model 89 122mm SP Gun
398, G6 155mm SP Gun
399, 251 122mm SP Gun
400, 253 152mm SP Gun
401, 255 152mm SP Gun
402, 257 203mm SP Gun
403, 2519 152mm SP Gun
404, 130mm SP Coast Gun
405, Bandkanon 1A 155mm SP Gun
406, M109T155 SP Gun
407, T34-D30 SP Gun
408, M109T 155mm SP Gun
409, Bishop SP Gun
410, Wasp
411, Sexton SP Gun
412, FW443 Abbot SP Gun
413, AS90 155mm SP Gun
414, Halftrack 75mm Howitzer
415, M7 HMC Priest SP Gun
416, M12 HMC SP Gun
417, M37 HMC SP Gun
418, M40 HMC SP Gun
419, M41 HMC SP Gun
420, M44 155mm SP Gun
421, M44T 155mm SP Gun
422, M52 SP Gun
423, M53 SP Gun
424, M55 SP Gun
425, M107 175mm SP Gun
426, M108 105mm SP Gun
427, M109 155mm SP Gun
428, M109A Paladin 155mm SP Gun
429, M110 203 SP Gun
430, M110 (improved) 203mm SP Gun
431, LVTH6 Amphibious Howitzer
432, 150mm RR Gun
433, 160mm RR Gun
434, 170mm RR Gun
435, 194mm RR Gun
436, 200mm RR Gun
437, 200mm ER RR Gun
438, 8 inch RR Gun
439, 8 inch ER RR Gun
440, 210mm RR Gun
441, 9,2 inch RR Gun
442, 9,2 inch ER RR Gun
443, 240mm RR Gun
444, 10 inch RR Gun
445, 270mm RR Gun
446, 270mm ER RR Gun
447, 274mm RR Gun
448, 280mm RR Howitzer
449, 280mm ER RR Gun
450, 285mm RR Gun
451, 293mm RR Gun
452, 12 inch RR Mortar
453, 12 inch RR Gun
454, 12 inch ER RR Gun
455, 305mm RR Gun
456, 320mm RR Gun
457, 340mm RR Gun
458, 340mm ER RR Gun
459, 13,5 inch RR Gun
460, 14 inch RR Gun
461, 14 inch ER RR Gun
462, 370mm RR Gun
463, 380mm RR Gun
464, 380mm ER RR Gun
465, 400mm RR Gun
466, 520mm RR Gun
467, 16 inch RR Gun
468, 18 inch RR Gun
469, 800mm RR Gun
470, Armoured Train
471, Wheeled 81mm SP Mortar
472, Wheeled 82mm SP Mortar
473, Wheeled 107mm SP Mortar
474, Wheeled 120mm SP Mortar
475, Tracked 81mm SP Mortar
476, Tracked 82mm SP Mortar
477, Tracked 107mm SP Mortar
478, Tracked 120mm SP Mortar
479, Halftrack 120mm Mortar
480, S-4K4F -81mm Mortar
481, S-4K7F -81mm Mortar
482, EE-11 Urutu-8mm SP Mortar
483, LAV 81mm SP Mortar
484, LAV 120mm SP Mortar
485, YW 304 82mm SP Mortar
486, YW 381 120mm SP Mortar
487, AMX VTT/PM 81mm SP Mortar
488, AMX VTT/PM 120mm SP Mortar
489, VPM 81 SP Mortar
490, AMC-10TM 120mm SP Mortar
491, VTM 120 SP Mortar
492, Type SX 60 81mm SP Mortar
493, Type SX 60 107mm SP Mortar
494, YPR 765 120mm SP Mortar
495, MLMV 120mm SP Mortar
496, Ratel 81mm SP Mortar
497, Daewoo SP 81mm SP Mortar
498, MT-LB - 120mm SP Mortar
499, Mt-LB - 82mm Vasilek SP Gun
500, 2S4 240mm SP Mortar
501, 2S9 120mm SP Mortar
502, 2S23 120mm SP Mortar
503, BMR-600 SP 81mm Mortar
504, BMR-600 SP 120mm Mortar
505, FMC/NUROL 81mm SP Mortar
506, FMC/NUROL 120mm SP Mortar
507, FV432 81mm SP Mortar
508, Halftrack 81mm Mortar
509, M106 107mm SP Mortar
510, M125 81mm SP Mortar
511, H-73 ATGM
512, HJ-8 ATGM
513, SS-10 ATGM
514, ENTAC ATGM
515, SS-11 ATGM
516, SS-11 Harpoon ATGM
517, Hot ATGM
518, Milan ATGM
519, Cobra ATGM
520, MAPATS ATGM
521, Type 64 ATGM
522, Type 79 ATGM
523, Type 87 ATGM
524, AT-1 Snapper ATGM
525, AT-2 Swatter ATGM
526, AT-3 Sagger ATGM
527, AT-4 Spigot ATGM
528, T-5 Spandrel ATGM
529, AT-6 Spiral ATGM
530, AT-7 Saxhorn ATGM
531, Bill ATGM
532, Swingfire ATGM
533, Dragon ATGM
534, TOW ATGM
535, I TOW ATGM
536, Javelin ATGM
537, Early Rocket Artillery
538, S-4K4F GrW1 81mm SPMRL
539, Oganj 128mm SPMRL
540, Orkan 282mm SPMRL
541, SS-6 108mm MRL
542, SS-30 127mm MRL
543, SS-40 180mm MRL
544, SS-60 300mm MRL
545, ASTROS II SS30 SPMRL
546, ASTROS II SS40 SPMRL
547, ASTROS II SS60 SPMRL
548, 107mm Type 81 SPMRL
549, 122mm Type 81 SPMRL
550, 122mm Type 89 SPMRL
551, 122mm Type 90 SPMRL
552, 130mm Type 63 SPMRL
553, 122mm Type 83 SPMRL
554, 130mm Type 70 SPMRL
555, 130mm Type 82/85 SPMRL
556, 273mm Type 83 SPMRL
557, 273mm Type WM-80 SPMRL
558, 320mm Type WS-1 SPMRL
559, 320mm Type WS-1B SPMRL
560, Waild D-3000 Smoke
561, Walid D-6000 Smoke
562, 150mm Nebelwerfer MRL
563, 210mm Nebelwerfer MRL
564, 280mm Nebelwerfer MRL
565, 150mm Panzerwerfer SPMRL
566, LARS 110mm SPMRL
567, Oghab 230mm SPMRL
568, LAR-160 160mm SPMRL
569, MAR-290 280mm SPMRL
570, MAR-350 350mm SPMRL
571, FIROS-25 122mm SPMRL
572, FIROS-30 122mm SPMRL
573, FIROS 70 122mm SPMRL
574, Type 75 130 SPMRL
575, WP-8 140mm MRL
576, RM-70 122mm SPMRL
577, RM-130 130mm SPMRL
578, 107mm MRL
579, BM-11 122mm SPMRL
580, M-1985 122mm SPMRL
581, M-1985 240mm SPMRL
582, M-1991 240mm SPMRL
583, Valkiri J-5 127mm MRL
584, Valkiri I 127mm SPMRL
585, Valkiri II 127mm SPMRL
586, Kooryong 130mm SPMRL
587, 82mm Katuysha MRL
588, 82mm Katuysha SPMRL
589, 132mm Katuysha SPMRL
590, 132mm Katuysha MRL
591, 300mm MRL
592, BM-13 132mm SPMRL
593, BMB-20 200mm SPMRL
594, BMB-25 250mm SPMRL
595, BM-21 122mm SPMRL
596, BM-21V 122mm SPMRL
597, BM-9P140 220mm SPMRL
598, BM-9A52-2 300mm SPMRL
599, Teruel 140mm SPMRL
600, Kung Feng VI 117mm SPMRL
601, Kung Feng III/IV 126mm SPMRL
602, 4,5inch SPMRL
603, MLRS 227mm SPMRL
604, ATACSMS 610mm SPMRL
605, HIMARS 227mm SPMRL
606, LAR160-AMX 160mm SPMRL
607, SSM-100
608, SSM-150
609, SSM-250
610, SSM-500
611, SSM-750
612, IRBM
613, Light ICBM
614, ICBM
615, Heavy ICBM
616, Veary Heavy ICBM
617, Pluton SSM
618, Hades SSM
619, Shahin-1 SSM
620, Shahin-2 SSM
621, Nazeat-6 SSM
622, Nazeat-10 SSM
623, Nodong SSM
624, Taep├│ dong SSM
625, Scunner SSM
626, Scud-A SSM
627, Frog (early) SSM
628, Frog (late) SSM
629, Scud-B SSM
630, Scud-B (long range) SSM
631, SS-21 SSM
632, Scaleboard 2 SSM
633, Scaleboard SSM
634, SS-23 SSM
635, Honest John SSM
636, Pershing 1 SSM
637, Pershing 2 SSM
638, Lance SSM
639, Light Coastal ASM
640, Medium Coastal ASM
641, Heavy Coastal ASM
642, Truck SPAAMG
643, Dual AAMG
644, Truck Dual SPAAMG
645, Quad AAMG
646, Truck Quad SPAAMG
647, Halftrack Quad SPAAMG
648, Tracked Quad SPAAMG
649, Truck 20mm SPAAG
650, Wheeled 20mm SPAAG
651, 20mm AA Gun
652, Wheeled Dual 20mm SPAAG
653, Wheeled Triple 20mm SPAAG
654, Quad 20mm AA Gun
655, Quad 20mm SPAAG
656, Halftrack 20mm SPAAG
657, Tracked 20mm SPAAG
658, Tracked Dual 20mm SPAAG
659, Tracked Triple 20mm SPAAG
660, 1pnd AA Gun
661, 2pnd AA Gun
662, ZU-23 Dual 23mm AA Gun
663, 25mm AA Gun
664, Wheeled 25mm SPAAG
665, Dual 25mm AA Gun
666, Triple 25mm AA Gun
667, Wheeled 30mm SPAAG
668, Tracked 30mm SPAAG
669, Dual 35mm AA Gun
670, Wheeled Dual 35mm SPAAG
671, 37mm AA Gun
672, Truck 37mm SPAAG
673, Wheeled 37mm SPAAG
674, 40mm AA Gun
