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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?

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ORIGINAL: CV60

Possible error in the SA-8 /SA-N-4 GECKO series. (Weapon_850; Weapon_574; Weapon_1422; Weapon_1829; Weapon_1828; Weapon_2043). These are listed in the database as using SARH homing. In fact, they use command guidance with the POPGROUP (SA-N-4 series) or the LAND ROLL-series FC system (SA-8 series) The following citations confirm the command guidance

I found the same problem as far as I used old soviet SAMs for the first time.

Even the SA-2 Guidelines, textbook example of command guidance, are SARH guided.

With the new program updates about target fire control information acquisition, I think the reason for these changes before is to prevent any idiots (like me) using an AN/SPY-3 on Zumwalts providing FC, and swat all F-35s from the sky with these flying telephone poles.

It's super unreal, like AEGIS equipped Iowas (which I'd done before... I love these freaky ideas).

But with recent updates on simulation mechanics, maybe we can hope for a more authentic behaviour for those veterans?

...and I will stick an AN/SPY-X on Fan Song and swat everything from the sky[:D]
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I dont know if this is relevant or not
but the Type 26 Frigate in DBID respectively #2795, #2514 has a new sonar name Type 2150
Source:
https://www.ultra-css.com/media/ultra-e ... 6-frigates
http://www.deagel.com/Sensor-Systems/So ... 91002.aspx
https://defpost.com/ultra-electronics-s ... c-program/

Thanks for bringing this awesome game, Cheers
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?

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(v1.15 Build 1009.27.14/DB3000 Build 477)
One of my never-come true scenarios is WWIII-Battle of the Atlantic scenario and
I came up with carrying Harrier on marchant vessel (modern MAC!), as an interceptor for fussy Bear.

Luckily, DB3000 database has Atlantic Conveyor, British RO/RO vessel which was used as actual "Harrier Carrier" in Falklands War.
However, Atlantic Conveyor couldn't carry Harrier (I tried Marines AV-8A/#2399 and Harrier GR.3/#787), showing "Out of space!" message
(I was able to add Helicopters though).

I checked Aircraft size of Harrier and Parking Spot Capacity of Atlantic Convayor, the former is "Medium Aircraft (12.1-18m Long)"
and the latter is "Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)" so there seems to be no problem (at least physically) to carry Harrier.

Moreover, I noticed any destoyer/cruiser could not carry Harrier even if they had Medium Aircraft-capability Helipad, while
US LHA or Japanese Hyuga or Izumo-class DDH could carry Harrier or F-35B on their the same Medium Aircraft-capability Parking Spot.

My hypothethesis is, whether a ship could carry fixed wing aircraft is determined by ship's category (Surface Combatant, Carrier (Aviation Carrier)...)

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ORIGINAL: lumiere
My hypothethesis is, whether a ship could carry fixed wing aircraft is determined by ship's category (Surface Combatant, Carrier (Aviation Carrier)...)

That's correct.

The Atlantic Conveyor transported Harriers to the Falklands AO where they then transferred to the carriers to commence ops. I don't think they were routinely landing and taking off from the Atlantic Conveyor...
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor

One Chinook of B flight No. 18 Squadron RAF left Atlantic Conveyor to support operations on Ascension. With the aircraft stored she then set sail for the South Atlantic. On arrival off the Falklands in mid-May, all of the Harriers were off-loaded to the carriers; the GR.3s going to HMS Hermes while the Sea Harriers were divided amongst the existing squadrons on Hermes and HMS Invincible. With the additional aircraft on Hermes a Lynx HAS.2 helicopter was flown and parked on Atlantic Conveyor on 20 May 1982.

However I suppose they did obviously have the capability to do so, so I'll update the vessel type to allow fixed wing ops.
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Thanks!!
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In fact at the Atlantic Conveyor deck was in "Deck Alert 20" an uncocooned Sea Harrier with 2xSidewinder (the other 6xHarrier GR.3 and 7xSea Harrier were cocooned as protection against the sea action):
Between many sources:
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2012/04/ ... lklands30/ (with photo)
https://www.airspacemag.com/military-av ... -32214512/
https://books.google.es/books?id=fs6PAg ... rt&f=false
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News about “Block 2 Growler”

Proposed Upgrades include
-enhancements to Northrop Grumman’s ALQ-218 sensor system
-low-drag conformal fuel tanks


https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... re-lethal/


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Any chance F/A-18 Super Hornet block 3 (advanced super hornet) can be added? Also growler variant? Maybe as hypothetical for now?

Conformal fuel tanks with 3500lb fuel
50% reduced frontal rcs
Enclosed weapons bay
Internal IRST
Enhanced engines with increased thrust and fuel efficiency

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/02/17/trum ... r-hornets/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_ ... per_Hornet
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... aft-2017-2
http://www.defenseone.com/business/2017 ... 35/136614/
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The MALD and MALD-J are too slow.


