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This is the scene. The Allied fleets have moved away, but the Armies continue to land on Hokkaido. I don't realistically thin the Japanese can get into a good enough position to stop the Allied massed force at Kushiro, but I have to give it a go.

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I was trying to read just one side of this conflict and then go back and read the other after it was over. Couldn't help myself.

So... great AAR and thanks for writing it!

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Post by adarbrauner »

Could anyone please list the penalties for "overstacking"?

1 - significantly greater supply usage-waste (how much greater, moreabout?)

2- Hans Bolter once hinted in greater losses to bombardments (would make sense). Indeed?

3- Any penalties in combat?
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ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Could anyone please list the penalties for "overstacking"?

1 - significantly greater supply usage-waste (how much greater, moreabout?)

2- Hans Bolter once hinted in greater losses to bombardments (would make sense). Indeed?

3- Any penalties in combat?


I have been playing exclusively with stacking limits for over two years now and will never play without them. The limits don't appear to be arbitrary, but rather to have been thoroughly thought out.

No stacking limits not only facilitates, but encourages unrealistic mega stacks.


Effects I have noted in addition to enhanced supply usage:


1. Increased losses to enemy bomardments. I have seen this get so crazy that I was foirced to reduce the overstack to relieve its effect. I'm not just hinting at this, I'm stating it uncategorically.


2. Suppressed ability to recover from high fatigue.


3. Suppressed ability to recover from low morale.


4. Suppressed ability to recover from high disruption.


5. Increased losses from a failed shock attack. This can be disastrous.

Effects 2-4 can cause you to have to pull units out of the hex to recover. I have seen this quite a bit.
We all know how the ground copmbat routine selects one or two units to be the lead attackers and take the brunt of the damage.
Sometimes I have had to pull these units out and replace them with a fresh unit, sending them somehwere more conducive to recovery.
The dynamic of how you prosecute the attack changes considerable with stacking limits.
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BTW, did the recent landings trigger Home Island reinforcements? If so what did you get?
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


1. Increased losses to enemy bomardments. I have seen this get so crazy that I was foirced to reduce the overstack to relieve its effect. I'm not just hinting at this, I'm stating it uncategorically.

Plus aerial bombing runs.

All of it effects affect combat, but like most aspects of the game it seems tied to probability and degree. Some overstack is generally okay, especially on the defense. I have gone to defenders at 130% on Atolls with good results. In China, as attackers I start to see serious combat degradation around 150%.

I have messed around with using the overstack in reserve mode but I don't haven enough n to draw any conclusions here.
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Post by Lokasenna »

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Wonderful picture.

Still, do you think that in that piece of land 150 k soldiers per each side of the front, including the supports and backward elements, could not be accommodated?

But I get the point of penalization in logistics, coordination, terrain, high density;

the point is how to render this - in a war game of such a scale and scope;

I mean, for reference... the D-Day landings were ~150K Allied troops and ~50K Germans.

With an additional 1.3M troops landed over the course of the next 7 weeks, and a further 700K in the 5 weeks after that.

An aside, but to me the truly stupendous thing about D-Day is not that it was done... but that at the same time (9 days later), an invasion nearly as large (in terms of initial landings) was begun at Saipan, with many more ships to boot.
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

BTW, did the recent landings trigger Home Island reinforcements? If so what did you get?

The Wakkanai landings triggered reinforcements. It's a pretty sad package. About 8-9 "depot divisions" which are understrength and poor experience IDs. Still, I'll take it, as they've been a good stop-gap to add numbers to the "visible" defenses. Recon and Allied looks into possible landing sites play such an important part, even less capable units can provide a discouraging view if well allocated, I think.

The good thing going soon is that something like 10-12 better "full" IDs will arrive on Honshu and flesh out the already decent defenses there. It'll be less possible to isolate a base on Honshu and the rail network will allow a lot of units to move quickly into support.

If Kushiro falls, which is pretty likely, it will mean kamis come into play (at last). Rules kind of odd in this case. I don't have hem but if there was a size 1 airfield in the middle Philippines owned by the Allies that would give me kamis, not 120k Allied troops taking Wakkanai! [:D]
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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 11, 1945[/font]
Allied bombing runs on the tanks are interrupted nicely. A lot of 2Es lost there on the day, plus some escorts. The 4Es focus on Bihoro and Kushiro, and although flak does well, the bases are essentially shut and infantry stlll being disrupted.