675, Truck 40mm SPAAG
676, 57mm AA Gun
677, 75mm AA Gun
678, 76mm AA Gun
679, 77mm AA Gun
680, Truck 12pnd SPAAG
681, Truck 13pnd SPAAG
682, 3 inch AA Gun
683, 80mm AA Gun
684, 85mm AA Gun
685, 90mm AA Gun
686, Truck 90mm SPAAG
687, 3,7 inch AA Gun
688, 100mm AA Gun
689, 130mm AA Gun
690, 88mm Dual Purpose Gun
691, 120mm Dual Purpose Gun
692, 127mm Dual Purpose Gun
693, EE-11 Urutu 20mm SPAAG
694, Type 63 SPAAG
695, Type 80 SPAAG
696, M53/59 SPAAG
697, M113 2*23mm SPAAG
698, AMX 13 DCA SPAAG
699, SdKfz 6/2 SPAAG
700, SdKfz 10/4 SPAAG
701, SdKfz 7/1 SPAAG
702, SdKfz 251/21 SPAAG
703, FlakPz 38t SPAAG
704, M├Âbelwagen SPAAG
705, Wirbelwind SPAAG
706, Ostwind SPAAG
707, Gepard SPAAG
708, Sidam Quad 25mm SPAAG
709, Type 87 SPAAG
710, M-1992 30mm SPAAG
711, Daewoo 20mm SPAAG
712, ZSU-37 SPAAG
713, BTR-40A SPAAG
714, BTR-152A SPAAG
715, BTR-152 23mm SPAAG
716, BTR 152 Quad AAMG
717, ZSU-57-2 SPAAG
718, ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
719, BTR-60 SPAAG
720, 256M SPAAG
721, CV 9040 SPAAG
722, GDF Dual 35mm SPAAG
723, Crusader SPAAG
724, M16/M19 SPAAG
725, M19 MGMC SPAAG
726, M42 Duster SPAAG
727, M167 Vulcan AA Gun
728, M163 Vulcan SPAAG
729, M163 Vulcan (improved) SPAAG
730, Bov-3 SPAAG
731, Bov-30 SPAAG
732, ADATS SPSAM
733, HQ-2J SAM
734, HQ-2J SAM
735, AMX 30 Roland SPSAM
736, Crotale SPSAM
737, Roland 1 SAM
738, Roland 2 SAM
739, Marder Roland SPSAM
740, Wiesel Stinger SPSAM
741, Barak SPSAM
742, Shahine SPSAM
743, SAMV-3 SPSAM
744, SA-1 SAM
745, SA-2 SAM
746, SA-2 (improved) SAM
747, SA-3 SAM
748, SA-4 SPSAM
749, SA-5 SAM
750, SA-6 SAM
751, SA-6 SPSAM
752, SA-8 SPSAM
753, SA-9 SPSAM
754, SA-10 SPSAM
755, SA-11 SPSAM
756, SA-12 SAM
757, SA-13 SPSAM
758, SA-15 SPSAM
759, SA-17 SPSAM
760, Lurbv 701 SPSAM
761, Tien Shung 1 SAM
762, Tien Shung 2 SAM
763, Bloodhound Mk 1 SAM
764, Bloodhound Mk 2 SAM
765, Rapier SAM
766, Tracked Rapier SPSAM
767, Stormer Starstreak SPSAM
768, Nike-Hercules SAM
769, HAWK SAM
770, HAWK I SAM
771, M48 Chaparral SPSAM
772, Patriot SPSAM
773, Patriot (improved) SPSAM
774, Avenger SPSAM
775, M2 Linebacker SPSAM
776, Mistral MPSAM
777, SA-7 MPSAM
778, SA-14/16 MPSAM
779, Blowpipe MPSAM
780, Javelin SPSAM
781, Starstreak MPSAM
782, Redeye MPSAM
783, Stinger MPSAM
784, Stinger (improved) MPSAM
785, Light Armored Car (early)
786, Light Scout Car
787, Jeep
788, Jeep AT+
789, Medium Scout Car
790, Medium Amph. Scout Car
791, Wheeled MMG Scout
792, Wheeled HMG Scout
793, Wheeled AGL Scout
794, Wheeled 20mm Scout
795, Tracked MMG Scout
796, Tracked HMG Scout
797, Tracked 20mm Scout
798, Tracked AGL Scout
799, Pandur ARSV
800, Minerva Armoured Car
801, Mors Armoured Car
802, EE-9 Cascavel 37mm
803, EE-9 Cascavel 90mm
804, BRM-23
805, Cougar WFSV
806, LAV Recon
807, AMC-29
808, Panhard-178
809, FCM-36
810, AMR-33/35
811, EBR-75
812, EBR-90
813, ERC-60
814, AML H90
815, AML HE60
816, Panhard M3 APC
817, AMX-10RC
818, ERC-90
819, TPK 4. 20VBL
820, VBC-90
821, VBL Scout
822, SdKfz 231-6
823, SdKfz 222
824, SdKfz 221
825, SdKfz 231-8
826, SdKfz 233
827, SdKfz 234/2
828, SdKfz 234/1
829, SdKfz 234/3
830, SdKfz 234/4
831, Luchs
832, Wiesel 20mm
833, Carro Veloce L3/35
834, Autoblindata 41
835, Carro Veloce L6/40
836, 39M Csaba
837, Type 87 Recon
838, M113 Lynx C&R/25mm
839, wz. 29 Armored Car
840, wz. 34 Armored Car
841, Ratel 90 FSV
842, Rooikat
843, A-Putilov Armored Car
844, BA-3/ Armored Car
845, BA-10 Armored Car
846, BA-20 Armored Car
847, BA-64 Armored Car
848, BTR-40 Armored Car
849, PT-76 Light Amph.
850, BRDM-1 Scout
851, BRDM-2 Scout
852, BRM
853, BRM-2
854, BRM-3
855, VEC Scout
856, Carden-Loyd Mk VI
857, Morris Armored Car
858, Daimler Dingo Scout
859, Scout Carrier
860, Marmon-Herrington (early)
861, Number III
862, Marmon-Herrington IV
863, AEC Armored Car
864, Humber Scout
865, Daimler II
866, Staghound
867, Ferret Scout
868, Salladin
869, Ferret
870, Scorpion
871, Fox
872, Scorpio-90
873, Scimitar Scout
874, Saber
875, M3A1 Scout Car
876, M8 Greyhound
877, M20 Armoured Car
878, T8 Reconnaissance
879, M113 Reconnaissance
880, M113 Lynx C&R/HMG
881, M114
882, M3 Bradley CFV
883, M3 Bradley (improved) CFV
884, Wagon
885, Fast Wagon
886, Truck
887, Light Armored Truck
888, Medium Armored Truck
889, Armored Truck AGL
890, Halftrack
891, Amph. Ferry
892, Wheeled Amph. Transport
893, Tracked Amph. Transport
894, Tracked Bridge Carrier
895, Tracked Earth Mover
896, Armored Engineer Vehicle
897, Centurion AVRE'
898, Chieftain AVRE
899, M728 VEV
900, Wheeled Tractor
901, Tracked Tractor
902, Wheeled MG APC
903, Wheeled HMG APC
904, Wheeled AGL APC
905, Wheeled 20mm APC
906, Wheeled 30mm APC
907, Tracked MG APC
908, Tracked HMG APC
909, Tracked AGL APC
910, Tracked 20mm APC
911, Tracked 30mm APC
912, VCTP IFV
913, S-4K4FA-G1 MICV
914, S-4K4FA-G2 MICV
915, S-4K7F MICV
916, Pandur APC
917, EE-11 Urutu APC
918, EE-11 Urutu 25mm APC
919, BMP-23 ICV
920, BMP-30 ICV
921, Grizzly APC
922, LAV-25 APC
923, Type 77 APC
924, YW 531 APC
925, YW 309 ICV
926, WZ 501 IFV
927, WZ 523 APC
928, WZ 551 APC
929, WZ 501 IFV
930, OT-810 APC
931, OT-62B APC
932, OT62C APC
933, OT-64 APC
934, OT-64 HMG APC
935, OT-90
936, BVP-2 ICV
937, Walid APC
938, Fahd APC
939, Fahd 30 APC
940, Tracteur WE
941, Tracteur Blinde 37L
942, Lorraine 38L
943, AMX VCI ICV
944, AMX-10P ICV
945, VXB-170 APC
946, VAB APC
947, VAB IFV
948, SdKfz 251/1
949, Marder I ICV
950, Marder I (improved) ICV
951, IAFV IFV
952, VCC-80 IFV
953, Puma APC
954, Type SW 60 APC
955, Type 73 APC
956, Type 89 MICV
957, VP-408
958, VPR 765
959, M-1973 APC
960, NM 135
961, BWP ICV
962, TAB-71 APC
963, TAB-77 APC
964, MLVM Mountain IFV
965, Ratel 60 IFV
966, Ratel 20 IFV
967, Caspir APC
968, Daewoo IFV
969, BTR-152 APC
970, BTR-152K APC
971, BTR-50
972, BTR-50PK
973, BTR-60P APC
974, BTR-60PA APC
975, BTR-60PB APC
976, BTR-70 APC
977, BTR-80 APC
978, BTR-80A APC
979, BMP-1 ICV
980, BMP-1P ICV
981, BMP-2 ICV
982, BMP-3 ICV
983, BMD-1
984, BMD-1P
985, BMD-2
986, BMD-3
987, MT-LB
988, BMR-600 IFV
989, ASCON MICV
990, Bv 202/206 APC
991, CV 9030 ICV
992, CV 9040 ICV
993, FMC/NWROL IFV
994, Tracked Carrier
995, Saracen APC
996, FV432
997, Saxon APC
998, Spartan APC
999, Stormer APC
1000, Warrior MCV
1001, Warrior MCV - Milan
1002, Warrior MCV - TOW
1003, LVT Amph. APC