According to these sources, the speed should be increased to around 600kts (~Mach 0.9) for the ADM-160B MALD and ADM-160C MALD-J

Sources:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110901125 ... 06.html#m4
https://www.airforce-technology.com/pro ... t-vehicle/
(note: MALAD is just a typo)
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Four Type 051 Destroyers are decommissioned, it’s time to put (-2019) in the asset name:

https://twitter.com/dafengcao/status/11 ... 1379582976
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Noted, thanks.

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The 2016 and 2018 database entries for the British FGR.4 Typhoon and T.3 Typhoon (#4703, #1033, #4704, and #3625) currently have the CAPTOR-E AESA radar. In reality, all Typhoon variants still have the older CAPTOR mechanically scanned radars. The first CAPTOR-E is not scheduled for delivery until mid-2019, and the customer is Kuwait, not Britain. As far as I can tell, Britain currently has no formal plan to upgrade its fleet to CAPTOR-E, but a hypothetical mid-2020's upgrade might be worth including in the database.

Source; https://www.airforce-technology.com/new ... r-e-radar/ (second to last paragraph)
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Please,
- Add for soviet aircraft carriers Pr.1143 - 1143.4 properties:
8107 Refuel from Starboard x 2 (In)
8006 Refuel to Starboard x 2 (Out)
9106 Replenish from Starboard x 2 (In)
9006 Replenish to Starboard x 2 (Out)

- Increase Hangar (ship aircraft facilities 120, 122, 123) capacity up to 36.
- Decrease Open Parking (ship aircraft facilities 120) capacity to 10.
- Increase aviation fuel (477) for 148 TAKR Admiral Gorshkov up to 1500 tones
- Increase aviation fuel for others up to 1200 tones

Carriers:
148 TAKR Admiral Gorshkov [Pr.1143.4 Krechyet]
149 TAKR Novorossiysk [Pr.1143.3 Krechyet]
150 TAKR Kiev [Pr.1143 Krechyet]
1532 TAKR Novorossiysk [Pr.1143.3 Krechyet]
1533 TAKR Kiev [Pr.1143 Krechyet]
1979 TAKR Minsk [Pr.1143 Krechyet]
1980 TAKR Minsk [Pr.1143 Krechyet]
2154 TAKR Kiev [Pr.1143 Krechyet]
2282 TAKR Minsk [Pr.1143 Krechyet]

Sources:
Pr. 1143 Kiev http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-366.html
Pr. 11434 Modified Kiev http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-368.html
Zabolotskiy V.P. Heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Kiev" http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2004_04/
Zabolotskiy V.P. Heavy aircraft carrying cruisers "Minsk", "Novorossiysk", "Baku" http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK ... /index.htm
Apalkov Y.V. Battleships ISBN 978-903080-40-3

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Roman,

Logged. Thanks for the references. This request is in the (relatively long) list of DB3K data base modifications.
Please be patient - changes are not done immediately - each change is prioritized, some will require further research and some will not result in a change. As appropriate, changes will be included in the next data base update.

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I've found that F-35s (at least the 2025 USAF F-35A in DB3000 #477) are incapable of detecting P-18s passively. I went and checked the database and it appears that the ASQ-239 only detects frequencies between 1GHz and 40GHz (while the P-18 operates in Band A).

There isn't any public data on what specific bands or frequencies the F-35's ASQ-239 is meant to be able to detect, but the ASQ-239 (or at least the passive ESM aspect of it that we're talking about) has 2 primary duties; one being the operation as an RWR (which in itself would involve detecting a wide number of bands), and the other being a passive geolocation system for locating SAMs.

SAM fire control radars do pretty much exclusively operate at 1GHz+, but with the F-35 designed to combat threats like the S-300 and S-400 (with supporting VHF Nebo-M, etc radars), it seems illogical for these jets to not be capable of detecting VHF radars like the P-18 (especially when a P-18 specifically was fairly instrumental in the downing of an F-117 over Serbia).

To play devil's advocate, diagrams like the one below describe the ASQ-239 as having Band 2/3/4 coverage (there's also plans in Block 4 to expand Band 2 & add Band 5 coverage), which means it lacks Band 1, but Band 1/2/3/4/5 are classified internal Pentagon or JSF Program Office definitions, so for all we know, Band 2 may only start at something like 500MHz, or it might start at something like 50MHz.

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Logged. Added to the list of changes, fixes and update requests.

Thanks for the input.

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South Korean LPH 6112 ROKS Marado has slightly different configurations that first ship (#670 LPH-6111 Dokdo) so maybe new entry?

IOC 2020

Change Displayed nicely in this pictures below

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/co ... _over_her/

https://www.janes.com/article/88689/sou ... sea-trials

https://www.janes.com/article/80340/sou ... okdo-class

https://navaltoday.com/2018/05/15/korea ... the-water/

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Broad torpedo updates for Canadian Navy. Need update aircraft, ships, records, mounts

Canadians finally get MK 54 Torpedoes. Replace MK-46 Mod 5 on helicopters, MPA and frigates.

https://www.janes.com/article/88712/us- ... for-canada

Thank yous!

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Ethiopia got standard Pantsyr-s1 systems. Same as others in db.

https://www.janes.com/article/87324/eth ... 1-revealed

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