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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

Another weapons system that's missing are the conventional variants of the AS-16 Kickback, both an anti-ship variant using inertial guidance and an active radar seeker (the KH-15P, entered service in the late 80s) and a ARM variant with a passive radar seeker were produced (the KH-15S, developed into the early 90s). In fact in the description for the nuclear variant that's already in the database explicitly references these by both name and purpose. The warhead for the nuclear variant should be 350 kilotons, not 200.

Another issue concerning the Kickback is it's missing launch platforms; the SU-33, SU-34, and the Tu-95MS-6 (6 missile capacity) could all carry the Kickback.

Source: Wikipedia article for the AS-16.

Here is a picture describing the attack pattern of the ASM variant.

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I personally searched that extensively a few years back (including _buying pricey books_) and the Kh-15/AS-16 was only ever fielded in the nuclear version.

Wikipedia can be useful, but as a primary source it can be extremely hit-and-miss.
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The KH-41 Moskit is missing from the database. It is the air launched variant of the P-270 Moskit anti-ship missile and it entered service in 1990. It's weapons platforms are the SU-33, SU-34, SU-30MKI, SU-30MK, and SU-30MKK (all had a maximum capacity of one missile carried in the center-line pylon under the aircraft.) It has a maximum range of 250 km and a minimum range of 10km. It had either a conventional 150kg explosive or a 120 kiloton nuclear warhead.

Source: Wikipedia article for the P-270 Moskit and the Deagle dot com article on the KH-41.

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Tookatee, Dimitris,

This has been fixed for the next DB release. The nuclear TEL had been inadvertently mounted with a non-nuclear 1000lb warhead. Has been replaced with 15kT nuclear one.

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Well, it cited two editions of Jane's weapons systems so I thought it would be reputable. Not to mention, looking through other websites I found that they all reference the other variants of the AS-16, the KH-15A Antiship variant and the KH-15P ARM. Also the issue of the missing weapons carriers and wrong nuclear warhead yield still stands.

Here are just a few of the other sources I found on it: https://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/ ... h-15).html , https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... /as-16.htm , and http://www.deagel.com/Offensive-Weapons ... 69001.aspx

And here's another diagram describing how the ARM version operates Image

As for the Moskit, is it not possible to add a hypothetical loadout? While it may not have been fielded it still seems like it's possible for these aircraft to equip the Moskit at anytime with little modification and the company seems to have produced the missile in some quantity (with several if not all sources that I can find indicating that it is in fact operational.) The previous sources I listed in the original post in addition to these are some examples: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... moskit.htm , https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/miss ... 2-sunburn/ ,
and http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/raduga/kh/41/moskit.htm
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Nice!
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Just posted that new thread in the tech forum. Although, because the bug prevents you from saving after it has occurred the scenario is just as it would be had you simply plopped down a unit and a target to test on your end.
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The MK 67 Submarine Launched Mobile Mine (#876 and #662) do not function as they should. Instead of functioning as a launchable mine attached to a torpedo that can be fired and laid a significant distance from the original craft, it functions as any other mine would and is only able to be released on the launch platform's location. You can not manual fire the weapon to a location and units equipped with them will not automatically fire the weapon into a designated mine area when in range.

Here is an image describing how the future Improved SLMM (to be based off of the Mk 48 torpedo) operates, as it is essentially the same as the current SLMM.
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In addition both variants of it currently have no default weapon carriers (it's a 533mm torpedo designed to be fired out of any standard 533mm torpedo tube, which includes many classes of American submarines since its deployment in 1985), meaning the editor must be used to forcibly equip it onto any submarine and it cannot be loaded onto any submarine from a naval base without the forced creation of the weapon record.
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All variants of the MK 45 torpedo (#2730-#2732) have an incorrect explosive yield of 10kt instead of 11kt and is missing any default weapons carriers.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_45_torpedo, http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.php, https://1991-new-world-order.fandom.com ... ar_torpedo, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W34_(nuclear_warhead), and http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Wea ... bombs.html

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The new Admiral Gorshkov class frigate is missing from the database.

There are two versions of this ship in the database.2017 and 2019. Look for SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov.