1004, M59 APC
1005, M75 APC
1006, LVTP5 AAAV
1007, LVTP7 AAAV
1008, LVTP7-WWS AAAV
1009, M113 APC
1010, AIFV
1011, M2 Bradley IFV
1012, M2 Bradley (improved) IFV
1013, M-60P APC
1014, M-80 ICV
1015, M-80 (improved) ICV
1016, Bov-VP APC
1017, Truck 2pnd SPAT Gun
1018, Truck47mm SPAT Gun
1019, Wheeled 90mm SPAT Gun
1020, Tracked 90mm SPAT Gun
1021, Tracked 105mm SPAT
1022, EE-11 Urutu 60mm
1023, EE-11 Urutu 90mm
1024, Bernadini X1A
1025, LAV ITOW
1026, LAV 90mm SP Gun
1027, Type 62 Light Tank
1028, Type 63 Light Amph. Tank
1029, AMX-10 90mm SP Gun
1030, SdKfz 251/9
1031, SdKfz 251/10
1032, Pak40 auf 38h(f)
1033, SdKfz 135
1034, SdKfz 251/22
1035, Type 60 106mm Recoilless
1036, M-1985 Light Amph. Tank
1037, ZIS-30 SPAT Gun
1038, ASW-57 SP Gun
1039, ASW-85 SP Gun
1040, PBV 302 APC
1041, M24 75 Chaffee
1042, M24 90mm Light Tank
1043, Jeep 106mm Recoilless
1044, Halftrack 75mm SPAT
1045, Halftrack 90mm SPAT
1046, M50 Ontos SPMRR
1047, M-60PB Dual 82mm RR
1048, Truck TOW SPATGM
1049, TOW (improved) SPATGM
1050, Truck Milan SPATGM
1051, Truck HOT SPATGM
1052, Armored Truck TOW SPATGM
1053, Armored Truck ITOW SPATGM
1054, Wheeled TOW SPATGM
1055, Wheeled Milan SPATGM
1056, Wheeled SS-11 SPATGM
1057, Wheeled HOT SPATGM
1058, Tracked TPW SPATGM
1059, Tracked Milan SPATGM
1060, Tracked SS-11 SPATGM
1061, Tracked HOT SPATGM
1062, LAV HOT SPATGM
1063, Type 531 Red Arrow ATGM
1064, WZ 551 Red Arrow ATGM
1065, AMX VCI SS-11 SPATGM
1066, AMX VCI TOW SPATGM
1067, AMX VCI Milan SPATGM
1068, VAB Hot
1069, VAB MILAN
1070, VBL MILAM SPATGM
1071, Wiesel TOW
1072, IAFV ITV
1073, Type su 60 SPATGM
1074, VPR 765 TOW SPATGM
1075, NM 142
1076, Ratel AT
1077, Daewoo TOW SPATGM
1078, BDRM-1 Snapper SPATGM
1079, BDRM-1 Sagger SPATGM
1080, BDRM-1 Swatter SPATGM
1081, BDRM-2 Sagger SPATGM
1082, BDRM-2 Spandrel SPATGM
1083, BDRM-2 Swatter SPATGM
1084, MTLB AT-6 SPATGM
1085, FMC/NUROL TOW SPATGM
1086, Hornet Malkara SPATGM
1087, Spartan Milan SPATGM
1088, Ferret Swingfire SPATGM
1089, FV438 SPATGM
1090, Striker SPATGM
1091, M150
1092, M901 ITOW SPATGM
1093, here start tanks!!!!
1094, Light MG Tank
1095, Light Tank
1096, TAM Tank
1097, SK 105 K├╗rassier
1098, SK105A2 K├╝rassier
1099, T-13 Tank
1100, T-15 Tank
1101, Type 59 Tank
1102, Type 59-II Tank
1103, Type 69 Tank
1104, Type 79 Tank
1105, Type 80 Tank
1106, Type 85-II Tank
1107, Type 90-II Tank
1108, LT-34 Tank
1109, LT-35 Tank
1110, LT-38 Tank
1111, Ramses II
1112, BT-42
1113, Char d┬┤Assaut Schneider
1114, Char d┬┤Assaut St. Chamond
1115, FT-17/MG
1116, FT-17/37
1117, Char Lourd 2C
1118, Char dc M-35/38
1119, Char dc S-35
1120, Char Moyen D2
1121, Char l├ęger 35R
1122, Char B1 bis
1123, Char ARL-44
1124, AMX 13-75
1125, AMX 13-90
1126, AMX 13-SS-11
1127, AMX 13-105
1128, AMX 30
1129, AMX 30B2
1130, Leclerc
1131, StPzw A7V
1132, PzKpfw 38t
1133, PzKpfw 35t
1134, PzKpfw I
1135, PzKpfw IIB
1136, PzKpfw IIF
1137, PzKpfw IIL
1138, PzKpfw II (flame)
1139, PzKpfw IIID
1140, PzKpfw IIIE
1141, PzKpfw IIIF
1142, PzKpfw IIIG
1143, PzKpfw IIIH
1144, PzKpfw IIIJ
1145, PzKpfw IIIL
1146, PzKpfw IIIN
1147, PzKpfw III (flame)
1148, PzKpfw IVA
1149, PzKpfw IVD
1150, PzKpfw IVE
1151, PzKpfw F1
1152, PzKpfw F2
1153, PzKpfw IVH
1154, PzKpfw V Panther
1155, PzKpfw VIE Tiger I
1156, PzKpfw VIB Tiger II
1157, Maus
1158, Gesch├╝tzwagen I
1159, Gesch├╝tzwagen II
1160, Gesch├╝tzwagen 38
1161, Sturmgesch├╝tz III41
1162, Sturmgesch├╝tz III42
1163, Sturmhaubitze 42
1164, Sturmgesch├╝ttz IV
1165, StPz IV Brummb├Ąr
1166, Sturmm├Ârser Tiger
1167, Panzerj├Ąger I
1168, Marder I
1169, Marder II/III
1170, Elephant
1171, Nashorn
1172, Jagdpanther
1173, Jagdpanzer IV
1174, Jagdpanzer IV/70
1175, Jagdtiger
1176, Leopard I (early)
1177, Leopard I
1178, Leopard I (late)
1179, Jagdpanzer Kanone
1180, Jagdpanzer Rakete
1181, Jagdpanzer Jaguar 1
1182, Jagdpanzer Jaguar 2
1183, Leopard II
1184, Leopard II (improved)
1185, 38M Toldi I
1186, 40M Turán I
1187, 38M Toldi IIa
1188, 40M Turán II
1189, 40M Nimr├│d
1190, 40/43M Zrinyi II
1191, Arjun 1 Tank
1192, M50 Sherman
1193, M51 Sherman
1194, Ti-67
1195, Merkava I
1196, Merkava II
1197, Merkava III
1198, Tipo 3000 M21
1199, Tipo 3000 M30
1200, M11/39
1201, M13/40
1202, M14/41
1203, Ariete
1204, Ariete II
1205, OF40
1206, Centauro B1
1207, Type 92 Tankette
1208, Type 94 Tankette
1209, Type 97 Tankette
1210, Type 89 I-Go
1211, Type 95 Tank
1212, Type 97/57 Tank
1213, Ka-Mi Tank
1214, Type 97/47 Tank
1215, Type 97/75 Tank
1216, Type 61Tank
1217, Type 74 Tank
1218, Type 90 Tank
1219, Khalid
1220, TK
1221, TKS
1222, Vickers 6 ton
1223, 7TPdw
1224, 7TPjw
1225, PT 91
1226, TACAM T-60
1227, TACAM R-2
1228, TM-800
1229, TR-85
1230, TR-125
1231, Type 88 Tank
1232, Type 88 Tank (improved)
1233, T-26
1234, T-26 (flame)
1235, T-27
1236, T-28 (early)
1237, T-28 (late)
1238, T-37
1239, T-40
1240, T-60
1241, T-70
1242, BT-5
1243, BT-7
1244, BT-7A
1245, OT-7
1246, T-35
1247, Su-5/76
1248, KV-I
1249, KV-I (late)
1250, KV-II
1251, KV-85
1252, T-34/76 (early)
1253, T-34/76 (flame)
1254, T-34/76 (late)
1255, T-34/85
1256, SU-57
1257, SU-76
1258, SU-85
1259, SU-100
1260, SU-100 (late)
1261, SU-122
1262, SU-152
1263, ISU-122
1264, ISU-152
1265, IS-II
1266, IS-III
1267, T-44
1268, T-54
1269, T-54A
1270, T-55
1271, T-55 (improved)
1272, T-55 (late)
1273, T-55 (improved export)
1274, TO-55 Flame
1275, IT-122
1276, T-10
1277, T-10M
1278, T-62 Flame
1279, T-62 (early)
1280, T-62 (improved)
1281, T-62 (late)
1282, T-64
1283, T-64 (improved)
1284, T-72
1285, T-72 (improved)
1286, T-72 (late)
1287, T-72S
1288, T-80
1289, T-90
1290, Strv m/31
1291, Strv m/37
1292, Strv m/40/41
1293, Strv m/42
1294, Sav m/43
1295, Infanterikanonvagn 91
1296, Infanterikanonvagn-91/105
1297, Stridsvagn 103
1298, Stridsvagn 103 (improved)
1299, Pz39
1300, Pz 61
1301, Pz 68
1302, Pz 68/88
1303, T-84
1304, Mk I,II Tank (female)
1305, Mk I,II Tank (male)
1306, Mk III Tank (female)
1307, Mk III Tank (male)
1308, Mk IV Tank (female)
1309, Mk IV Tank (male)
1310, Mk-A Medium Tank
1311, Mk V Tank (female)
1312, Mk V Tank (male)
1313, Mk-VI Light Tank
1314, Matilda I
1315, A-9 Cruiser
1316, A-9 CS
1317, Mk VII Tetrach
1318, A-13 Cruiser
1319, A-13 CS
1320, Churchill (early)
1321, Matilda II CS
1322, Matilda II
1323, Churchill
1324, Crusader
1325, Crusader II