The Allied heavy BBs are only sporadically involved, making m wonder. Did they take extra damage during landings and initial bombardments? Are they being saved for something else? Is there a quick follow-on planned?

The Japanese fighters are strong, and will be heavily LR CAPing the troops which are now moving into the contested hex. Hopefully I can get a hold of some B-29s in this campaign. The loss of Kushiro has some downsides, but I' most worried about a strategic bombing campaign, so if I can reduce Allied fighters and bomber strength, and especially get to the beasts while they're in non-strategic roles, that would be nearly worth the 150k Allied troops let loose on Hokkaido. [;)]
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 11, 1945
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Submarine attack near Kushiro at 124,52

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-D-121

Allied Ships
AK De Grasse, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

AK De Grasse is sighted by SSX Ha-D-121
SSX Ha-D-121 launches 2 torpedoes at AK De Grasse

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Night Naval bombardment of Bihoro at 123,51 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

238 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
CA Chicago II, Shell hits 2
CL Houston II
DD Johnston
DD Jenkins
DD Isherwood, Shell hits 1
DD Hickox
DD Gregory, Shell hits 1
DD Eaton, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Cotten
DD Cony
DMS Hambleton

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 10
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 2

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB South Dakota
BB South Dakota firing at Bihoro

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 24
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 27
Ki-83 x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 38
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 24

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 9
F6F-5 Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 28000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 124,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 38,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 7
N1K2-J George x 16
N1K5-J George x 44
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 19
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 14
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 25
Ki-84r Frank x 62
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 3
PV-1 Ventura x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
B-24J Liberator x 30
B-29-1 Superfort x 15
B-29-25 Superfort x 53
F-6D Mustang x 4
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 15 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 9 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 27 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 7
N1K2-J George x 16
N1K5-J George x 44
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 18
Ki-84r Frank x 62
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 10
PV-1 Ventura x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 5 destroyed
PV-1 Ventura: 2 destroyed


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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7191 troops, 487 guns, 298 vehicles, Assault Value = 4087

Defending force 61588 troops, 569 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 1426

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
25th Infantry Division
44th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
43rd Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2/4th Armoured Regiment
38th Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
4th Armoured Brigade
3rd Marine Division
767th Tank Battalion
96th Infantry Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
31st Infantry Division
775th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
3rd Motor Brigade
716th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
11th Airborne Div /1
I Corps Artillery
544th Field Artillery Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
IX Corps Artillery
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
694th Field Artillery Battalion
189th USAAF Base Force
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
147th Field Artillery Regiment
154th FA Bn
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
III US Amphib Corps
17th NZ AA Bde
33rd Medium Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
225th Field Artillery Battalion
738th Coast AA Regiment
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

Defending units:
38th Division
Kure 7th SNLF
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
Yangtze SNLF
14th Naval Guard Unit
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
8th Division
1st Engineer Co
1st Recon Regiment
Ichiki Det. /1
4th Air Army
17th Naval Construction Battalion
27th Special Base Force
51st Base Force
63rd JAAF AF Bn
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
49th Cavalry Regiment
13th JAAF Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

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Ground combat at 123,52 (near Kushiro)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1824 troops, 0 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 155

Defending force 624 troops, 0 guns, 118 vehicles, Assault Value = 24

Allied adjusted assault: 136

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 136 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 142 (142 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
763rd Tank Battalion
2nd Regiment
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn

Defending units:
22nd Tank Regiment

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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 12, 1945[/font]
A few things went well on the 12th. The turn started with some Es cruising to Sapporo to try and get Yamato back to Honshu, but found some subs to target on the way. Hawkbill goes under for good.

In the air LR CAP over the troops, Kushiro and Bihoro nets a good haul of both fighters and bombers. The Allied strikes don't do much in the end up here, and the loss ratio is the best for a while as so many good fighters are caught escorting, but the defenses still get through to bombers even in the big well escorted strikes.

The Allies are also up to something new in the South. a select of sweeps and strikes from Burma hit Bangkok, and the training groups there whittle them down with a positive ratio. The bombers, in many cases older versions including the last B-17E/F, take some lumps and white they do get through, don't close the field. It has about 20 damage. The groups though have a lot of damaged fighters, and there is a reason for all of this sudden attention.

Allied CVE, SCTFs and amphibs are seen offshore, 5 hexes from both Mergui and Victoria Point. I've got a few other filelds that are more secure, including Champion, Pisanoluke, and Prachup Kirikirikan. So I'll post some nearby DB, TB and 2E bombers around to see if I can't deflect this threat tomorrow. I also have one surface force steaming to Medan for a flank run in if needed.