If you open old scenario it open old database. This could be issue with keep asking for things that already exist. Or maybe you chew strange gum.[:)]

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The Russian Kirov class battle cruisers Pyotr Velikiy and Admiral Nakhimov (currently undergoing modernization, trials begin in 2020) are missing from the database, the two Kirov class cruisers currently included (two variants of the RKR Kirov at different dates) are of an outdated configuration and the ship itself is no longer in serivce and is being scrapped. See sources for exact armament/sensor differences, a prominent example is the addition of the 3M22 Zircon missile on the Admiral Nakhimov.

Admiral N has 2019 Version. PV has 2023 version. Look ok[:'(]

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Thank you for pointing that out, I didn't see it because I searched up Admiral Gorshkov and its Russian project number (Project 22350) which don't reveal that ship in the database when used as search terms. I've been using the latest database, but I guess these search terms weren't what were picked up for each unit. The same thing happened for the Kirov as I used "Kirov" as the search term for the ships, as both the Admiral N and PV are Kirov class battle cruisers.
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The #430, #665, #4840, and #1518 A-6E Intruders and all the A-6F Intruder II's are missing the ability to load up to three of the B43 (all variants of the A-6E/F Intruders are missing the ability to load this), B57, B61, or B83 (this bomb is specifically stated in the description in CMANO for the A-6E, but is not backed up by the following sources) nuclear bombs.

Sources: http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-6E_I ... r_1979.pdf and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
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The Jaguar S models (#4628, #1292, and #1293) are all missing the ability to load AA missiles (two Matra Magic missiles or two Sidewinders) as apart of their loadouts. This is due to the fact that the aircraft were given overwing missile rails as a standard feature, allowing them to carry their normal payload of bombs in addition to two AA missiles. They also were able to carry a dedicated loadout of up to four AA missiles by combining the overwing pylons and the two outermost standard pylons on each wing, substituting ground ordinance for additional missiles.

Sources: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... raft_id=92 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_J ... 1_p111-122
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Here's an image of the ARM E-01 Cuitlahuac (one of the Mexican naval platforms I requested for DB3000, should I quote the others I've requested if you want?)...


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Some request for Iranian Phantoms.

TISEO wing EO Sensor variant of F-4E.
Google books - Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat
F-4E Images from Airlines.net

SUU-23A 20mm Gunpod for F-4D.
Google books - Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat
F-4D illustlation with SUU-23A gunpod
Weapons

Iranian Air Force used various weapons options in conjunction with its F-4 Phantom operations. They included general purpose bombs; such as 500lb. Snakeye (x12) to 750lb. (x6) and 1,000lb. (x6) GP or retard versions. AIM-7E Sparrow and AIM-9P/J Sidewinder missiles were also carried regularly for air defense and fighter escort missions. Other weapons included the AGM-65A Maverick used in conjunction with TISEO electro-optical sensor, BL 755 cluster bomb customized for low-altitude delivery, Napalm tanks and LAU-61 rocket launchers. Iranian F-4Ds also used the SUU-23 gun pods to good effect.
Two Iranian F-4D Phantoms were tasked with striking a logistically important bridge near Basreh on September 29, 1981, employing LGBs. They used a buddy-lasing tactic, one acting as target designator at about 13,000ft equipped with AVQ-9 Pave Light laser designator. The target was hit, but a short time later an SA-6 missile homed in on the designating aircraft. Both crew ejected as the aircraft was destroyed.
http://www.iiaf.net/f4/


Give SUU-23A to South Korean F-4D too.
F-4D images from xairforces.net
Google search results of "F-4D ROKAF"

Thanks! (BTW, should I post same request for CWDB thread?)

Edit: US F-4D has CAP loadouts with SUU-23A (#16921/#16922). I don't care at all the AIM-9J or AIM-9N difference.
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Malay, Singapore, Thai Changes
Note: All proposed loadouts are based on the capabilities and loadouts of the aircraft or similar aircraft as currently represented in DB.

New F/A-18D versions to be added for Malaysia:

3 new versions of the Malaysian F/A-18s should be added to the DB, these represent capability upgrades undertaken over the aircraft’s 22 year service period with the RMAF, with the first upgrade being in 2007. Where possible, I have written the new loadouts that would have to be added with each entry along with how previous entries would have to be modified, along with locating related DBID entries.

