Banzais Don't Make Victories - Anachro (A) vs John 3rd (J) BTS 5.7
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July 22 1942
@Canoerebel If I remember (and I could be wrong), stock DBB is like that as well. Below is the 70th as it appears in John's mod.
July 22 1942
Not a very interesting day so won't write much. It appears John does have a division in the hex south of Ranchi, but I seem to scare him with my units appearing to move towards him from Ranchi and he appears to be moving his units southeast. I think my defenses in this theater are pretty good and recon so far does not show major efforts towards my center. Is John going to push or will he start retrenching and building defenses? A few emails back, John mentioned he was getting frustrated and might try something risky, bold, and aggressive. Perhaps whenever KB remakes its appearance (haven't seen it for a month or more), he'll try landing with divisions directly at Bombay or something.
In China, my new defensive line is forming. All the terrain south of Chungking is very good.
CV Enterprise, Saratoga, and Wasp all join Lexington in port at Pearl Harbor today. They will begin their refits tomorrow.
July 22 1942
Not a very interesting day so won't write much. It appears John does have a division in the hex south of Ranchi, but I seem to scare him with my units appearing to move towards him from Ranchi and he appears to be moving his units southeast. I think my defenses in this theater are pretty good and recon so far does not show major efforts towards my center. Is John going to push or will he start retrenching and building defenses? A few emails back, John mentioned he was getting frustrated and might try something risky, bold, and aggressive. Perhaps whenever KB remakes its appearance (haven't seen it for a month or more), he'll try landing with divisions directly at Bombay or something.
In China, my new defensive line is forming. All the terrain south of Chungking is very good.
CV Enterprise, Saratoga, and Wasp all join Lexington in port at Pearl Harbor today. They will begin their refits tomorrow.
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July 23-25 1942
July 23-25 1942
Not much has happened over the last few turns, so I'll give a brief update on the situation in India and then discuss future plans in the near-medium term elsewhere.
India
In India, there have been no movements around Asanol/Jamshedpur and I can discern no movements heading towards Raipur. Indeed, the only movements I can see are in a southern direction. Moreover, John has one division on the outskirts of Bezwada and one division still sitting at Cocanada with no movement back towards Calcutta. If he planned to make a concerted push back at my main lines of defense, I would think he'd need to move his forces back from the west, but he is not doing so. As of now, I see no need to reinforce the west, but this can easily be done, with my other British divisions set to strat to quickly move if needed. The 18th British Division arrived a Bezwada, along with some base units and AA. The hex now has 859 AV and 3 forts (building towards 4).
If John does move this way and somehow breaks through, I have already been building defenses from early on here. Madras is at 6 forts and 37% of the way to 7 forts with 484 AV (26th Indian Division + 267th Armored Brigade). Warangal has base units and planes at the moment only, but has level 5 forts (the 2nd British division is moving here).
While this is going on, since John seems to have drawn down forces around Calcutta and there is little pressure on me. The 70th British ID, 7th Australian ID, 41st US ID, and potentially 40th US ID, will move at the division east of Asanol (in a jungle hex) or on Asanol itself (clear hex), where John now only has 883 AV and 2 Divisions, and Ind. Artillery Unit.
Elsewhere
I am planning taking Canton, Baker, Vaiutpu, and Funafuti - these are not so much major operations as they are quick events using fast transports (garrisons in these areas are light or non-existent). I just want to deny John deep eyes on my LOC in the SoPac.
At the same time, I will do landings at Sagigk Island, Seguam Island: one is a green dot, one is a very lightly held Japanese island with 1 airbase. Both of these are very close to Adak. The goal here is not to setup future invasions of Adak in the medium term, but to make John think I plan to do this. These landings will happen before landings elsewhere. A tangential benefit is that I could of course do future landings at Adak.
After these, I will do a landing at Ndeni and potentially go for Lunga and hopefully draw John's attention there. Meanwhile, forces are planning for Ceylon in India, where John seems to have very little. Actually, John seems to have very little anywhere except India.
Air Losses for the 25th
Not much has happened over the last few turns, so I'll give a brief update on the situation in India and then discuss future plans in the near-medium term elsewhere.
India
In India, there have been no movements around Asanol/Jamshedpur and I can discern no movements heading towards Raipur. Indeed, the only movements I can see are in a southern direction. Moreover, John has one division on the outskirts of Bezwada and one division still sitting at Cocanada with no movement back towards Calcutta. If he planned to make a concerted push back at my main lines of defense, I would think he'd need to move his forces back from the west, but he is not doing so. As of now, I see no need to reinforce the west, but this can easily be done, with my other British divisions set to strat to quickly move if needed. The 18th British Division arrived a Bezwada, along with some base units and AA. The hex now has 859 AV and 3 forts (building towards 4).
If John does move this way and somehow breaks through, I have already been building defenses from early on here. Madras is at 6 forts and 37% of the way to 7 forts with 484 AV (26th Indian Division + 267th Armored Brigade). Warangal has base units and planes at the moment only, but has level 5 forts (the 2nd British division is moving here).
