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[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

Where the S-400 Battery Operators not tracking the IAF F-16s? Do they often leave their ELINT Aircraft in a possible engagement envelope?

Il-20 was shot downed by Syrian S-200 not by S-400.

[BeirutDude]

Point is Russian Battle Management Radar, whether attached to the S-400 or not, should have vectored a valuable ELINT aircraft away from any threat axis. Surely the vaunted S-400 picked up the 16s?

[Rebel Yell]

The Il-20 went in harm's way. The Russians and the Syrians are at fault for what happened.

[wild_Willie2]

Update, according to Putin the Coot was shot down after the attack was already over but the Syrians kept indiscriminately firings missiles at everything that flew.

[ExNusquam]

Official IDF statement compiled from Twitter:

Israel expresses sorrow for the death of the aircrew members of the Russian plane that was downed tonight due to Syrian anti-aircraft fire. Israel holds the Assad regime, whose military shot down the Russian plane, fully responsible for this incident. Israel also holds Iran and the Hezbollah terror organization accountable for this unfortunate incident.

Overnight, IDF fighter jets targeted a facility of the Syrian Armed Forces from which systems to manufacture accurate and lethal weapons were about to be transferred on behalf of Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon. These weapons were meant to attack Israel, and posed an intolerable threat against it.

The IDF and the Russian army have a deconfliction system, which was agreed upon by the states' leaders, and has proven itself many times over recent years. This system was in use tonight as well.

An initial inquiry of the incident suggests:
1. Extensive and inaccurate Syrian anti-aircraft (Surface to Air missile) fire caused the Russian plane to be hit and downed.
2. When the Syrian Army launched the missiles that hit the Russian plane, IAF jets were already within Israeli airspace.
3. During the strike against the target in Latakia, the Russian plane that was then hit was not within the area of the operation.
4. The Syrian anti-air batteries fired indiscriminately and from what we understand, did not bother to ensure that no Russian planes were in the air.

Israel will share all the relevant information with the Russian Government to review the incident and to confirm the facts in this inquiry.

Given Pres. Putin has walked back his statements (SAM launches after the attack), the official Russian statement doesn't seem to conflict with the official IDF statement.

[Dysta]

From general media and the readers' responds:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... es-israel/

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude
Surely the vaunted S-400 picked up the 16s?

Of course - no, they don't. F-16I is highest aspiration of aircraft industry, invisible, fast as lightning and smite enemies as thunderbolt. There are rumors that the F-16Is even have ability to submerge and are carriers of ICBMs. There are squadrons, complete with track-type F-16Is having a docking chamber for boats.

[kevinkins]

Recent summary and forward looking analysis of the Il-20 downing:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23 ... snt-add-up

[Filitch]

This is also not the first time that Syrian and Russian sources have tried to claim that Israel is using third-party nations to cover their operations as a way of excusing the apparently limited capabilities and skills of Syria's air defense system operators.

AFAIK Israel pilot use such maneuver for a long time. I read mentions of it in memories of Soviet pilots of recon planes.

[kevinkins]

Mine warfare in the news:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23 ... ant-shield

"Because of the precision and standoff range of Quickstrike-ER, American aircraft can deliver them not just over broad areas around open bodies of water, but they can plant them in rivers, tributaries, canals, and inside port facilities without having to even get near the targeted area. This makes Quickstrike-ER an incredibly nasty and insidious weapon that could wreak havoc on an enemy's naval forces and deny them the ability to make amphibious landings or even leave port."

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Mine warfare in the news:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23 ... ant-shield

"Because of the precision and standoff range of Quickstrike-ER, American aircraft can deliver them not just over broad areas around open bodies of water, but they can plant them in rivers, tributaries, canals, and inside port facilities without having to even get near the targeted area. This makes Quickstrike-ER an incredibly nasty and insidious weapon that could wreak havoc on an enemy's naval forces and deny them the ability to make amphibious landings or even leave port."