1326, Valentine (early)
1327, Crusader CS
1328, Crusader III
1329, Churchill (late)
1330, Churchill CS
1331, Churchill AVRE
1332, Churchill AVRE
1333, Valentine
1334, Achilles
1335, Centaur IV
1336, Challenger
1337, Churchill Croc
1338, Cromwell (early)
1339, Cromwell
1340, Cromwell CS
1341, Crusader AA
1342, M4 Firefly
1343, Valentine (late)
1344, Comet
1345, Archer
1346, Centurion Mk I
1347, Centurion Mk III
1348, Centurion (late)
1349, Conquerer
1350, Charioteer
1351, Vickers Mk 1
1352, Vickers Mk 3
1353, Chieftain
1354, Chieftain (improved)
1355, Challenger I
1356, Challenger I (improved)
1357, Challenger II
1358, Mk VIII Liberty Tank
1359, M2A1 Medium Tank
1360, M3 Stuart
1361, M10 GMC Wolverine
1362, M3 Lee/Grant
1363, M4/75 Sherman
1364, M5 Stuart
1365, LVT (A) H
1366, LVT (A)
1367, M22 Locust
1368, M4 Sherman (flame)
1369, M8 HMC
1370, M18 GMC Hellcat
1371, M24 Chaffee
1372, M36 GMC Jackson
1373, M3A1 Stuart (flame)
1374, M4 Sherman Jumbo/75
1375, M4 Sherman Jumbo/76
1376, M4/76 Sherman
1377, M4/105 Sherman
1378, M26 Pershing
1379, M45 Pershing
1380, M46 Patton
1381, M41 Walker Bulldog
1382, M41/90
1383, M47 Patton II
1384, M48 Patton III
1385, M48 Patton III (improved)
1386, M56 Scorpion
1387, M67 Flame
1388, M103 Heavy Tank
1389, M60
1390, M601A
1391, M601A (improved)
1392, M601A2
1393, M601A3
1394, M551 Sheridan
1395, M1
1396, M1 (improved)
1397, M1A1
1398, M1A2
1399, Stingray
1400, M-84
1401, Destroyer (early)
1402, Destroyer
1403, Cruiser (early)
1404, Light Cruiser
1405, Missile Frigate
1406, Heavy Cruiser
1407, Battleship (early)
1408, Battlecruiser
1409, Battleship
1410, Cargoship
1411, Cargoship
1412, RL Ship
1413, Submarine
1414, Submarine
1415, Escort Aicraft Carrier
1416, Aicraft Carrier
1417, Modern Aircraft Carrier
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1419, River Gun Boat
1420, River Monitor
1421, River Transport
1422, Light Recce HH
1423, Light Transport HH
1424, Medium Transport HH
1425, Heavy Transport HH
1426, Light Attack HH
1427, Medium Attack HH
1428, Advanced Attack HH
1429, AS-350 Ecureuil
1430, AS-355 Ecureuil 2
1431, AS-565 Panther
1432, SA-315 Lama
1433, SA-318 Alouette II
1434, SA-316 Alouette III
1435, SA-319 Alouette III
1436, SA-341 Gazelle
1437, SA-432 Gazelle
1438, Eurocopter Tiger
1439, SA-342 Gazela
1440, Bo-105
1441, A-109 Hirundo
1442, AB-412 Griffon AT
1443, A-129 Mangusta
1444, CSH-2 Rooiwalk
1445, Mi-24 Hind
1446, Mi-25 Hind
1447, Mi-35 Hind
1448, Mi-28 Havoc
1449, Ka-50 Hokum
1450, Scout
1451, Lynx AH
1452, AH-1 Cobra
1453, AH-1 Cobra (improved)
1454, Hughes 500 Defender
1455, OH-58 Kiowa
1456, OH-58 Kiowa Warrior
1457, AH-64 Apache
1458, AUH-76
1459, S-70 Gunship
1460, Bell 406CS
1461, Here starts fixed wing aircraft
1462, Monoplane fighter (primitive)
1463, Monoplane Fighter (early)
1464, Biplane Fighter (primitive)'
1465, Biplane Fighter (early)
1466, Biplane Fighter
1467, Biplane Fighter (late)
1468, Biplane Bomber (early)
1469, Biplane Bomber
1470, Biplane Bomber (late)
1471, Biplane Heavy Bomber (early)
1472, Biplane Heavy Bomber
1473, Biplane Heavy Bomber (late)
1474, Monoplane Bomber (primitive)
1475, Monoplane Bomber (early)
1476, Monoplane Heavy Bomber (early)
1477, Monoplane Heavy Bomber
1478, Light Strike Fighter
1479, IA-58 Pucara
1480, IA-63 Pampa
1481, C-12 Boomerang
1482, Hansa-Brandenburg B.I.
1483, Aviatik B.I.
1484, Ph├Ânix D.I.
1485, Embraer AMX
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1487, J5
1488, J6
1489, J7
1490, J8
1491, J8-II
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1493, H6
1494, Q5
1495, Avia B-534
1496, L29 Delfin
1497, L39 Albatros
1498, L59
1499, Myrsky II
1500, Breguet AG 4
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1502, Breguet Br. 14
1503, Henri Farman HF.20
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1506, Morane-Saulnier A1
1507, Morane-Saulnier P
1508, Voisin 3
1509, Voisin 4/5/6/8
1510, Caudron G. 4/6
1511, Caudron R.11
1512, Nieuport 11
1513, Nieuport 12
1514, Nieuport 17
1515, Nieuport 24
1516, Nieuport 27
1517, Nieuport 28
1518, Spad A.2
1519, Spad S. VII
1520, Spad S. XI
1521, Spad S. XIII
1522, Hanriot WD. 1
1523, Paul Schmitt 7
1524, Salmson 2
1525, D. 500/510
1526, Amiot 143
1527, Bloch 210
1528, Farman 222
1529, Bloch 152
1530, Breguet 691
1531, Caudron C714
1532, Hanriot NC 600
1533, LeO 451
1534, Amiot 354
1535, D. 520
1536, VG-33
1537, Ouragan
1538, Myst├ęre IV
1539, Vautour II
1540, Magister
1541, Super Mystere
1542, Alize
1543, Etandard IV
1544, Mirage III
1545, Mirage IV
1546, Mirage V
1547, Mirage 50
1548, Alpha Jet
1549, Mirage F1
1550, Super Etandard
1551, Mirage 2000
1552, Mirage 2000N
1553, Mirage 4000
1554, Rafale
1555, Friedrichshafen GI/II
1556, Friedrichshafen GIII
1557, Albatros C. I
1558, Albatros C.III
1559, Albatros D. II
1560, Albatros D. V
1561, Fokker E. III/IV
1562, Fokker D. III
1563, Fokker Dr I
1564, Fokker B. VII
1565, Fokker D. VIII
1566, Siemens-Schuckert RI
1567, Siemens-Schuckert D.III
1568, Siemens-Schuckert D. IV
1569, AEG C. IV
1570, Aviatik C. II
1571, BFW C. V/VI
1572, Halberstadt D. II/III
1573, Halberstadt CL. II
1574, Roland C. II
1575, Gotha G. IV/V
1576, Pfalz Dr. I
1577, Pfalz D. III
1578, Pfalz D. XII
1579, Zeppelinj Staaken R. VI
1580, Junkers CL. I
1581, Junkers D. I
1582, Roland D. VI
1583, HE-51
1584, HS-123
1585, Ju-86
1586, Me-109 (early)
1587, Me-109E/F
1588, Me-109 (late)
1589, He-112
1590, Ju-87 (early)
1591, Ju-87 (late)
1592, Do-17
1593, He-111
1594, Ju-88 (early)
1595, Ju-88 (late)
1596, Me-110
1597, Me-110G
1598, Do-217
1599, Do-217 J/N
1600, FW-190 (early)
1601, FW-190 (late)
1602, He-177
1603, He-129
1604, He-219
1605, Me-410
1606, Ar-234
1607, Do-355
1608, Ju-88G
1609, Me-163
1610, Me-262
1611, He-162
1612, Ta-152
1613, Kiran
1614, Marut I
1615, Kfir
1616, Caproni Ca.30
1617, Caproni Ca.32
1618, Caproni Ca.40
1619, Caproni Ca.42
1620, Caproni Ca. 46
1621, Ansaldo A. 1
1622, Ansaldo S.V.A.5
1623, CR-20
1624, Ba 65
1625, CR-32
1626, SM. 81
1627, BR. 20
1628, SM. 79
1629, Ba 88
1630, Z. 1007bis
1631, CR-42 Falco
1632, CR-42N Falco
1633, G. 50 Freccia
1634, M.C. 200 Saetta
1635, Re. 2000
1636, M.C. 202 Folgore
1637, Re. 2001
1638, SM. 84
1639, P. 108
1640, G. 55 Centauro
1641, M.C. 205 Veltro
1642, Re. 2002
