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Joe 98 -> The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/13/2011 2:50:08 AM)

I note that for Clear the AT modifier is x 1

And for Woods it is x 2

Note that for High Ground, Rough and Beach, wheeled and tracked vehicles can move there. So the AT modifier there should be "x1" or else be something else.

That these (and others) are blank is a bit odd.

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Max 86 -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/13/2011 11:22:34 PM)

I have found that the manual is either incomplete in some places or tables have numbers in the wrong column or columns have no header explaining what the numbers are. At first glance the manual appears to have a lot of info but on deeper examination it is rather flawed.

A complete review of the tables should be done and a list of unique unit modifiers collected in one table such as armor's +1 column shift against infantry, Commando MPs entering cliffside, Engineer bonus' during assaults, et al.



sabre1 -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/14/2011 12:04:00 AM)

Are the developers who orginally made this game around anymore?



junk2drive -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/14/2011 2:08:11 AM)

Yes that is how we got the beta 1.01 patch. Why they aren't saying anything now, I don't know.



PirateJock -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/14/2011 7:50:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Max 86
I have found that the manual is either incomplete in some places or tables have numbers in the wrong column or columns have no header explaining what the numbers are. At first glance the manual appears to have a lot of info but on deeper examination it is rather flawed.


I'd agree with that. I've been working my way through the Charts and Tables chapter and am struggling to make head or tails of some of the information/tables. A particular favourite is the 10.3. Terrain Defense Values [&:] Any help greatly received.

Cheers



Joe 98 -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/14/2011 11:51:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PirateJock

and am struggling to make head or tails of some of the information/tables. A particular favourite is the 10.3. Terrain Defense Values [&:] Any help greatly received.




That table relates only to bombardment when artillery is not supporting an attack.

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Obsolete -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/14/2011 6:17:40 PM)

I still do not have the RELEASE draft of the manual, however I do have various other versions still kicking around here, back to the hard-copy from 10 years ago.

What I can do, is sometime within the next 24 hours is try to dig that stuff out so we can get somewhat on the same page, and then I'll try to answere any questions anyone may have.

I remember being somewhat confused as well the first time reading the original, too much information over-load.




PirateJock -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/15/2011 12:40:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Joe 98
That table relates only to bombardment when artillery is not supporting an attack.

But how do you use the values? From the manual's text (page 69) I 'think' you take the TDV off the artillery D10 roll value. However the table doesn't just refer to terrain; there's modifiers for the fortification level of, I assume, each unit in the hex as well as for if the unit(s) are dispersed, armoured or non-armoured units. But I could be wrong.

Also is it correct that the TDV for a Town hex is 0 while the TDV for a City is 7?

Cheers



Joe 98 -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/17/2011 5:57:33 AM)

And to add to the confusion there are 4 forts listed in the table

Fort  +3
Fort level 3    + 3
Fort level 2    + 2
Fort level 1    + 1

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PirateJock -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/17/2011 9:34:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Joe 98
And to add to the confusion there are 4 forts listed in the table
Fort  +3
Fort level 3    + 3
Fort level 2    + 2
Fort level 1    + 1

Fort level 1 to 3 are the unit's fortification level while Fort is an object/layer you add to terrain, similar to town, woods etc.

Cheers



Obsolete -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/20/2011 3:05:17 PM)

Jock's got it right. There is a TERRAIN type, FORT for the +3, but there are also MODIFIERS, which are the FORTIFICATION LEVELS, up to +3. I can see where shortening the word could cause a little confusion.

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A particular favourite is the 10.3. Terrain Defense Values

An advantage in knowing this table is how to best protect your units from damage by arty fire (or delivering damage). Keep in mind that if you are doing a bombardment (not aiding an assault), you can generally expect a -1 column shift. Furthermore, if you are bombarding a unit that you really don't know much about, e.g. a Fog unit, then you will suffer a -2 shift. (Not sure if this got inserted near there in the updated manual).

This does make sense because if you don't even know what the hell you are shooting at, then you're just hoping to hit something valuable.




PirateJock -> RE: The terrain movement / combat chart on P79 (5/20/2011 5:49:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Obsolete
Keep in mind that if you are doing a bombardment (not aiding an assault), you can generally expect a -1 column shift. Furthermore, if you are bombarding a unit that you really don't know much about, e.g. a Fog unit, then you will suffer a -2 shift. (Not sure if this got inserted near there in the updated manual).

It is in the Manual but it's right at the end of that section of text and easily missed.

Cheers



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