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2007.
This version acquired the ability to fire the AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missile, whether this replaced AIM-7Ms entirely is unknown due to the small stockpile of C5s ordered, for this reason I’d recommend carrying the AIM-7Ms CAP loadouts over to this and the 2011 version [see below].

New Loadouts:
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Heavy - 6x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 1566, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Light - 2x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 6x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 1569, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Standard- 2x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 12036, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)

In addition, all other loadouts [except Sparrow A/A] would need to be modified to have AIM-120C-5s instead of Sparrows.

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2011
This version acquired the ability to deploy Mk8X bombs equipped with the JDAM strap-on guidance package. Due to the lack of information regarding which JDAM variants were exported I have elected to use the USN variants, as those are used by the DB’s other Hornet variants. Furthermore, since Malaysia has, to my knowledge, never operated the Mk83 with its F/A-18Ds I have excluded Mk83 JDAM loadouts from the loadout list:

New Loadouts:
GBU-31(V)2/B JDAM [Mk84] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 1x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x GBU-31(V) 2/B JDAM [Mk84], 1x NITE Hawk Pod, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (Closely related loadout: DBID 4110, found on USMC F/A-18D #451, requires removal of TINS Pod and addition of 1 AMRAAM)
GBU-38(V)2/B JDAM [Mk82] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 1x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x GBU-31(V) 2/B JDAM [Mk82], 1x NITE Hawk Pod, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (Closely related loadout: DBID 7934, found on USN F/A-18A+ #2086, requires removal of ATFLIR pod and addition of NITE Hawk)

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2016
This was an extensive upgrade, giving Malaysian F/A-18s the capacity to carry the AIM-9X-2 SRAAM, the AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM and the AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR. The ATFLIR system most likely replaced the old NITE Hawk pods in RMAF service. While the B-2s were delivered in 2015 I have chosen to consolidate the upgrade into one, 2016, entry. Furthermore, I would recommend removing AIM-7M loadouts from this version. No new loadouts would be needed, but all loadouts would need modification to take advantage of the ATFLIR, C-7 AMRAAM and X-2 Sidewinder capabilities.

Singaporean Changes
[NEW] A330 MRTT, 2018:
Singapore ordered 6 Airbus A330 MRTTs in 2014, and the first was unveiled in September 2018. This would be a clone of DBID #3888.

[NEW] SAMP/T SAM Bty, 2017:
Ordered in 2013, with first delivery in 2017. Clone of #230.

[NEW] M142 HIMARS, 2010:
Ordered in ~2007-2008, first live-fired by Singaporean Army forces in 2010. Near-clone of #1968, but ATACMS capability should be removed due to the fact Singapore has never ordered the ATACMS missile.

Singapore F-15SG Changes
These changes reflect capabilities that were either present at the beginning of the SGs service life or have been since added since

F-15SG, DBID 2925
The F-15SG was acquired during the Peace Carvin V program, along with the equipment already present in this DB entry. Additionally, AAQ-33 Sniper Pods were provided for use with the F-15SGs.I believe, based on SIPRI, that this was used instead of LANTIRN, with LANTIRN being used solely on F-16s until several years later. With this in mind, the proposed loadout changes are listed below;
DBID 15612-15621, replace LANTIRN with Sniper
DBID 19850, 19851, replace LANTIRN with Sniper

Additionally, AGM-154A and C JSOWs were acquired by Singapore, which, according to SIPRI, are used by the F-15SG. Therefore, the following loadouts should be added to DBID 2925:

AGM-154A JSOW (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 2x AGM-154A JSOW, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #22848 on ROKAF F-15K #4514, requires replacing C-5 AMRAAM with C-7, Taurus 350 with A JSOW and LANTIRN with Sniper]
AGM-154C JSOW (Standoff Strike, Land/Naval) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 2x AGM-154C JSOW, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #22848 on ROKAF F-15K #4514, requires replacing C-5 AMRAAM with C-7, Taurus 350 with C JSOW and LANTIRN with Sniper]

[NEW] F-15SG, 2013
SIPRI Arms Transfer suggests that AIM-120C-7 capability would have been available for the F-15SG and F-16C/Ds after 2013. Therefore, if this capability were to be added, a new DB entry for 2013 would be required, with all loadouts needing to be modified to replace the C-5 with the C-7 model.