1643, Re. 2005 Sagittario
1644, SM. 79 III
1645, X. 1018
1646, G 82
1647, MB-326
1648, G 91
1649, MD-339
1650, S211
1651, Ki-10
1652, G3M
1653, Ki-32
1654, A5M
1655, Ki-27
1656, A6M Reisen (early)
1657, B5N
1658, D3A
1659, Ki-43 I Hayabusa
1660, Ki-51
1661, G4M
1662, Ki-21
1663, Ki-43 II Hayabusa
1664, Ki-45 Toryo
1665, Ki-48
1666, Ki-49 Donryo
1667, B6N Tenzan
1668, D4Y Suisei
1669, J2M Raiden
1670, Ki-44 Shoki
1671, Ki-61 Hien
1672, Ki-84 Hayate
1673, N1K Shiden
1674, Ki-67 Hiryu
1675, A6M Reisen (late)
1676, B7A Ryusei
1677, Ki-100
1678, Ki-102
1679, P1Y Ginga
1680, Mitsubishi F1
1681, Fokker D XXI
1682, Fokker G 1A
1683, Fokker D XXIII
1684, PZL P.7/11
1685, PZL P.24
1686, PZL P.23
1687, PZL P.37
1688, IAR 80
1689, IAR 93 Orac
1690, IAR-99 Soim
1691, IAR-109 Soim
1692, Cheetah
1693, Ilya Mourometz V
1694, Ilya Mourometz E
1695, I-5
1696, I-15
1697, I-16
1698, I-17
1699, TB-3
1700, SB-2
1701, Pe-8
1702, II-4
1703, II-2
1704, II-10
1705, II-28 Beagle
1706, LaGG-3
1707, La-5FN
1708, La-7
1709, La-15 Fantail
1710, Mig-1
1711, Mig-3
1712, Mig-5
1713, Mig-9 Fargo
1714, Mig-15 Fagot
1715, Mig-17 Fresco (early)
1716, Mig-17 Fresco
1717, Mig-19 Farmer (early)
1718, Mig-19 Farmer
1719, Mig-21 Fishbed (early)
1720, Mig-21 Fishbed
1721, Mig-23 Flogger
1722, Mig-25 Foxbat
1723, Mig-27 Flogger D
1724, Mig-29 Fulcrum
1725, Mig-31 Foxhound
1726, Mya-4 Bison
1727, Pe-2
1728, Su-2
1729, Su-7 Fitter
1730, Su-9 Fishpot
1731, Su-11 Fishpot
1732, Su-15 Flagon
1733, Su-17 Fitter
1734, Su-19 Fencer
1735, Su-20 Fitter (export)
1736, Su-22
1737, Su-24
1738, Su-25 Frogfoot
1739, Su-27 Flanker
1740, Su-30 Flanker
1741, Su-34 Flanker
1742, Su-35 Flanker
1743, Tu-2
1744, Tu-14 Bosun
1745, Tu-16 Badger
1746, Tu-20/95 Bear
1747, Tu 160 Blackjack
1748, Tu-22 Blinder
1749, Tu-22M/26 Backfire
1750, Tu-28 Fiddler
1751, Yak-1
1752, Yak-3
1753, Yak-4
1754, Yak-9
1755, Yak-15 Feather
1756, Yak-17 Feather
1757, Yak-23 Flora
1758, Yak-25 Flashlight
1759, Yak-28 Firebar
1760, Yak-38 Forger
1761, C101 AvioJet
1762, Saab 105 (early)
1763, Saab 105
1764, J29 Tunnan
1765, J32 Lansen
1766, J35 Draken
1767, J37 Viggen
1768, J39 Gripen
1769, P-16
1770, AT-3
1771, Ching Kuo
1772, Avro 504
1773, Martinsyde S. 1
1774, R.A.F B.E. 2
1775, R.A.F. B.E. 12
1776, R.A.F. F.E. 2
1777, R.A.F. S.E. 5
1778, Sopwith Tabloid
1779, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
1780, Sopwith Pup
1781, Sopwith F. 1 Camel
1782, Sopwith Triplane
1783, Sopwith 7F. 1 Snipe
1784, Sopwith Dolphin
1785, Bristol Bullet
1786, Bristol Scout
1787, Bristol F.2
1788, DeHavilland D.H. 2
1789, DeHavilland D.H. 4
1790, DeHavilland D.H. 5/6/9
1791, RAF F.E.8
1792, RAF R.E.7
1793, Vickers FB.5
1794, Vickers Vimy
1795, Handley-Page 0/100
1796, Handley-Page 0/400
1797, Handley-Page V/1500
1798, Short Bomber
1799, Armstrong-Whitworth FK
1800, Blackburn Kangaroo
1801, Bulldog
1802, Fury
1803, Demon
1804, Gauntlet
1805, Nimrod
1806, Swordfish
1807, Battle
1808, Blenheim
1809, Gladiator
1810, Hurricane
1811, Wellesley
1812, Hampden
1813, Skua
1814, Spitfire (early)
1815, Spitfire (late)
1816, Wellington
1817, Beaufort
1818, Whitley
1819, Albacore
1820, Beaufighter (early)
1821, Defiant
1822, Halifax
1823, Roc
1824, Stirling
1825, Whirlwind
1826, Typhoon
1827, Fulmar
1828, Lancaster (early)
1829, Lancaster (late)
1830, Seafire
1831, Mosquito
1832, Mosquito Mk. II
1833, Barracuda
1834, Firefly
1835, Beaufighter (late)
1836, Lincoln
1837, Tempest
1838, Brigand
1839, Hornet F3
1840, Meteor (early)
1841, Firebrand
1842, Attacker
1843, Sea Fury
1844, Vampire
1845, Sea Vampire
1846, Canberra
1847, Meteor (late)
1848, Wyvern
1849, Hawk 1
1850, Hawk 100
1851, Hawk 200
1852, Sea Hawk
1853, Venom
1854, Sea Venom
1855, Valiant
1856, Hunter
1857, Vulcan (early)
1858, Vulcan
1859, Gannet
1860, Javelin
1861, Sea Vixen
1862, Scimitar
1863, Buccaneer
1864, Victor
1865, Lightning
1866, Strikemaster
1867, Harrier II
1868, Sea Harrier II
1869, Jaguar
1870, Tornado IDS
1871, Tornado ADV
1872, TBD Devastator
1873, TBF Avenger
1874, SBD Dauntless
1875, SB2C Helldiver
1876, Baltimore
1877, Boston
1878, A-17
1879, A-20 Havoc
1880, A-26 Invader
1881, A-27
1882, A-35 Vengance
1883, AC-47 Gunship
1884, AC-119 Gunship
1885, AC-130 Gunship
1886, AD/A-1 Skyraider
1887, A-3 Skywarrior
1888, A-4 Skyhawk
1889, A-5 Vigilante
1890, A-6 Intruder
1891, A-7 Corsair
1892, A-10 Thunderbolt II
1893, A-37 Dragonfly
1894, B-10
1895, B-17 (early)
1896, B-17 (late)
1897, B-18
1898, B-24 (early)
1899, B-24 (late)
1900, B-25 Mitchell (early)
1901, B-25 Mitchell (late)
1902, B-26 Marauder (early)
1903, B-26 Marauder (late)
1904, B-29 Superfortress
1905, B-36 Peacemaker
1906, B-47 Stratojet
1907, B-50 Superfortress
1908, B-52 Stratofortress
1909, B-52 Stratofortress (late)
1910, B-58 Hustler
1911, B-1B Lancer
1912, B-2 Spirit
1913, P-6
1914, P-26
1915, P-35
1916, P-36 Mohawk
1917, Hawk 75/ Mohawk II
1918, P-38 Lightning (early)
1919, P-38 Lightning (late)
1920, P-39 Aircobra
1921, P-40 (early)
1922, P-40 (late)
1923, P-40 Warhawk (late)
1924, P-47 Thunderbolt (early)
1925, P-47 Thunderbolt (late)
1926, P-51 Mustang (early)
1927, P-51 Mustang (late)
1928, P-61 Black Widow
1929, P-63 Kingcobra
1930, F4F Wildcat
1931, F2A Buffalo
1932, F4W Corsair
1933, F6F Hellcat
1934, Fireball
1935, F8F Bearcat
1936, F9F-2 Panther
1937, FW-1 Phantom
1938, F-80 Shooting Star
1939, F-82 Twin Mustang
1940, F-84 Thunderjet
1941, F-84 Thunderstreak
1942, F-86 Sabre
1943, F-86 Sabre (improved)
1944, F-94 Starfire
1945, F4J Fury
1946, F3D Skynight
1947, F7U Cutlass
1948, F-89 Scorpion
1949, F2H Banshee
1950, F9F-8 Cougar
1951, F4D Skyray
1952, F3H Demon
1953, F100 Super Sabre
1954, F-101A Voodoo
1955, F-101B Voodoo
1956, F-102 Delta Dagger
1957, F-104 Starfighter
1958, F-104 Starfighter (late)
1959, F-11 Tiger
1960, FR-8 Crusader
1961, F-105 Thunderchief
1962, F-106 Delta Dart
1963, F-111
1964, F-111 Aardvark (late)
1965, F-4 Phantom II (early)
1966, F-4 Phantom II (naval)
1967, F-4 Phantom II
1968, F-4 Phantom II (naval)
1969, F-5
1970, F-14 Tomcat
1971, F-15 Eagle
1972, F-15E Strike Eagle
1973, F-16 Falcon
1974, F-16 Falcon (late)
1975, F-18 Hornet
1976, F-117 Nighthhawk
1977, F-22 Raptor
1978, IK-2
1979, G-2 Galeb
1980, G-4 Super Galeb
1981, J1 Jastreb
1982, C-47




