That's is the way to take on the KB in PBEM

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That's is the way to take on the KB in PBEM

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In my PBEM game with ZECKE (scen 13) I just ambushed the KB with 5 allied carriers and KICKED THEIR ASS!

Let me explain.

Zecke went after Port Moresby with a BIG fleet consisting of transport, surface combat and air combat TF's. He actually took Port Moresby because I didn't intervene with my carriers (VERY unfavorable conditions). When Zecke pulled back his TF's into the coral sea my subs there took A BEATING by his Vals (6 subs sunk 7 damaged) I knew he had to have most of his Vals set to ASW to get these results and I pulled back my subs. Counting on ZECKE to follow on his hunt on those subs just 4 more hexes with his carriers (SIG Intel told me the location of his carriers).......... At that moment I send in my 5 (undetected, and packed with marine squadrons) carriers, counting on Zecke following my subs just too where I wanted him to go. The resulting 3 hex ranged carrier battle took Zecke by total surprise; most of his Zero’s set to LRcap to protect his transports against my B17’s from Australia, and ALL his Vals set to ASW. (Just as I had hoped for).

The resulting battle was a TOTAL success for the allies placing no less than 12 1000lbs bombs on 4 Japanese carriers. In return the Japans air attack with over 200 KATES went in virtually unescorted against 120 wildcats, resulting in almost 200 highly trained and highly DEAD KATE pilots without even a scratch on the allied carriers…
I lost over 300 planes in this attack, and my carriers have to return to rearm, but the KB wont be back soon..


This feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/01/42



Day Air attack on TF at 64,99

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 116
A6M3 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
SBD Dauntless x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 20 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 43 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,99

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 104
A6M3 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
SBD Dauntless x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 12 destroyed, 3 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 21 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 28 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,99

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 58
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 33
SBD Dauntless x 101

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 23 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 26 destroyed, 47 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Zuiho
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Tone, Bomb hits 2
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiryu

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,99

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 67,100

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
B5N Kate x 102

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 113

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N Kate: 95 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,100

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
B5N Kate x 101

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N Kate: 71 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,100

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 91
A6M3 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
SBD Dauntless x 58
TBD Devastator x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 32 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 47 destroyed
TBD Devastator: 15 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku
CVE Taiyo
CVE Hosho
CV Zuikaku
BB Hiei

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,100

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
A6M3 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
TBD Devastator x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed
TBD Devastator: 8 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 66,100

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
B5N Kate x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 81

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N Kate: 19 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed






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Yikes, I'm betting Zecke is feeling about as good as Nagumo did.

Congrats.....(note to self....do not do this in current game!!!!!!)
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Nice!

KB really isn't Invincible in the first 6-12 months like most people seem to beleive, must of felt brilliant to see a good plan come together like that. [:D]
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But can't he just put all his Vals back on Nav strike and womp your carriers tomorrow? Afterall he stil has 5 untouched Fleet CVs, not to mention the Junyo and Hiyo, and your strike craft have been slaughtered....
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No, he is pulling back into lunga right as we speak ( DD hitting one of my mines[;)]) , and I am getting the hell out of dodge. He thought I would go to nedi to resuply, my surviving dauntless (about 40[:(]) put no less than 5 bombs on 4 subs in the nedi hex the turn after this massacer. My carriers are halfway to noumea by now, just some more "creative" sailing to avoid any subs and I am home in 2 turns.. (damn BB's wont go faster than 20 knots).

I cant blaim him for consolidating his position after taking this beating......
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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

No, he is pulling back into lunga right as we speak ( DD hitting one of my mines[;)]) , and I am getting the hell out of dodge. He thought I would go to nedi to resuply, my surviving dauntless (about 40[:(]) put no less than 5 bombs on 4 subs in the nedi hex the turn after this massacer. My carriers are halfway to noumea by now, just some more "creative" sailing to avoid any subs and I am home in 2 turns.. (damn BB's wont go faster than 20 knots).

I cant blaim him for consolidating his position after taking this beating......