While this is going on, since John seems to have drawn down forces around Calcutta and there is little pressure on me. The 70th British ID, 7th Australian ID, 41st US ID, and potentially 40th US ID, will move at the division east of Asanol (in a jungle hex) or on Asanol itself (clear hex), where John now only has 883 AV and 2 Divisions, and Ind. Artillery Unit.
Elsewhere
I am planning taking Canton, Baker, Vaiutpu, and Funafuti - these are not so much major operations as they are quick events using fast transports (garrisons in these areas are light or non-existent). I just want to deny John deep eyes on my LOC in the SoPac.
At the same time, I will do landings at Sagigk Island, Seguam Island: one is a green dot, one is a very lightly held Japanese island with 1 airbase. Both of these are very close to Adak. The goal here is not to setup future invasions of Adak in the medium term, but to make John think I plan to do this. These landings will happen before landings elsewhere. A tangential benefit is that I could of course do future landings at Adak.
After these, I will do a landing at Ndeni and potentially go for Lunga and hopefully draw John's attention there. Meanwhile, forces are planning for Ceylon in India, where John seems to have very little. Actually, John seems to have very little anywhere except India.
Air Losses for the 25th
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July 26 1942
July 26 1942
Japan launches a bombing raid on Madras today. Didn't know what the Liz was and finally checked it out. Japan has a heavy bomber. Great. Extended radius of 29. Fighters and AA move to Madras.
Other Happenings
Japan launches a bombing raid on Madras today. Didn't know what the Liz was and finally checked it out. Japan has a heavy bomber. Great. Extended radius of 29. Fighters and AA move to Madras.
Afternoon Air attack on Madras , at 35,40
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
G5N2 Liz x 39
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 29
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
G5N2 Liz: 13 damaged
G5N2 Liz: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 40 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 47
Aircraft Attacking:
19 x G5N2 Liz bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 12 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x G5N2 Liz bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 12 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Other Happenings
Sub attack near Kochi at 106,62
Japanese Ships
xAK Taijima Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Grunion
xAK Taijima Maru is sighted by SS Grunion
SS Grunion attacking on the surface
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RE: July 26 1942
Too funny.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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RE: July 26 1942
No it's a real airplane, not pressed in mass production IRL for a number of reasons, not a fantasy;
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RE: July 26 1942
That's one good definition of fantasy.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: July 26 1942
The hell?
Oh well, that's John for you.
Oh well, that's John for you.
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RE: July 26 1942
ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
No it's a real airplane, not pressed in mass production IRL for a number of reasons, not a fantasy;
All 6 of them( with 4 as transports ) were "real" aircraft.
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RE: July 26 1942
Remember the guy (was it 5th Guards Army or Marky or somebody else?) who contended that Emilys armed with torpedoes would've been the death of the Allied navies. It turned into a mania for him. He just couldn't let it go. And, of course, the notion was silly, so sensible people called him on it...which fed his sense of persecution.
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RE: July 26 1942
I believe this was a knock off of a Douglas DC-4. Japan manged to produce about 6 of these and they were relegated to transport duty. Japan did not have the production chops to mass produce reliable 4 EBs They had about the same GDP as Italy. 1st it was the 34 knot CVL's that had bombs simply bounce off the heavily armored flight decks and now mass production of a 4EB that is somewhere between a B-17 and a B-29 in 1942. This is just silly
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RE: July 26 1942
No it's not silly; it was an underpowered airplane, thus the lower performances in his specs here; and it's not produced for free, it has a cost, of 4 ENG per specimen, it's a lot for Japan;
the long range I guess it's his own real one;
It was later developed in the G6N Rita;
again not mass produced because of the dire industrial and economic conditions in Japan and other priorities, but if you Allied commander do not pursue Japan's economic ruin but other goals, so why not pressing these bombers in service;
the long range I guess it's his own real one;
It was later developed in the G6N Rita;
again not mass produced because of the dire industrial and economic conditions in Japan and other priorities, but if you Allied commander do not pursue Japan's economic ruin but other goals, so why not pressing these bombers in service;
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RE: July 26 1942
The fantasy part here is armor and bomb load I guess.ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
No it's not silly; it was an underpowered airplane, thus the lower performances in his specs here; and it's not produced for free, it has a cost, of 4 ENG per specimen, it's a lot for Japan;
the long range I guess it's his own real one;
The former is funny for the underpowered long range plane built under the Japanese early war doctrine.
The latter was roughly the same as B-17 bombload. Not 50% more
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RE: July 26 1942
Anyone know what the monthly production of these bombers is in this mod?
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July 27-28 1942
@JohnDillworth Looking at the Scenario, it starts with 8/mo in Tokyo and obviously the Japanese player can increase it from there. Btw, below is the progression of Japan's heavy bomber program.