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/21/2011 9:08:34 AM)

Well it seems we have a clear winner which is a Science-Fiction (Star Wars/Dune) Mod.
I am positively impressed by the number of votes cast. Good to see that there is some interest to further this idea and see where it is heading. I am sure the other options will also see some great mod at some point in time.
Being a great Sci-Fi fan myself I am looking forward to see how we continue. The most interesting question now from my perspective is to detail the idea out a bit more. The first and most deep decision is likely whether this should be a multi-player human only mod or a mod to play against the AI. I think both sides have good merit however we will likely need to focus on one alternative. Or put differently: Including some features and some designs would exclude an AI playability.
The additional question is what specific setting do we want? A "Dune" mod could be concentrated on Arrakis with several faction fighting for control. There also is a great boardgame on this subject. Or it could be a larger setting with several planets like the Jihad which Paul starts iirc in book 2.
For Star Wars also several options come to mind. A large galaxy setting (maybe including a political dimension). Or an invasion of Hoth. Or some potential planetary invasion.

Please post your suggestions!




Vic -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/21/2011 10:19:09 AM)

If you guys will go for an AI capable scenario I will provide feedback and coaching about what to do and what not to do to make it work best. Basically to make an SF scenario work with the AI the most important thing is that you should go for land only map with land hexes that resemble space ( so not using sea for space and land for planets).