I'd imagined this would have happened earlier, but I think everything arriving has probably been heading North. It's February so I'm happy to evacuate Burma if needed, but I'd like to hit the ships if possible too. A few divisions are in reserve along the rail route and now moving, and two tank divisions are able to apply quick relief if needed. I'll try to delay the push into the SRA as long as I can to keep the oil flowing. So far it's been going well, and tankers are very busy. [;)]
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Submarine attack near Sapporo at 119,50

Japanese Ships
E No.60
E No.36

Allied Ships
SS Hawkbill, hits 14, and is sunk

SS Hawkbill is sighted by escort
Hawkbill diving deep ....
E No.60 attacking submerged sub ....
SS Hawkbill forced to surface!

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Night Naval bombardment of Kushiro at 123,53

Allied Ships
BB Arkansas
CL St. Louis
DD Wren
DD Wedderburn
DD Walker
DD Thatcher
DD Chauncey
DD Bush

Japanese ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
Port hits 1

BB Arkansas firing at Kushiro
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL St. Louis

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Amphibious Assault at 124,52

TF 659 troops unloading over beach at 124,52

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 5th Marine Div /11

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Pre-Invasion action off Kushiro (123,53)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

664 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
APD Blessman
APD Newman

Allied ground losses:
373 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 39 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

8cm T88 DP Gun Battery engaging APD Blessman at 12,000 yards
APD Blessman firing to suppress enemy battery at 12,000 yards
APD Newman fired at enemy troops
APD Blessman fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 36
A6M5b Zero x 36
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49
Ki-84a Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 16th Canadian Brigade, at 122,53 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 21

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 1
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 1st Regiment, at 122,53 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 41

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 20 (5 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Combined 8th SNLF , at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 21
N1K2-J George x 14
N1K5-J George x 44
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 11
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 58

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 15
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 3
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 2
PV-1 Ventura x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 34
A6M5b Zero x 34
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 45
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 4
B-25J11 Mitchell x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Ki-84a Frank: 5 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 destroyed


Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
A6M5b Zero x 32
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
B-25J1 Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
A6M5b Zero x 29
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
A6M5b Zero x 26
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-24J Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged


Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 7th Division, at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 21
N1K2-J George x 14
N1K5-J George x 39
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 58

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
A6M5b Zero x 17
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 3 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 38
N1K5-J George x 66

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
A6M5b Zero x 14
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
A6M5b Zero x 9
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
A6M5b Zero x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 20000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 30
N1K5-J George x 65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 17000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 9
N1K5-J George x 24

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
B-29-25 Superfort x 19
F-6D Mustang x 16
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 12
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged
F-6D Mustang: 3 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

PB4Y-1 Liberator: 6 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 17000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 12
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-83 x 18
Ki-84b Frank x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 58

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 7
FM-2 Wildcat x 24
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PV-1 Ventura x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged
FM-2 Wildcat: 11 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PV-1 Ventura: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Combined 8th SNLF , at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-83 x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 15
Ki-84r Frank x 45

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15
P-51D Mustang x 32
PV-1 Ventura x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 10 destroyed
PV-1 Ventura: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Division, at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 1
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-83 x 2
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-83 x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
45 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 48935 troops, 453 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1550

Defending force 158097 troops, 2530 guns, 4094 vehicles, Assault Value = 4235

Japanese ground losses:
619 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 37 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th Division
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
49th Cavalry Regiment
1st Recon Regiment
8th Division
1st Engineer Co
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
Kure 7th SNLF
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
Yangtze SNLF
14th Naval Guard Unit
Ichiki Det. /1
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
51st Base Force
4th Air Army
63rd JAAF AF Bn
13th JAAF Base Force
17th Naval Construction Battalion
27th Special Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

Defending units:
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
767th Tank Battalion
38th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
775th Tank Battalion
96th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
11th Airborne Div /1
44th Tank Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
25th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
3rd Motor Brigade
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
4th Armoured Brigade
4th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
2/4th Armoured Regiment
37th Infantry Div /1
147th Field Artillery Regiment
17th NZ AA Bde
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I Corps Artillery
154th FA Bn
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
IX Corps Artillery
189th USAAF Base Force
XIV Corps Artillery
III US Amphib Corps
694th Field Artillery Battalion
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
738th Coast AA Regiment
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3


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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 148096 troops, 2262 guns, 3891 vehicles, Assault Value = 4232

Defending force 63251 troops, 576 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 1514

