OT - Blitzkrieg China

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Kublai Khan's conquest of Chungking.

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So he severed the Burma horsepath?
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Other than the plan that you'd conquer China there is absolutely no plan at all that you'd be able to amsss the Greater East Asia Co-Sporsperity Sphere.

Unfortunately the real world demanded that the Japanese exhibit such a real world superiority that the Chinese would have to surrender (I have to admit that the weirdest thing about AE:WitP has ALWAYS BEEN THAT JAPAN COULD SOLVE ITS PROBLEMS BY DECLARING WAR ON THE REST OF THE WORLD}.
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But what leaderships position wouldn't want to subject its own citizens to a caprisious set of variables?
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There may be a few games that turn out this way but thankfully the worid doesn't have to do 7t
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The map looks like the Great March in reverse.
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ORIGINAL: spence

Other than the plan that you'd conquer China there is absolutely no plan at all that you'd be able to amsss the Greater East Asia Co-Sporsperity Sphere.

Unfortunately the real world demanded that the Japanese exhibit such a real world superiority that the Chinese would have to surrender (I have to admit that the weirdest thing about AE:WitP has ALWAYS BEEN THAT JAPAN COULD SOLVE ITS PROBLEMS BY DECLARING WAR ON THE REST OF THE WORLD}.
Well they already tried isolating themselves and pretending the rest of the world didn't matter, and that didn't work out. Still countries trying that approach though ...
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And an hour later you are hungry for more territory.






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So he severed the Burma horsepath?

Not severed, shaved. Burma Shave.

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So he severed the Burma horsepath?

Not severed, shaved. Burma Shave.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: spence

Other than the plan that you'd conquer China there is absolutely no plan at all that you'd be able to amsss the Greater East Asia Co-Sporsperity Sphere.

Unfortunately the real world demanded that the Japanese exhibit such a real world superiority that the Chinese would have to surrender (I have to admit that the weirdest thing about AE:WitP has ALWAYS BEEN THAT JAPAN COULD SOLVE ITS PROBLEMS BY DECLARING WAR ON THE REST OF THE WORLD}.
Well they already tried isolating themselves and pretending the rest of the world didn't matter, and that didn't work out. Still countries trying that approach though ...
Damned if you try and shut yourself in. Damned if you try and make friends. Damned if you try and assert yourself. Yep, that's Japan.
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ORIGINAL: Technopiper

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: spence

Other than the plan that you'd conquer China there is absolutely no plan at all that you'd be able to amsss the Greater East Asia Co-Sporsperity Sphere.

Unfortunately the real world demanded that the Japanese exhibit such a real world superiority that the Chinese would have to surrender (I have to admit that the weirdest thing about AE:WitP has ALWAYS BEEN THAT JAPAN COULD SOLVE ITS PROBLEMS BY DECLARING WAR ON THE REST OF THE WORLD}.
Well they already tried isolating themselves and pretending the rest of the world didn't matter, and that didn't work out. Still countries trying that approach though ...
Damned if you try and shut yourself in. Damned if you try and make friends. Damned if you try and assert yourself. Yep, that's Japan.


I get the first and third parst, but can't fathom the second part.


Where and when, between the first and third parts, did they ever try to make friends?


If they had, they wouldn't have had to try the third part to get what they needed.


Engaging in friendly trade would have gotten them everything they failed to acquire through conquest.
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Well they already tried isolating themselves and pretending the rest of the world didn't matter, and that didn't work out. Still countries trying that approach though ...
Damned if you try and shut yourself in. Damned if you try and make friends. Damned if you try and assert yourself. Yep, that's Japan.


I get the first and third parst, but can't fathom the second part.


Where and when, between the first and third parts, did they ever try to make friends?


If they had, they wouldn't have had to try the third part to get what they needed.


Engaging in friendly trade would have gotten them everything they failed to acquire through conquest.

The 1930s were nothing like the post Bretton Wood world.

Third party friendly trade collapsed. "International" trade was conducted overwhelmingly between countries which were politically connected. This is why the maintenance of colonies was so important; the metrolpolitan sent out to its colonies manufactured goods and the colonies/dominions sent their raw materials to the metrolpolitan.

This state of affairs was largely achieved with two levers of policy. Punitive tariffs were imposed on imports from all third party and exchange rate controls were imposed which prevented entering into contracts with third parties. There simply was no third party market for the chief Japanese surplus industrial production.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
I get the first and third parst, but can't fathom the second part.

Where and when, between the first and third parts, did they ever try to make friends?

If they had, they wouldn't have had to try the third part to get what they needed.
Engaging in friendly trade would have gotten them everything they failed to acquire through conquest

The 1930s were nothing like the post Bretton Wood world.

Third party friendly trade collapsed. "International" trade was conducted overwhelmingly between countries which were politically connected. This is why the maintenance of colonies was so important; the metrolpolitan sent out to its colonies manufactured goods and the colonies/dominions sent their raw materials to the metrolpolitan.

This state of affairs was largely achieved with two levers of policy. Punitive tariffs were imposed on imports from all third party and exchange rate controls were imposed which prevented entering into contracts with third parties. There simply was no third party market for the chief Japanese surplus industrial production.

Alfred
To add to what Alfred said. This was a Great Depression world, where all developed countries engaged in severe protectionism in hopes (misguided) of propping up their own producers and economies. So nobody would welcome Japanese goods on their markets even with good enough political terms.
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ORIGINAL: GetAssista
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
I get the first and third parst, but can't fathom the second part.

Where and when, between the first and third parts, did they ever try to make friends?

If they had, they wouldn't have had to try the third part to get what they needed.
Engaging in friendly trade would have gotten them everything they failed to acquire through conquest

The 1930s were nothing like the post Bretton Wood world.

Third party friendly trade collapsed. "International" trade was conducted overwhelmingly between countries which were politically connected. This is why the maintenance of colonies was so important; the metrolpolitan sent out to its colonies manufactured goods and the colonies/dominions sent their raw materials to the metrolpolitan.

This state of affairs was largely achieved with two levers of policy. Punitive tariffs were imposed on imports from all third party and exchange rate controls were imposed which prevented entering into contracts with third parties. There simply was no third party market for the chief Japanese surplus industrial production.

Alfred
To add to what Alfred said. This was a Great Depression world, where all developed countries engaged in severe protectionism in hopes (misguided) of propping up their own producers and economies. So nobody would welcome Japanese goods on their markets even with good enough political terms.

What goods were they producing other than for internal consumption and military expansion?
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"A detailed examination of the export recovery process during the1930s reveals that the main export items and destinations changed considerably over time.
This paper attempts to verify the effects of relative price decreases caused by exchange rate depreciation upon export expansion for different industries, destinations, and periods.
The United States, India, and Korea are selected as destinations of Japanese export products, namely, raw silk, cotton fabrics, and heavy industrial and chemical products."


http://www.imes.boj.or.jp/english/publi ... 20-3-5.pdf






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Thanks for finding the article. Looks like 50% of Japanese exports were textiles/raw silk. Japanese textile exports went up against the UK in Asian markets (fierce competition). Vast majority of raw silk went to the US (no competition). Industrial and chemical products were exported to colonial/semi-colonial possessions. Interesting stuff. I'll have to read it more fully later.

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