Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
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Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
In the home islands of Japan I normally set up bases with aircraft and engine factories with Supplies Required around 5-6k knowing that the base will try to keep about 3x that setting. I've always thought that'd help as the engine/air frame factories are built up to my desired production levels.
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
I do, purpose is to get supplies at the base above 10k, otherwise the industry won’t repair at all.
Some cities have lots of factory repairs to do in the first few months like Gifu, Maebashi, so I set the counter on those types of cities maybe up to 10k for the first few weeks so they try and stockpile 30k. Once the factories are fully repaired you can reset to baseline need only so supply flows to where it is still needed. Then for later war engine and airframe changes you might need to toggle those dials again to keep 10k+ supply at the base to allow the factory repairs again.
Some cities have lots of factory repairs to do in the first few months like Gifu, Maebashi, so I set the counter on those types of cities maybe up to 10k for the first few weeks so they try and stockpile 30k. Once the factories are fully repaired you can reset to baseline need only so supply flows to where it is still needed. Then for later war engine and airframe changes you might need to toggle those dials again to keep 10k+ supply at the base to allow the factory repairs again.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Setting supplies at Gifu too high at game start will cause wastage.
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
In the home islands of Japan I normally set up bases with aircraft and engine factories with Supplies Required around 5-6k knowing that the base will try to keep about 3x that setting. I've always thought that'd help as the engine/air frame factories are built up to my desired production levels.
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
As the above have mentioned, set supplies to the levels appropriate to increase your factories. I would advise doing these things somewhat slowly. Keep an eye on supply usage for factory increases early.
Also, as the war goes on, it is important to build the smaller base airfields/ports to a cumulative total of size seven so they will have barrage balloons, and the forts as well to increase the number of balloons present. It will also help of course to make sure supply isn't wasted by over allocating to a small airfield/port size.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Sure, that's a necessityORIGINAL: durnedwolf
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
Before that, I try to spread my factories in such a way that backwater bases did not have a lot of actively building factories, so that turn supply consumption per turn not be too much. Else you risk depleting your >10k stocks inside a turn and some factories would not repair when they could.
Then the level of supplies depends on what you expect of consumption. A bit of wastage from overstocking (like 21k supplies in 17k base) is OK, it is small and temporary. I do not build up Gifu or Nagaoka at the start, there are more important things to build like ports in the north. Overstocking is temporary anyway - as you are finishing expanding your R&D to 30 you can cut stocks down, consumption from repairs will be small
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
I find setting the dials to 4-5k to be sufficient in most cases. Just watch that you don't go into wastage at some of the small basses. Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
That is the Japanese point of view. The Allied point of view of Japan wasting supplies is quite different.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Trade-offs, trade-offs, it is always about those. Absolute positions do not work during war.ORIGINAL: rustysi
Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
Is 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory? What about 1 supply wastage?
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Trade-offs, trade-offs, it is always about those. Absolute positions do not work during war.ORIGINAL: rustysi
Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
Is 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory? What about 1 supply wastage?
My thoughts are similar. It was a good point by awaw as I hadn't checked that detail and now know that Gifu starts with a 17k supply limit, but I wouldn't change my plan for that.
I only set supply at Gifu > 17k for a few days so I could implement my industry plan asap, so wastage would have been sweet FA.
Important thing is to try and forecast your Supply usage based on your pre-war industry plan then monitor actual vs forecast.
The benefit of a few wasted supply points is that I now know my industry plan is in place for the next few months and I can focus on the myriad of other things.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Another time I'll ramp up supplies (although this is normally in an area of the map that's seen significant ground combat) is when I'm trying to rebuild infantry divisions. I find it helps to move an HQ unit to the base as HQs seem to pull supplies to wherever they are at. But I'll still bump up the Supplies required to 8k or so in that base and then split the division up into A/B/C to rebuild/add squads. When rebuilding I set the Operation Mode to Rest/Training.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
I was just wondering if other Japanese players increased Supplies Required at bases and, if so, how much and why?
Yes. You have to in several cities, lest (like other posters have stated) research and production factories won't increase. The '4k to 5k' draw arrows are usually sufficient. Maebashi and Gifu sometimes take a while to get the memo and may require more than that setting to draw supplies sufficiently above 10,000.
I can usually do most of these cities in the first week of the war. Within a week or so thereafter, I find that I only have to fine tune a handful of them to get the supply reservoir where it needs to be.
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Any base within supply range will give replacements, so it is good to send units to an area with a number of bases with an excess of 2X needed supplies. Also with an excess of support squads since that helps to un-disable devices.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Trade-offs, trade-offs, it is always about those. Absolute positions do not work during war.ORIGINAL: rustysi
Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
Is 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory? What about 1 supply wastage?