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 3752

Japanese adjusted defense: 1177

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7920 casualties reported
Squads: 113 destroyed, 536 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 93 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 89 disabled
Guns lost 133 (29 destroyed, 104 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
4468 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 511 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 187 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 146 disabled
Guns lost 151 (15 destroyed, 136 disabled)
Vehicles lost 202 (12 destroyed, 190 disabled)


Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade
4th USMC Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
38th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
96th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
2/4th Armoured Regiment
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
2nd Marine Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
44th Tank Battalion
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
11th Airborne Div /1
112th Cavalry Regiment
25th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
43rd Infantry Division
37th Infantry Div /1
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
17th NZ AA Bde
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
694th Field Artillery Battalion
XIV Corps Artillery
147th Field Artillery Regiment
IX Corps Artillery
III US Amphib Corps
33rd Medium Regiment
I Corps Artillery
154th FA Bn
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
738th Coast AA Regiment
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
189th USAAF Base Force
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

Defending units:
38th Division
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Engineer Co
1st Recon Regiment
Kure 7th SNLF
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Yangtze SNLF
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Division
14th Naval Guard Unit
49th Cavalry Regiment
Ichiki Det. /1
17th Naval Construction Battalion
4th Air Army
63rd JAAF AF Bn
13th JAAF Base Force
27th Special Base Force
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
51st Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

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On the day the Allied losses are extensive, with most fighters and 2E bombers taking the hits. I can't quite get to the B-29s as they're always flying with a lot of other bombers and defend so well.

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Hey Overt,

First, very nice spirited defense into 1945. This part of the game offers so many challenges. I appreciate your AAR.

Are you still using low layered CAP to defend against the air strikes or do the late war Japanese fighters allow a high CAP as well?

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Obvert, you should answers those CAP questions in code so the information doesn't fall into Allied hands! [:'(][:D]
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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 13, 1945[/font]
More carnage on the 13th. The Allies get some back in easy kills as the DS moves back in to just below Kushiro inviting three small TB groups to strike, as well as some stray Jakes on naval strikes in the IO. The battles that mattered were still about even in A to A and another good chunk taken out of USN pilots and airframe pools as the DS groups sweep over the troops on Hokkaido.

The IJA stack moves into the hex NW of Kushiro occupied by Allied armor, and the IJAAF strikes Allied ground positions effectively. Nice to hit something back. Virtually no losses as there was a 600+ fighter LR CAP over this hex. The Allies also struck and swept, and those were intense battles with varying losses for both sides. Key sweeps (mostly USN) failed miserably for the Allies, and again the 2Es paid a price while the 4Es stayed in formation, cut down IJ fighters and suffered only sporadic losses. Flak did it's job and losses were not as catastrophic as usual in clear territory, especially considering the number of B-29s involved, but they did enough to limit the DA at the end of the day to a 1:1. I'll rest for a day and hope more strikes come in, as new troops are arriving tomorrow. If there is still hope, we'll try again.

This would also give a good retreat path to the units at Kushiro should they fall in the next few days.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 13, 1945
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Sub attack near Sapporo at 118,50

Japanese Ships
E Ioshima
E Miyake

Allied Ships
SS Manta, hits 13

SS Manta launches 6 torpedoes at E Ioshima
Manta diving deep ....
E Miyake attacking submerged sub ....

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Night Naval bombardment of Kushiro at 123,53

Japanese Ships
SS I-41, hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Arkansas
CL St. Louis
DD Wren
DD Wedderburn
DD Walker
DD Thatcher
DD Chauncey
DD Bush

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port hits 1

BB Arkansas firing at 8th Division

Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 41,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 51
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 34
Ki-83 x 53
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 68
Ki-100-I Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 4
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18
Ki-83 x 51
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 48
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 44
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-83 x 38
Ki-84b Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 33

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 30
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-83 x 28
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 22
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-83 x 25
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 16
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-83 x 22
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 47,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 15

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
Corsair IV x 17
Hellcat I x 21
Hellcat F.II x 15
Seafire IIC x 25
Seafire L.III x 40
Spitfire VIII x 6
Thunderbolt I x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 47,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 15

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
Corsair IV x 17
Hellcat I x 21
Hellcat F.II x 15
Seafire IIC x 25
Seafire L.III x 40
Spitfire VIII x 6
Thunderbolt I x 3
P-38L Lightning x 9
P-40K Warhawk x 7
P-40N5 Warhawk x 22
P-51D Mustang x 12
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27
Ki-83 x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd NZ Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 54
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-100-I Tony x 37