This is a weapon to redefine the importance of air superiority. Whoever rules the air can do whatever they want on sea and land. Such glide mines will make a heavy notice to China and Russia.

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Ars people also failure to see the reason of US Reaper drone conducted an Air-to-air missile firing test. There are serious drone proliferation around the world and US want an upperhand to shoot them down. Drone war will soon be an reality:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... sile-test/

[LMychajluk]

Drone Shoots down another drone for the first time.
https://jalopnik.com/a-drone-killed-ano ... 1829206065

Eventually, maybe we’ll be able to cut humans out of the loop altogether, and the drones can just fight it out, conduct their own peace talks, establish their own nations, and whatever while we humans hang out, snacking, drinking, and playing video games or whatever.

[Dysta]

Is it a political discontent, or a mindless slaughter?

https://www.twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/st ... 9886676992

Source Update: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45611411

Gunmen have opened fire on an Iranian military parade in the south-western city of Ahvaz, killing at least 24 people including civilians, and injuring more than 50, state media say.

The attackers shot from a park near the parade and were wearing military uniforms, reports say.

Iran's foreign minister said "terrorists" backed by "a foreign regime" were behind the attack.

State media and officials have blamed Sunni militants or Arab nationalists.

[Filitch]

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4474689.html

Russian Ministry of Defense briefing about Il-20 incident.
Thesis:
At 21.39 Israel warned a minute before strike.
Israel talks that targets of it strike places at north of Syria. Whereas targets occurs in Latakia, this is west part of Syria. MoD has audiotape as proof. Because of disorienting Il-20 couldn't fly to safe zone.
After strike F-16s reached patrol area 70 km west from coast and was jamming and staying here to 22.40
At 21.51 one of F-16s approached landing Il-20.
Syrian AD take this as new attack.
At 22.03 Syrian SAM struck Il-20, was guiding in target with greater RCS.
Commander of Il-20 reported of fire.
At 22.07 radar clutter of Il-20 disappeared.

[Hongjian]

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... t-usv.html

AAD 2018: China's CSOC Unveils 'JARI' Unmanned Surface Combatant - USV

Talking to Navy Recognition at the show, a CSOC representative explained that JARI is multipurpose USV for combat designed for both the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) and export customers. An order has yet to be placed however. CSIC has already produced a prototype which has started sea trials earlier this year.

The main characteristics of the JARI USV (as provided by CSOC) are a length of 15 meters, a breadth of 4.80 meters and a depth of 1.80 meters for a displacement of about 20 tons. The USV maximum speed is 42 knots and its range is 500 nautical miles. In comparison, DARPA's Sea Hunter (a tirmaran USV for ASW) has a length of 40 meters and displacement of about 140 tons.

Based on the scale model on display at the show, JARI sensor suite includes an Active Phased Array Radar (APAR) with four fixed pannels, an electro-optic system, navigation radar and satellite link antenna. We were told that JARI can be control from land or at sea from a "mother ship".

The weapons suite includes a 30mm remote weapon station (as main gun) fitted with an optional pod for "guided and unguided rockets" (according to CSOC). 2x4 vertical launch systems (placed behind the main gun) can deploy surface to air missiles. Final two optional single torpedo launchers (for lightweight torpedoes such as the ET52C) are placed on each side of the superstructure. For anti-submarine warfare (ASW) mission, the JARI can be fitted with a sonar.

The USV is propelled by a single water-jet.

Quite heavily armed for its size.

[kevinkins]

Re: the Il-20 incident ... cable news just reported Russia is sending/giving S-300 systems to the Syrian government.

Here is a text report ...

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... a-58036551

[Filitch]

Not a news. At the picture highly likely Su-35S takes aim at F-22A using OLS-35 [IRST]



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3353432.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoGK8jtAeK6 ... er_bomber_

[Ancalagon451]

What is that white rectangle surrounding the plane?

Ancalagon

[Filitch]

From comments at Instagram: "This is a specific feature of the indication of the combined frame of the TV camera and the IRST"

[Rebel Yell]

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