Well done then sir.
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Do you know if any carrier actually sank?
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IT WAS LIKE MIDWAY,, my 2 KBs, where protection 3 big TFs transport on the way to nidji to invade,,,all my vals where on asw, all my fighters, except two escort, one on each KB, where on large cap,, and my kates where on naval attack,,

But the problem here is none of my recon airplanes detected his tfs carriers,, the battle took place around hex 65/99,, near lunga and near short island,,, and i had plenty recognize planes at rabaul, shorts island and lunga

the results are;

CV HIRY,,17 SYS, , 1 FIRE[:'(]
CV SORYU,, 42 SYS, 26 FLT, 6 FIRES[:'(]
CVE UNYO,, 30 SYS, 10 FLT, 2 FIRES[:'(]

CVL SHOHO, 86 SYS, 35 FLT, 10 FIRES, (IS ONE SQUUARE FROM SHORT ISLAND) MAYBE WILL SURVIVE[:D]

MY 2 KBS WERE SURPRISE LIKE IN MIDWAY, BUT COULD BE WORST

BY THE WAY............ THE DAUNTLESS ATTACK IN ORDER OF 9, NOT AS USUAL 4 planes attack
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It was still a success for wild_willie2. He destroyed nearly as many Japanese aircraft (The japs always have to destroy much more or they eventually lose from poor industrial strength). One of the carriers will probably sink, and the rest are out of action for a while, and his carriers are completely untouched, i'd worry if I were you Zecke.
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I like it, shows what can happen if conditions are right :)

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BY THE WAY............ THE DAUNTLESS ATTACK IN ORDER OF 9, NOT AS USUAL 4 planes attack [quote]

Put them at + 15500 feet and they attck in 9 instead of 4 (knew I was hunting carriers, so better to concentrate the damage ;)
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CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

He Zecke, where is ryulo in your list? with 5 1000 pounders she most probably already sank (see your sink records ;)
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We have the same problem as we did INVADING PORT MORESBY (DIFFERENTS COMBAT REPORTS),, only 4 carriers where hit,, also in the combat animation, CVL Ryujo was no hit, so we have diferent combat reports again. in my combat reports as far i remember only 5 bombs hit in all CVS, but CVL SHOHO with "ammo explosion" thats why is so damage.

I remember exactly the combat animation, and only 5 bombs hit me, no more. forgeret about thoose 5 hits in Ryujo, never happens

SHOHO will probably SINKS

Still is a good success for allies,, I STILL CANT BELIEVE THAT SUCH BIG CVs-TFs SUDDENLY APPEAR WITHOUT NOT SEEING THE TURN BEFORE, HAVING TOTAL CONTROL OF LUNGA SHORT ISLAND, RABAUL, GILI-GILI, BECAUSE UNTILL THIS ATTACK I COULD SEE ALL YOUR PTS TASK FORCE MOVING FROM NIDJI TILL LUNGA.......
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My experience has shown that CV TF's have a tendency to go unnoticed. .. but then again, I sneaked up a 450+ ship invasion fleet to Andy Mac with no detection either.
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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

BY THE WAY............ THE DAUNTLESS ATTACK IN ORDER OF 9, NOT AS USUAL 4 planes attack

Put them at + 15500 feet and they attck in 9 instead of 4 (knew I was hunting carriers, so better to concentrate the damage ;)

For Dauntlesses, as for all dive-bombers, this is determined by the altitude selected. Above 15000 ft they attack in groups of 9; below in groups of 4. At exactly 15000? Not sure....anybody?
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Hi, I'd rather my AC attacked in groups of 4. They attack more targets that way. In groups of 9 oyu attack less then half of the ships you attack in groups of 4. It only takes 1 or 2 bomb hits to disable a CV (if they are good hits) What if several groups decide to attack non CV?
When your out where the enemy can reach you always assume his CV are in the worst place (for you) Whether you see them are not just operate like the next turn you are going to fight a carrier battle.
Don't try to push transports forward before you can provide landbased CAP. (at least part of the way) Because if there is a battle you will also want this landbased CAP to cover your retreat. If you also take the time to build airfields you can have landbased bombers and sometimes they make all the difference.
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I know how he feels[:D] Playing one fellow awhile back and 4 of my carriers went down in 2 days.[:D]
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"ammo explosion"
where does it tell you there was an "ammo explosion"? come to think of it(i know this should be in support) But is there any way to tell your pilots which ships you want them targetting? or a way to set priorities on which ships theyll target or not target?
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