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/21/2011 1:18:22 PM)

After having thought about this somewhat more is my suggestion for a Dune mod:
Setup is semi-cooperative: All human players are allied and play on the Atreides/Fremen side (with several Fremen tribes maybe). Then there is the Harkommen/Imperator side who can be AI-controlled and is fighting all the players. The map is Arrakis (no need for a navy which makes things easier for the AI) with a lot of desert, some spice hexes, some urban hexes etc. Spice is maybe shifting around and you have to move your Ornithopters and sandworms to harvest it. The Fremen might cultivate the desert maybe...
The catch may be that if the Fremen/Atreides side wins then there will also be determined an inidividual winner so there is some competition. Or any player on that side may after all declare their allegiange to the Imperator (maybe they get to marry Irulan?) and switch sides so there is some tension? And maybe there are also some neutral regimes (Guild, Bene Gesserit, Landsraad) whose allegiance can be bought?
And if players want to solo play they can then play all the regimes on the Atreides/Fremen side against the AI (without the traitor element) ...




SSFSX17 -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/21/2011 8:06:58 PM)

I don't know much about events scripting or graphics, but I would love to help with all the other details.

These are all quick suggestions which I did not think too hard about:

Moving spice fields: The AI is unlikely to be able to handle it. This assumes that moving spice fields would work by an event checking for units that are on top of spice fields, and then adding spice to the players appropriately. On the other hand, perhaps they could work in a cycle like this:
- Stage 1: Spice Bloom: Randomly appears on the map. Requires a Spice Harvester to "build" the next stage.
- Stage 2: Spice Field: Unrealistically, this will keep on producing, even if a Spice Harvester is not on it. Once built, there is a chance every round to transform to the next stage.
- Stage 3: Exhausted: Provides less spice, eventually runs out and turns back into normal terrain.
For this cycle to work, there would have to be no engineering except for that which is done by Spice Harvesters - either that, or simply making Spice Harvesters the only engineering-type unit that can move onto spice blooms.

Strategic Resources:
- Spice (required to build PPs? Definitely required to build other kinds of advanced units.)
- Water (the main resource for moving and attacking, effectively replacing Oil?)
- Manpower
- Nobles (unless the AI cannot handle the idea that it is only able to produce a certain number of Staff. Alternatively, Sardaukar Officers may not consume any nobles at all.)