[NEW] F-15SG, 2016
Singapore acquired 20 AIM-9X-2s in 2016, it’s likely these can be equipped with their F-15SGs. Due to the small number acquired I would recommend only replacing A/A loadouts with these missiles.

[NEW] F-15SG, 2019.
Singapore is currently being supplied with GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs, thanks to a contract signed in 2017, however a delivery date is at present unknown. I based the date off the time taken in historic SAF contracts from order, in this case, 2017, to delivery. The following loadouts would be needed for this aircraft;

GBU-39/B SDB, Sniper XR Pod [FLIR] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 8x GBU-39/B SDB, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper XR, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #2777 on USAF F-15E #4291, requires replacement of AIM-9M with AIM-9X, as well as the removal of LANTIRN to be replaced with the Tiger Eyes FLIR/CCD and Tiger Eyes IRST pods]

GBU-39/B SDB, Sniper XR Pod [FLIR], Long-Range (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 4x GBU-39/B SDB, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper XR, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #12283 on USAF F-15E #4291, requires replacement of AIM-9M with AIM-9X, as well as the removal of LANTIRN to be replaced with the Tiger Eyes FLIR/CCD and Tiger Eyes IRST pods]

Singaporean F-16 Changes:
Peace Carvin II-IV [DBID: 900, 1532, 3530, 3531, 2966]
These aircraft were equipped from the beginning with the AIM-9S, replacing the earlier AIM-9P-4s used by the SAF. No new loadouts would be needed for these aircraft, but all loadouts would need modification to use AIM-9S.

Thai Changes:
[NEW] F-16A/B Block 15 MLU, 2012
The RTAF undertook an MLU program for 18 of their F-16s in 2010, replacing the AN/APG-66A ADF radars with the AN/APG-68(V)9 [found on DBID #762], replacing the AN/ALE-40(V)4 countermeasures deployment system with the AN/ALE-47 [found on DBID #3273] and added the ALQ-213 ECM system [found on DBID #3685].

[NEW] EC.725 Caracal, x8, 2010
First delivered in 2010, have received 2 more since, with 6 more planned for 2021. Clone of #4089.

Sources:
SIPRI Arms Transfer Database
United States Defence Security Cooperation Agency
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -a330-mrtt
https://defense-update.com/20080301_sin ... adars.html
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/0 ... ideo-post/
https://archive.is/20120805101251/http: ... 10_fs.html
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... order.html

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The B61 and B83 nuclear bombs are missing many of their launch platforms. These include all variants of the American F-15E Strike Eagle, all variants of the American F-16, all variants of the American F/A-18, all variants of the American AV-8, and the Mod 12 variant of the B61 is missing from the F-35 and F-22 (which can be carried both internally and externally.)

In addition several variants of the B61 are missing from the database, all of which have differing yields and standard carriers
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Sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20141207170 ... Report.pdf , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_ ... ghtning_II , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell ... rike_Eagle , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_D ... ing_Falcon , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B83_nuclear_bomb , http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/B61.html , and https://fas.org/blogs/security/2011/06/b61-12/
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All variants of the AV-8B in the database are missing the ability to load the AGM-65D/H/G/K variants of the Maverick, x7 FFAR, x19 FFAR, and four x4 Zuni rocket pods (and any combination of those rocket pods/missiles.) The Night Attack + varaints are also missing the ability to fire the Harpoon ASM and AGM-88C HARM (a maximum of two for both).


In addition, it is capable of carrying up to four 300, 330, or 370 lbs fuel tanks rather than the two the database limits it to.
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All the British Harriers (except for the Sea-Harriers) are also missing the ability to load a maximum of four SNEB rocket pods.
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Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell ... Harrier_II , https://www.military.com/equipment/av-8b-harrier-ii , https://web.archive.org/web/20110707095 ... s/harrier/ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_Harrier
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