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn , at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 37
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 54
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 22
Ki-83 x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 45 (5 destroyed, 40 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-83 x 22
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-83 x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 7th Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-83 x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 39
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 29 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 11 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
238 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 11 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 50
B-29-25 Superfort x 137

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 30 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 75 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 22000 feet
Ground Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
J2M5 Jack x 20
N1K2-J George x 7
N1K5-J George x 54
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38
Ki-83 x 44
Ki-84b Frank x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 76
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 5 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5
J2M5 Jack x 11
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 48
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-83 x 38
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 61
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 3
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 5
N1K5-J George x 35
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19
Ki-83 x 30
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 47
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 8
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 14
Ki-83 x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 35
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,54

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 37
B5N2 Kate x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 12
Corsair IV x 6
Hellcat I x 15
Hellcat F.II x 13
Seafire IIC x 17
Seafire L.III x 8
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 34
F4U-1A Corsair x 137
F4U-1D Corsair x 222
F6F-3 Hellcat x 430
F6F-5 Hellcat x 432

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 15 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,54

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 12
Corsair IV x 6
Hellcat I x 15
Hellcat F.II x 13
Seafire IIC x 17
Seafire L.III x 8
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 34
F4U-1A Corsair x 137
F4U-1D Corsair x 222
F6F-3 Hellcat x 427
F6F-5 Hellcat x 430

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Ground combat at 123,52 (near Kushiro)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30176 troops, 323 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 934

Defending force 4400 troops, 23 guns, 272 vehicles, Assault Value = 287

Japanese adjusted assault: 188

Allied adjusted defense: 138

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
767 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 119 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 24 (4 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
266 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 63 (3 destroyed, 60 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Amphibious Brigade
7th Division
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
61st Division
53rd Ind.Mixed Bde /2
134th AA Regiment
73rd Field AA Battalion
12th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
763rd Tank Battalion
2nd NZ Bde /9
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
2nd Regiment
112th Cavalry Rgt /6

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44893 troops, 441 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1123

Defending force 155210 troops, 2539 guns, 4115 vehicles, Assault Value = 3745

Japanese ground losses:
664 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 10 (5 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
38th Division
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
49th Cavalry Regiment
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment
Kure 7th SNLF
8th Division
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
14th Naval Guard Unit
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
Yangtze SNLF
Ichiki Det. /1
13th JAAF Base Force
17th Naval Construction Battalion
63rd JAAF AF Bn
51st Base Force
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Air Army
27th Special Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

Defending units:
25th Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
767th Tank Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
38th Infantry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
96th Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
3rd Motor Brigade
31st Infantry Division
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2/4th Armoured Regiment
716th Tank Battalion
12th NZ Bde /6
3rd Marine Division
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
2nd Marine Division
43rd Infantry Division
11th Airborne Div /1
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
44th Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Div /1
IX Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment
189th USAAF Base Force
738th Coast AA Regiment
154th FA Bn
694th Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I Corps Artillery
III US Amphib Corps
17th NZ AA Bde
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV Corps Artillery
147th Field Artillery Regiment
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

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The Allies either got cold feet or wanted to assess what kind of a response the IJ could bring together here. Either way he got some kills, but not a really good look at what will be there tomorrow. Looks like about a 70 plane CV CAP plus a lot of LBA there. Seems like the strikes I'm getting together could make it through that if all flies. We'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Andav

Hey Overt,

First, very nice spirited defense into 1945. This part of the game offers so many challenges. I appreciate your AAR.

Are you still using low layered CAP to defend against the air strikes or do the late war Japanese fighters allow a high CAP as well?

Wa

Hi Andav. Sorry to take while on this. Been a crazy week.

The low CAP is still very useful in big well supported bases with lots of radar and quick climbing airframes. High CAP is great against the Corsairs and Hellcats, but it allows the P-47s (and to a lesser extent the P-51Ds) to play in their element. The designers got this part really right.

I've played for a while now with some of the new ones and the N1K5 is a fantastic all around late war airframe. As CAP it's tough and heavily gunned. It's surprisingly well suited to sweeping as well, even though Allied airframes can get above it, the extra guns hit hard.

The Frank Ki-84r is awesome in all roles, and flies 9k CAP and 36k+ max CAP well. Even though it is dived on in the high role the speed/manoeuvre combo seems to allow it to survive and hit back. Good as a sweeper and the best at 9k top layer of the low CAP.

