Strategic Wir Tournament

Lorenzo from Spain · Post by **Lorenzo from Spain** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:30 pm

Íd like to play the “balanced” hypothetical scenario, when tested, but too Íd like to play a complete campaign, beginning in 1941.
A short campaign reveals tactical skills, but in a long campaign are necessary long range strategies. German 41 offensive, Soviet winter counteroffensive, summeŕ42 German offensive, winteŕ 42 Soviet counteroffensive...
Even finishing in spring of 42 (as I proposed before) it́s too short. I.e: this prevents a possible German winter retreat to prepare the summeŕ42 offensive, or makes no so important save the factories of Moscow...
I know, a complete campaign it́s too long, but may be someone will have enough time. And we are not hurry.

I propose to play in groups of 4 people, and at the end, the winner of every group will play a final.
The points could be:
German victory in 41, 5 points German, -5 points Soviet
German victory in 42, 3 points German, -3 points Soviet
German victory in 43 (or after), 1 point German, -1 point Soviet
Soviet victory in 43 (or before), -5 points German, 5 points Soviet
Soviet victory in 44, -3 points German, 3 points Soviet
Soviet victory in 45, -1 point German, 1 point Soviet.
No victory: 0 points both.

Anyone wants to play?

loveman · Post by **loveman** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:02 pm

a good idea but it may take forever. count me in <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

matt.buttsworth · Post by **matt.buttsworth** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:29 pm

I don't think I would have time to play in such a tournament, challenge though it would be. But may a recommend the possum wir for that game.
It has balance.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:18 pm

Originally posted by Lorenzo from Spain:
Íd like to play the “balanced” hypothetical scenario, when tested, but too Íd like to play a complete campaign, beginning in 1941.
A short campaign reveals tactical skills, but in a long campaign are necessary long range strategies. German 41 offensive, Soviet winter counteroffensive, summeŕ42 German offensive, winteŕ 42 Soviet counteroffensive...
Even finishing in spring of 42 (as I proposed before) it́s too short. I.e: this prevents a possible German winter retreat to prepare the summeŕ42 offensive, or makes no so important save the factories of Moscow...
I know, a complete campaign it́s too long, but may be someone will have enough time. And we are not hurry.

I propose to play in groups of 4 people, and at the end, the winner of every group will play a final.
The points could be:
German victory in 41, 5 points German, -5 points Soviet
German victory in 42, 3 points German, -3 points Soviet
German victory in 43 (or after), 1 point German, -1 point Soviet
Soviet victory in 43 (or before), -5 points German, 5 points Soviet
Soviet victory in 44, -3 points German, 3 points Soviet
Soviet victory in 45, -1 point German, 1 point Soviet.
No victory: 0 points both.

Anyone wants to play?

Lorenzo,
that's something I mentioned before, but not in details. I have few games on go playing both germans and soviets in 1941 campaign and IMHO no way we could use this this standard campaign for tournament - it's no balanced at all. I dont know possum war, but from others opinions this could be the one to play.
My proposal - let's give some time for people to post their interest in this thread (e.g a week or so) and after that we will see how many joined, so we can group and finally start.
Count me in.
Maciej

Lorenzo from Spain · Post by **Lorenzo from Spain** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:46 pm

My opinion:
It´s not important if a game is ballanced or no, if you play in both places. And more, there is ways of win. I.e: it´s easy to win as German, but not so easy to win in 1941(very difficult).
As German I´m being defeated in 1941 campaign(against Josan, the best player that I know), and as Russian I´m more or less winning in another 1941 campaign.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 2:50 pm

Originally posted by Lorenzo from Spain:
My opinion:
It´s not important if a game is ballanced or no, if you play in both places. And more, there is ways of win. I.e: it´s easy to win as German, but not so easy to win in 1941(very difficult).
As German I´m being defeated in 1941 campaign(against Josan, the best player that I know), and as Russian I´m more or less winning in another 1941 campaign.

You got the point, but it is less fun if you know you cant win and then you have to play mirror games, which makes the whole thing even longer.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:04 pm

Hi all,
really nobody else interested in playing strategic tournament ?
Anybody who wants to play please send me e-mail and we will set up the whole thing together.
regards
Maciej

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:47 am

Originally posted by czerpak:
Hi all,
really nobody else interested in playing strategic tournament ?
Anybody who wants to play please send me e-mail and we will set up the whole thing together.
regards
Maciej

Maciej

I am interested but please consider that i'm playing two test games of the Tournament Scen i put together + 2 possum '41 games + 2 Standard '41 games + 1 game of Mist's '44 campaign. (all pbem)
My plate is full.....
If you can get a group together however i will play one more game (any side any scen), i've just got to much happening to organise anything.

All the best

Nick

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matt.buttsworth · Post by **matt.buttsworth** » Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:39 pm

Given the time involved I think a ladder system would be best, with the most balanced scenario I have seen being the possom one (I have not played the new mist scenario so I cannot comment on that).

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Fri Dec 21, 2001 2:35 pm

Guys,
I saw the problem with people being involved in other PBEM so I just started new PBEM myself, ending up with 5 Wir games at the moment. So I didnt even unpack Mist's scenarios yet.
I agree ladder is the best idea and I'm going to send e-mail today to Blitzkrieg Classic Ladder custodian offerring our help with setting everything up (like points, scenarios involved and so on..). I'll keep you all informed and I hope we wont have a problem with setting together a group of people working on that issue ( with me being less experienced probably).
Unfortunately I'll be cut off of good connection soon ( my contract with a company allowing me to use their connection for private purposes is over at the end of this month) and the one at home is standard modem, which means in POland two things :
1. bed connection
2. huge money I already pay for e-mails only.
So my visits at this forum wont be as regular as it has been recently (doesnt mean saying goodbye to my favourite forum).
Please if you have anything particular to me rather send me an e-mail, instead of posting here.
regards
Maciej