July 27-28 1942
Not much to report. John did another raid on Madras with middling results, didn't manage to inflict much damage on the Liz planes (most of my planes are still moving to Madras or repairing), but took down 8 of their Oscar escorts with just 5 low-tier British planes. AA and planes are more entrenched for the next few turns.
There has been little movement in India on John's part. Indeed, he seems to be drawing forces down at Asanol. It now has 4 units with potentially only 2 divisions. The division east of Asanol in the jungle hex is moving in to it. A lot of forces have disappeared and probably have railed south to go where I know not. The only possible direction is west towards Bezwada or Raipur. If John makes a major push towards Bezwada, I will send an AFV unit down from Raipur to cut the rail network and make a major push on Calcutta. If he goes for Raipur, I'll move units down from Jamshedpur to also cut the rail. The 41st ID, 7th Aussie ID, and 7th Armored Brigade are hidden two hexes north of Asanol. The 70th British ID is at Patna, as is the 159th Mot. Infantry Regiment. Given the good rail/road network, they can very quickly move down. That's 1350 AV added to the 1300 AV already at Asanol.
By the way, everything to the east of Calcutta is very lightly defended. Opportunities, but I'll want some airfields down there to cover my troops. Rajshahi has 2, Dacca 5.
July 27-28 1942
Not much to report. John did another raid on Madras with middling results, didn't manage to inflict much damage on the Liz planes (most of my planes are still moving to Madras or repairing), but took down 8 of their Oscar escorts with just 5 low-tier British planes. AA and planes are more entrenched for the next few turns.
There has been little movement in India on John's part. Indeed, he seems to be drawing forces down at Asanol. It now has 4 units with potentially only 2 divisions. The division east of Asanol in the jungle hex is moving in to it. A lot of forces have disappeared and probably have railed south to go where I know not. The only possible direction is west towards Bezwada or Raipur. If John makes a major push towards Bezwada, I will send an AFV unit down from Raipur to cut the rail network and make a major push on Calcutta. If he goes for Raipur, I'll move units down from Jamshedpur to also cut the rail. The 41st ID, 7th Aussie ID, and 7th Armored Brigade are hidden two hexes north of Asanol. The 70th British ID is at Patna, as is the 159th Mot. Infantry Regiment. Given the good rail/road network, they can very quickly move down. That's 1350 AV added to the 1300 AV already at Asanol.
By the way, everything to the east of Calcutta is very lightly defended. Opportunities, but I'll want some airfields down there to cover my troops. Rajshahi has 2, Dacca 5.
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July 29 1942
July 29 1942
John's email quote to me was "Berry—Berry quiet…" I feel like he's up to something. This turn consisted of my sub sinking a cargo ship outside of Tokyo and some very minor bombing raids on Asanol. Other than that, nothing. However, the big piece of info is that John seems to have offloaded more units at Calcutta. Last turn something like 7-9 Enemy units there. This turn shows 25 units and 739 AFV. Has John brought all the tank regiments in the Japanese army to India? Where are they going, I wonder?
The division outside of Bezwada seems to have pulled back. We will recon the adjacent hex.
Ranchi reaches level 4 forts today. Asanol is 90% of the way to level 5 forts. Jamshedpur is 60% to level 5 forts. Raipur is 70% to level 4 forts. Bezwada has 900 AV and is 20% to level 4 forts.
John's email quote to me was "Berry—Berry quiet…" I feel like he's up to something. This turn consisted of my sub sinking a cargo ship outside of Tokyo and some very minor bombing raids on Asanol. Other than that, nothing. However, the big piece of info is that John seems to have offloaded more units at Calcutta. Last turn something like 7-9 Enemy units there. This turn shows 25 units and 739 AFV. Has John brought all the tank regiments in the Japanese army to India? Where are they going, I wonder?
The division outside of Bezwada seems to have pulled back. We will recon the adjacent hex.
Ranchi reaches level 4 forts today. Asanol is 90% of the way to level 5 forts. Jamshedpur is 60% to level 5 forts. Raipur is 70% to level 4 forts. Bezwada has 900 AV and is 20% to level 4 forts.
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RE: July 27-28 1942
Looking at the Scenario, it starts with 8/mo in Tokyo and obviously the Japanese player can increase it from there. Btw, below is the progression of Japan's heavy bomber program.
I think this is an "all the toys" fantasy scenario. I guess by the time he can build the Rita there will be little use for it. Bit of a gunship that one.One wonders what other surprises are coming up?
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RE: July 27-28 1942
Ritas appear in AndyMac's Ironman scenarios and I have nicknamed them PITA's.
They are bears that routinely shoot down first line day and night fighters and almost always get through.
They are bears that routinely shoot down first line day and night fighters and almost always get through.
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RE: July 27-28 1942
It really is a beast; I mean look at that thing. Not too shabby compared to the B-29 and even has a lower SR!
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RE: July 27-28 1942
And there's an upgrade to the Rita with armor of 2.
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