There's no need to waste even one supply point. Japan has more to do at the start than she can afford to, so no need to waste supply. Simply build up said base(s) while doing other things and do the built up base(s) later.
There're are some places where this may not be avoided. One that comes to mind is Palembang. It will have wastage (unless the Allies help by building up the base) until Japan can build the base to the unlimited point or she can get enough out. This however is the exception and not the rule.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
The benefit of a few wasted supply points is that I now know my industry plan is in place for the next few months and I can focus on the myriad of other things.
OK. I'm in May '43, and still can't get my 'focus' off my industry.[:D]
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Bro, do you even read?ORIGINAL: rustysiSimply build up said base(s) while doing other things and do the built up base(s) later.ORIGINAL: GetAssistaIs 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory?ORIGINAL: rustysi
Japan doesn't need to waste any supplies, period.
High ops losses of airframes? Simply build up said base
Transport TFs unload slowly? Simply build up said base
Just a bit too little VPs for the auto victory? Simply build up said base
You see the pattern, right? The "simply" part is actually not simple. Or quick for that matter
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
double post.
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Bro, do you even read?ORIGINAL: rustysiSimply build up said base(s) while doing other things and do the built up base(s) later.ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Is 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory?
High ops losses of airframes? Simply build up said base
Transport TFs unload slowly? Simply build up said base
Just a bit too little VPs for the auto victory? Simply build up said base
You see the pattern, right? The word "simply" is actually not simply, or quickly
OK, no need to get one's shorts in a bunch.[:D] TBH maybe I'm missing your point or intent. To me it is 'simply', as Japan has so much to do in the first place. I can 'simply' do one thing and then move to the next. If you wish to lose supply to 'wastage' that's fine, but I do not. I'd rather wait to increase the base size, then move in the supplies to increase the bases' production levels.
BTW I did do a cursory check one time long ago. I think Yaab asked if anyone knew what the 'wastage rate' was. Well I had just taken Palembang and it was in a 'small wastage' state. I don't recall by how much. At any rate I was 'wasting' ~3% oil/day (I know that's not supply, but its the one time I checked). AFAIK that number would increase the higher the overstock level. Just like supply at Atolls.
Anyway back to the post.
High ops losses of airframes? Simply build up said base
More to it. Weather, fatigue, experience, opposition. Is there more?
Transport TFs unload slowly? Simply build up said base
Use a different base or add NS devices.
Just a bit too little VPs for the auto victory? Simply build up said base
Would expect my opponent to be doing the same to counter.
So maybe these are not so simple.
Is 20 supply wastage worth a day early repair to the particular factory?
To you this is acceptable, that's fine. As I've said though I prefer to take care of other business and to build up those that may cause me some wastage a bit later.
Just a style of play. And also I post differing views, not to be a PITA, but just to express an opposing opinion. No desire to ruffle anyone's feathers. As always JMHO and YMMV.
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
To use a term that you hear a bit where I live, “pacifically”, the choice at Gifu boils down to:
1. Get the aircraft and research factories setup ASAP to bring on the benefits, or
2. Delay your aircraft plans while you spend time waiting for engineers to arrive, then spend Supply building the airfield up a bit.
To me the choice makes itself for a few reasons
1. I concentrate my engineers priority 1 on Port construction. Fusan for every construction unit in Manchukuo and Ominato for the one or two in Japan. Airfield construction in Japan is a luxury that I’ll probably save until 1943.
2. I want more early war fighters ASAP and Gifu has a few factories of those.
3. I don’t want to waste a day of research time so want to get those research factories set and forget for a few months
So it’s either waste Supply for a few days or waste time (months in my view). Decisions decisions...
1. Get the aircraft and research factories setup ASAP to bring on the benefits, or
2. Delay your aircraft plans while you spend time waiting for engineers to arrive, then spend Supply building the airfield up a bit.
To me the choice makes itself for a few reasons
1. I concentrate my engineers priority 1 on Port construction. Fusan for every construction unit in Manchukuo and Ominato for the one or two in Japan. Airfield construction in Japan is a luxury that I’ll probably save until 1943.
2. I want more early war fighters ASAP and Gifu has a few factories of those.
3. I don’t want to waste a day of research time so want to get those research factories set and forget for a few months
So it’s either waste Supply for a few days or waste time (months in my view). Decisions decisions...
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RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
Decisions decisions...
Always.[:)]
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
RE: Assigning Supplies Required at bases in Japan
What I plan to do is to set the r&d a/c factories in Gifu to mid/late war models, so supply consumption gets differed a little. Existing a/c factories continue producing as they are (really only the Ida is a terrible choice here, Thalia / Lily are ok choices) until they get swapped for another (not so)early war airframe (eg Rufe/Zero). This leaves *just* 5 engine factories to take care of, until we get *ONE* base size increase. Just 1 size will allow easy stockpiling for a while.