The Ki-84b is decent, and I'll keep making ~100/month because of the added range and CL canons against Allied 4Es. If it can hang on through sweeps it tears into bombers pretty hard. Not as good up high.

The Ki-83 is the best sweeper in game recently, including Allied airframes, rivalling the new Corsairs, but it suffers in low CAP due to poor manoeuvre. In high CAP it's better, but not outstanding.

The J2M5 is a decent CAP plane but not so much high CAP or sweeps. Better in the 7k role as low layered CAP.

The Oscar Ki-43 IV is decent for low CAP and service 1 means I don't have to rail them out as often. I've used them up high in a high layered CAP and they still do okay, surprisingly. Mainly due to numbers I'm sure.

The Ki-100-I basically is neutered in stock with only 360mph and it's only viable as an escort, rear CAP and kami. It can't handle Allied sweeps in any layer band. Just getting the Ki-100-II now which seems a bit better, even though it's still only 367mph.

The Ki-44 IIc is still hanging around due to good manoeuvre/speed combo, excellent climb and service 1. It does okay at the 7k band in low CAP and as an escort, but that's about it.

I alternate low and high CAP a lot to keep the Allies on their toes, but he's also been altering sweep a lot. He's sending some in as low as 8k, which I've never seen before. In areas of no radar, like the troops being bombed to oblivion in the clear right now (all three radars bombed out of action), that works. Against a big base it likely won't.

I've tried a few mid-level layered CAP settings, and recently a full altitude mega-CAP, layered across all tiers of altitude bands, but due to lack of radars in the target hex it's hard to assess how those could work.

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Obvert, you should answers those CAP questions in code so the information doesn't fall into Allied hands! [:'(][:D]

Nah, the info is useful to all, but it doesn't give anything away to Dan. He can read the reports to see what I'm doing in much more detail. [;)]

The important part is when to change things up. I try to stay less predictable, but I'm sure he's figuring me out a bit by now.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 14, 1945[/font]
I thought maybe today I could finally catch the Allied 4Es and especially the B-29s. No luck. This is getting annoying. The Allied sweeps are always coming in many waves before any of the bombing runs, the 4Es are always nearly perfectly coordinated, weather never shuts down a morning or afternoon phase, and my LR CAP is always depleted by the time the bombers come. Where are those famous dice rolls when you need them? [:D]

My LR CAP in hex today was about 380 fighters set to high and low. The low got pummelled and the high didn't get down fast enough. Unfortunately the radar in hex has been vaporised. More should arrive tomorrow with a large base force. I'm hoping that will help the ~1,000 fighters and FB I've set to be on LR CAP over these troops now. If this set of planes can't do it, I don't know what to try. I've got them on all bands, layered from max 41k+ to 5k low, and a lot on each band range. I'm trying to do three layered areas, high, mid (20k, 18k, 16k), and low.


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 14, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Kushiro at 123,53

Allied Ships
BB New York
BB Tennessee
CL Honolulu
DD Downes
DD Flusser
DD Mahan
DD Ingraham
DD Bell

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port hits 1

BB New York firing at 58th Ind.Mixed Brigade

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Pre-Invasion action off Kushiro (123,53)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

515 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
APD John P. Gray
APD Enright
APD Burke

Allied ground losses:
364 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled

Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

APD John P. Gray fired at enemy troops

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 132
J2M5 Jack x 11
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 31
Ki-83 x 47
Ki-84b Frank x 14
Ki-84r Frank x 56
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
S-316 Hikotai with N1K5-J George (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 39370 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 39370.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 90
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 45
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-83 x 44
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 42
Ki-100-I Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 38,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 45
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 15
Ki-83 x 33
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 22
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 23
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 10
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K5-J George x 3
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 7th Base Force, at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 9
TBM-1C Avenger x 48
TBM-3 Avenger x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 5 damaged
Avenger II: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 20 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled

Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Avenger II bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 7th Base Force, at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 6
TBM-1C Avenger x 20
TBM-3 Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 4 damaged
Avenger II: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 7 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 8 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Avenger II bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
17 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 77th Division ...

