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crushingleeek -> St. Lo (11/21/2010 7:11:03 PM)

I am working on a St. Lo scenario. Would people be interested in a St. Lo mission?

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Deathtreader -> RE: St. Lo (11/21/2010 11:27:54 PM)


You bet!! [&o]




gabeeg -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 12:38:33 AM)

Of course!




Franklin Nimitz -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 2:08:31 AM)

heck yes!




Agent S -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 6:40:05 AM)

Rhetorical question me thinks! [:'(]
I willing to bet you get NO dissenters.
"anybody not want a really cool looking scenario....."




nicwb -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 7:29:40 AM)

Go for It !





crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 5:34:27 PM)

Great! I figured posing the question in that way would give me a biased response only from ppl who care. [:)]

I am working on getting more precise order of battle and historical accounts, visiting library and getting a few books.
If anyone has any information they'd like to share about the battle from July10-July18 1944, whether obvious or obscure, please let me know!





wodin -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 7:16:22 PM)

excellent.




simovitch -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 9:29:25 PM)

Crushingleek, Dan lamb did a hedgerow mod and Normandy map for HTTR a few years back. I don't know if you own HTTR but here's the files, hopefully they can be put to use. Although the links are dead, here is Dan's blog where he talks about the mod: http://hedgerowmod.blogspot.com/2004/09/download-instructions.html

the files are in the attachment for this post.




simovitch -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 9:31:35 PM)

Here's another one he did called "Carentan".

These are for HTTR only, although the maps should open and convert in the mapmaker.

Files attached.




patchogue -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 9:39:52 PM)

+1[:)]




OlegHasky -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 9:48:00 PM)

Geographicaly - its a monster.. Will be very interesting tacticaly. South-East hill is the key to the city..

But the comunity here is dead.. walking zombies [8D] Noones playing online..

Poeple are locked in limited AI scheme. Where the best expierience is reached trough HVH..

No online pool - Thats a big minus to the series.. A BIG ONE




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 9:55:01 PM)

Excellent, thanks. I will take a look when I get a chance.

I saw that Carentan had been done in HTTR, but I didn't see St. Lo so I thought why not.
Does Dan Lamb tinker with BFTB?




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 10:00:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OlegHasky

South-East hill is the key to the city..



Heh, just from my screenshot or because you know the history?[;)]




AKCLIMBER -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 10:53:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crushingleeek

I am working on getting more precise order of battle and historical accounts, visiting library and getting a few books.
If anyone has any information they'd like to share about the battle from July10-July18 1944, whether obvious or obscure, please let me know!




Looks terrific. [&o]

Here's a great link (probably goes under "obvious" but you never know...)

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/100-13/st-lo_0.htm

Cheers!




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 11:12:39 PM)


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Here's a great link (probably goes under "obvious" but you never know...)

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/100-13/st-lo_0.htm

Cheers!


Documentation from the Historical Division of the War Department?

That's like totally way beyond obvious, can't beleive you even went there.[:D] jk jk
Thanks for that, any help is good.

I have gone through that a bit, only problem is the online version is cut off in some crucial places.
I will definitely be looking for that at the library to get the missing info.
Still, I think its a little scant on the Axis whereabouts, so I'll also be looking through a book by Yates.




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/22/2010 11:37:10 PM)

I see from that American forces in Action series website the approximate locations of German regiments, which isn't too bad for a start, but it'd be great if they had battalion level detail!

btw, thanks for honoring me with your first threat post akclimber!




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 1:50:07 AM)

Simovitch, unfortunately I wasn't even able to open the maps with the BTFB mapmaker. Thanks for the help though. Let me know if there was any feature of that mod you found on point that I should consider including as well.




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 2:18:39 AM)

update: I went with green terrain, as bocage hedgerows shouldn't look like desert!

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simovitch -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 4:24:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crushingleeek

Simovitch, unfortunately I wasn't even able to open the maps with the BTFB mapmaker. Thanks for the help though. Let me know if there was any feature of that mod you found on point that I should consider including as well.

rename the map file to stlo.cop, it should open (it worked for me). Daniel (Rooster) Lamb was an active participant with the team until suddenly about 3 years ago he just disappeared.

His hedgerow mod is kinda cool:



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crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 12:26:15 PM)

Can someone help me diagnose this bug issue? (I specify terrain but the it is not recognized as such)


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simovitch -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 12:34:53 PM)

Need more info. Does this happen over every occurance of that terrain type?

The only thing I can think of is you are looking at an old map cache and that terrain there doesn't actually exist when you open the map editor.




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 1:41:33 PM)

Yes, happens over every occurance of that terrain type and for any new layer for that matter.

I guess I could benefit from learning what map cache's do specifically. Maybe I forgot to generate map cache, despite saving the map file.





simovitch -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 4:24:33 PM)

The map cache is just a "snapshot" of the map that allows faster panning and zooming in the game. If you haven't built a map cache yet, then you are seeing what you got. If you built a map cache early on, then you are seeing what you had when you built the cache.

On the other hand, if you haven't built the terrain tables since you added the terrain, you will get what you are seeing now - a graphic representation, yes, but the map engine does not recognize it.

So I suggest that before you save the map each time, build the terrain tables and map cache.




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 5:31:06 PM)

Sounds like from your explanation this might be a terrain table calculation issue. Thanks.

I will update cache and terrain tables each time now and see if that resolves it.





crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 6:32:20 PM)

Indeed, the terrain tables got me. Thanks a ton simovitch. onward ho!




crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 9:03:26 PM)

Welcome to hedgerow hell!

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crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/23/2010 9:04:05 PM)

zoomed out

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AKCLIMBER -> RE: St. Lo (11/24/2010 5:02:38 AM)

[:D] Yup, pretty obvious all right. Just making sure tho. Too bad there's not more detailed OOB info there.

The new green map looks great!

Cheers!

quote:

ORIGINAL: crushingleeek


quote:



Here's a great link (probably goes under "obvious" but you never know...)

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/100-13/st-lo_0.htm

Cheers!


Documentation from the Historical Division of the War Department?

That's like totally way beyond obvious, can't beleive you even went there.[:D] jk jk
Thanks for that, any help is good.

I have gone through that a bit, only problem is the online version is cut off in some crucial places.
I will definitely be looking for that at the library to get the missing info.
Still, I think its a little scant on the Axis whereabouts, so I'll also be looking through a book by Yates.





crushingleeek -> RE: St. Lo (11/24/2010 2:31:54 PM)

Akclimber, I got the hard copy version of the link you suggested at the library. It is much more complete and I actually do have some info about battalion locations of Panzer Lehr and 3d parachute division defending the German line. a lot of comments in the book about strength, fatigue and morale will also help further refine the historical accuracy. So Good call!

I've got a pretty good basic force compiled and I'm beginning play testing. I'm also waiting for one more reference to arrive in the mail.
For now, heading out for the thanksgiving holiday. Will be back on the weekend!




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