SFType Categories (for damage & favorite target purposes):
- Nobles / Special Characters
- Infantry
- Vehicles
- Air
- Drones
- Sandworms

Atomics: They probably shouldn't be in the game, unless the AI can handle suicide nuke-type units. Alternatively, the AI may get helper events such as "Used a Stone-Burner to burn out Paul Atreides' eyes" or "Destroyed the Shield Wall"

Bene Gesserit: Their main goal is to have Paul Atreides completely under their control, or to kill him and thus be able to work on the much-more-pliable Alia. Making a pact with them can be useful for increasing the Morale of those People types who are susceptible to the social-cultural engineering programmes. Their SFTypes are most effective against Nobles and Infantry.

Bene Tleilaxu: Their main goal is to determine how to artificially-produce spice. For gameplay purposes, this means that making a pact with them results in the complete destruction of spice fields or having to donate sandworms to them. This also greatly worsens relations with all Fremen.

Drones: Very "glass-cannon" units, if a noble attacks a drone first then he can just snatch it out of the air with his bare hands. But, if a drone can get the drop on a noble, it will absolutely kill him.

IX: Their forbidden thinking machines can act as excellent Staff and provide great combat effectiveness, thus letting you put more forces on the front compared to relying entirely on nobles and mentats. However, making a pact with IX will probably cause all AI-controlled factions to immediately declare war on you.

Lasguns: Since they cause a nuclear explosion when they shoot shields, any SFTypes wielding them would definitely be suicide units.

Mentats: Probably classified as "nobles," they can provide combat effectiveness but not morale. If you want your troops to fight to the death, only real nobles / special characters will do the job.

Sandworms: They provide Landcap, and are much more efficient than any vehicle. They also make excellent mobilizers across sand, and provide some cover to infantry. Last but not least, they move very quickly through sand and are excellent in combat at sand.




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/22/2011 12:28:59 PM)

Thanks for the suggestions SSFSX17, sounds good and implementable. This is supposed to be a community project so everybody can join and make suggestions or take over part of the development work. I think it would be great to hear some more suggestions and then begin to sort things out.
So this thread is open to further suggestions ...




Bombur -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/22/2011 2:05:48 PM)

Hi guys, I must read something about Dune, so I would be able to help with the project...




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/23/2011 9:40:49 PM)

@Bombur: Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Dune-40th-Anniversary-Chronicles-Book/dp/0441013597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306183054&sr=8-1
For a quick summary try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_%28novel%29
The book can be highly recommended.

So ... as this is an attempt at a community project I think it might be kind of interesting to hear some more suggestions as to setup?





Ande -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/23/2011 11:08:38 PM)

Looking for an alternative Sci-Fi scenario?
Maybe an asymetric alien invasion game.
There could be several alien factions battling for a very sought after resource. There are also several factions of a technologically inferior species that is not at all interested in this resource but is only concerned with controlling as much native population as possible.

This way there would be two wars on top of eachother and it could result in some very interesting diplomatics.




mgaffn1 -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/24/2011 2:36:54 PM)

Imagine different peoplegroups fighting for completely different resources - not just oil and ore, but more...

people 1 needs oil to function,
people 2 need water and ore, but could care less about oil
people 3 needs electricity, but not oil, water, or ore...
you get the picture




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/24/2011 3:12:51 PM)

Good suggestions. I think some of them might be combined.
E.g. it could be a Dune setting with maybe the Fremen requiring Water urgently. The Atreides war equipment. The Harkonnens quality manpower. The Emperor spice. Etc.
Asymmetric Alien invasion game might also work in a Dune setting with the Fremen taking the roles of the natives all other trying to grab spice.

I think the most important decision might be if we want to work human-only or include AI and in which role...




SSFSX17 -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/24/2011 7:50:41 PM)

All Humans setup:
- House Corrino - gets Sardaukar, who are matched only by Fremen
- House Harkonnen - gets more PPs due to their deviousness and trickery
- House Atreides - excellent morale
- Fremen - gets more water, and their adult warriors are a match for Sardaukar

Co-op vs. AI setup:
- Jessica Atreides - main objective is to restore House Atreides and turn Dune into a water planet
- Paul Atreides - main objective is to become Emperor by marrying Princess Irulan
- Stilgar - main objective is to get all Fremen tribes into the allies

Also - if this is a democracy (which is not necessarily good for getting a community project done in a timely manner) then I would vote for a co-op vs. the AI setup. I have no opinion towards Dune or to an alien invasion scenario. In the case of the latter, using a Harry Turtledove type of situation would allow the re-use of existing Advanced Tactics data.




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/24/2011 9:34:45 PM)

Yes from my point of view this is a democratic community mod project. Main goal is to have fun for everybody who is participating.




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/29/2011 1:49:42 PM)

Ok so my suggestion to proceed is as follows: I will summarize what I understood from the suggestions into a joint conceptual text. Then everybody who wants to be in can add their view or edit the text and provide a new version and then we can see how things go from here.

Name of the Mod: ???
Setup: Dune
Map: Arrakis (no water hexes). Maybe with some offworld unconnected planets (Caladan, Giedi Prime, Salusa Secundus,...). Only land and air units are available, ships are represented by cards.
Mode: Semi-Cooperative. All human players play against the AI. There is potential benefit of backstabbing between the human players.
Regimes: 3 Human (e.g. Paul Atreides, Jessica Atreides, Fremen). 1 AI (Harkonnen/Emperor). Open: Can be played with 3 human players or 1 human player playing all three regimes (without backstabbing).
All regimes are set up to give a very different feel. E.g. get different bonuses, have different SFT, have different goals. Open: Should the evil faction be playable by a human player?
Features (to be discussed)
- Strategic resources. Players need to exchange them as they are scarce and not everybody will get each. Water, manpower, nobles, equipment.
- Spice (obviously). Harvest via moving spice fields
- Atomics
- Bene Gesserit (heir main goal is to have Paul Atreides completely under their control, or to kill him and thus be able to work on the much-more-pliable Alia. Making a pact with them can be useful for increasing the Morale of those People types who are susceptible to the social-cultural engineering programmes. Their SFTypes are most effective against Nobles and Infantry.)
- Bene Tleilaxu (heir main goal is to determine how to artificially-produce spice. For gameplay purposes, this means that making a pact with them results in the complete destruction of spice fields or having to donate sandworms to them. This also greatly worsens relations with all Fremen. )
- Drones (Very "glass-cannon" units vs nobles)
- IX (Their forbidden thinking machines can act as excellent Staff and provide great combat effectiveness, thus letting you put more forces on the front compared to relying entirely on nobles and mentats. However, making a pact with IX will probably cause all AI-controlled factions to immediately declare war on you. )
- Lasguns: Since they cause a nuclear explosion when they shoot shields, any SFTypes wielding them would definitely be suicide units.
- Mentats: Probably classified as "nobles," they can provide combat effectiveness but not morale. If you want your troops to fight to the death, only real nobles / special characters will do the job.
- Sandworms: They provide Landcap, and are much more efficient than any vehicle. They also make excellent mobilizers across sand, and provide some cover to infantry. Last but not least, they move very quickly through sand and are excellent in combat at sand.
- Fremen player can cultivate the desert.
- There will be a diplomatic system which measures what neutral factions are thinking of the human/AI faction. Maybe they also can give missions, rewards etc to the player or oppose them...
SFT:
- Nobles / Special Characters
- Infantry
- Vehicles
- Air
- Drones
- Sandworms
and more
Special Races:
- Sardaukar
- Fremen




Lunaticus -> RE: Community Mod Project (5/30/2011 9:54:37 PM)

Mmh. I hope there is some interest to collaborate? I forgot to mention how we might conutinue in case there is. Maybe we split up the work a bit:
One modder can take over map creation.
Another could detail the SFT.
Another could work on the graphics.
And another modder (or group) could work on regime setup and events.
Volunteers?




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