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Morning Air attack on Rocky Mountain Rger Battalion, at 121,53 , near Sapporo

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 37
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27
Ki-102b Randy x 10

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rocky Mountain Rger Battalion, at 121,53 , near Sapporo

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 50
Ki-102b Randy x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 77th Division, at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 43

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 16 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 3 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 11
Liberator GR.VI x 3
B-24J Liberator x 69
B-29-1 Superfort x 51
B-29-25 Superfort x 103
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 7 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 40 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 39 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 33 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4407 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 262 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 158 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 59 (12 destroyed, 47 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 69
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-83 x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 29

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 4 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 116
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 50
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 5 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 49
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 8
Ki-83 x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45729 troops, 433 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1137

Defending force 157644 troops, 2540 guns, 4246 vehicles, Assault Value = 3908

Japanese ground losses:
916 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 17 (2 destroyed, 15 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
8th Division
Kure 7th SNLF
49th Cavalry Regiment
38th Division
14th Naval Guard Unit
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Yangtze SNLF
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Ichiki Det. /1
51st Base Force
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Air Army
17th Naval Construction Battalion
27th Special Base Force
63rd JAAF AF Bn
13th JAAF Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

Defending units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
3rd Marine Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
96th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
767th Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
44th Tank Battalion
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
38th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
4th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade
775th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
12th NZ Bde /6
112th Cavalry Regiment
11th Airborne Div /1
716th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
37th Infantry Div /1
694th Field Artillery Battalion
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
I Corps Artillery
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV Corps Artillery
189th USAAF Base Force
154th FA Bn
III US Amphib Corps
17th NZ AA Bde
738th Coast AA Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
IX Corps Artillery
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

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Ground combat at 121,53 (near Sapporo)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1758 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 304 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Japanese adjusted assault: 32

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 32 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
52nd Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Rocky Mountain Rger Bn /4


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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19382 troops, 586 guns, 1176 vehicles, Assault Value = 3904

Defending force 59525 troops, 554 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 1079

Allied adjusted assault: 460

Japanese adjusted defense: 1199

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1373 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 9 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 16 (8 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 48 (9 destroyed, 39 disabled)

Assaulting units:
25th Infantry Division
4th Armoured Brigade
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
38th Infantry Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
44th Tank Battalion
11th Airborne Div /1
767th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
43rd Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
12th NZ Bde /6
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
2nd Marine Division
716th Tank Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
3rd Motor Brigade
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
31st Infantry Division
37th Infantry Div /1
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
IX Corps Artillery
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
154th FA Bn
738th Coast AA Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
189th USAAF Base Force
147th Field Artillery Regiment
I Corps Artillery
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
III US Amphib Corps
694th Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
17th NZ AA Bde
XIV Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

Defending units:
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Yangtze SNLF
38th Division
14th Naval Guard Unit
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
8th Division
Kure 7th SNLF
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment
49th Cavalry Regiment
Ichiki Det. /1
4th Air Army
13th JAAF Base Force
17th Naval Construction Battalion
51st Base Force
63rd JAAF AF Bn
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
27th Special Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

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ORIGINAL: obvert

[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 14, 1945[/font]
Unfortunately the radar in hex has been vaporised.

Try putting some Irving Sa on LRCAP there and try to hide them where they won't get involved in the fighting. Like at 1000 feet.
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: obvert

[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 14, 1945[/font]
Unfortunately the radar in hex has been vaporised.

Try putting some Irving Sa on LRCAP there and try to hide them where they won't get involved in the fighting. Like at 1000 feet.

That is so sneaky smart! [&o][&o]

I've not ever considered the impact of flying radar to day battles and defensive positions. I've got loads of Irving-Sa too so if it helps me hit B-29s I don't really care how many I lose.

I'll pop some in at 100ft with a large Oscar IV group maybe to help deflect divers. Too bad I didn't see this before finishing the current turn. Damn.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 15, 1945[/font]
Massive air battles over Kushiro and the troops a hex away. The Allies burn a lot o planes this turn. Mostly 1E bombers. But a good amount of fighters also succumb. A great turning the air for Japan.

In spite of that I don't get to the 4Es and I can't clear the Allies from the path, so it looks like Kushiro will fall and these troops will have to turn back to Bihoro. I'll try to use their vulnerability to entice all of the Allied aggression out and maybe, one day, get to the bombers. Kushiro troops take another hit form the landing auto-bombardments. Dan and I had a talk about this as apparently he's been getting a lot of flak in the AAR about it.

I won't lie. It's frustrating. It's not that he's doing something wrong though, it's that the game has a limitation that restricts me from making a choice here. These are the parts of game I have trouble with the the only areas I would now consider making AARs about. With this issue I don't know how it could be regulated though. You can't say don't send more troops in. He does put ships and troops at risk by doing so as well, but the risk is minimal compared to the gain in this case. It's become a system for him recently, and he's using it well.
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Sub attack near Sapporo at 118,50

Japanese Ships
E Ioshima
E Miyake

Allied Ships
SS Manta, hits 13

SS Manta launches 6 torpedoes at E Ioshima
Manta diving deep ....

Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 41,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 51
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 34
Ki-83 x 53
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 68
Ki-100-I Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 4
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18
Ki-83 x 51
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 48
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 44
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-83 x 38
Ki-84b Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 33

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 30
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-83 x 28
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 22
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-83 x 25
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 47,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 15

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
Corsair IV x 17
Hellcat I x 21
Hellcat F.II x 15
Seafire IIC x 25
Seafire L.III x 40
Spitfire VIII x 6
Thunderbolt I x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 2nd NZ Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 54
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-100-I Tony x 37

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn , at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 37
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 54
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 22
Ki-83 x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 45 (5 destroyed, 40 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-83 x 22
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 7th Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 14
Ki-83 x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 39
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 29 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 11 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
238 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Amphibious Brigade, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 50
B-29-25 Superfort x 137

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 30 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 75 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 22000 feet
Ground Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
J2M5 Jack x 20
N1K2-J George x 7
N1K5-J George x 54
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38
Ki-83 x 44
Ki-84b Frank x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 76
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 5 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5
J2M5 Jack x 11
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 48
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-83 x 38
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 61
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 61st Division, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 3
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 5
N1K5-J George x 35
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19
Ki-83 x 30
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 47
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Ground combat at 123,52 (near Kushiro)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30176 troops, 323 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 934

Defending force 4400 troops, 23 guns, 272 vehicles, Assault Value = 287

Japanese adjusted assault: 188

Allied adjusted defense: 138

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
767 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 119 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 24 (4 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
266 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 63 (3 destroyed, 60 disabled)


Assaulting units:
3rd Amphibious Brigade
7th Division
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
61st Division
53rd Ind.Mixed Bde /2
134th AA Regiment
73rd Field AA Battalion
12th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
763rd Tank Battalion
2nd NZ Bde /9
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
2nd Regiment
112th Cavalry Rgt /6

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44893 troops, 441 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1123

Defending force 155210 troops, 2539 guns, 4115 vehicles, Assault Value = 3745

Japanese ground losses:
664 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 10 (5 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
38th Division
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
49th Cavalry Regiment
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment
Kure 7th SNLF
8th Division
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
14th Naval Guard Unit
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
Yangtze SNLF
Ichiki Det. /1
13th JAAF Base Force
17th Naval Construction Battalion
63rd JAAF AF Bn
51st Base Force
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Air Army
27th Special Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2

Defending units:
25th Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
767th Tank Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
38th Infantry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
96th Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
3rd Motor Brigade
31st Infantry Division
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2/4th Armoured Regiment
716th Tank Battalion
12th NZ Bde /6
3rd Marine Division
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
2nd Marine Division
43rd Infantry Division
11th Airborne Div /1
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
44th Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Div /1
IX Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment
189th USAAF Base Force
738th Coast AA Regiment
154th FA Bn
694th Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I Corps Artillery
III US Amphib Corps
17th NZ AA Bde
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV Corps Artillery
147th Field Artillery Regiment
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 17027 troops, 580 guns, 1077 vehicles, Assault Value = 3744

Defending force 58384 troops, 559 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 1069

Allied adjusted assault: 255

Japanese adjusted defense: 1543

Allied assault odds: 1 to 6 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
267 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (9 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 73 (3 destroyed, 70 disabled)


Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd Marine Division
38th Infantry Division
44th Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
43rd Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
11th Airborne Div /1
767th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2/4th Armoured Regiment
4th USMC Tank Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment
3rd Marine Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
4th Armoured Brigade
775th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
96th Infantry Division
12th NZ Bde /6
37th Infantry Div /1
17th NZ AA Bde
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
33rd Medium Regiment
I Corps Artillery
IX Corps Artillery
154th FA Bn
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
189th USAAF Base Force
694th Field Artillery Battalion
738th Coast AA Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
27th USN Naval Construction Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
III US Amphib Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85/88/98th Mortar Rgt /3

Defending units:
56th Ind.Mixed Bde /3
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th Naval Guard Unit
Kure 7th SNLF
1st Recon Regiment
49th Cavalry Regiment
58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Division
Yangtze SNLF
38th Division
Ichiki Det. /1
63rd JAAF AF Bn
27th Special Base Force
51st Base Force
17th Naval Construction Battalion
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Air Army
13th JAAF Base Force
52nd JNAF AF Unit /2
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