The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

Post by obvert »

ORIGINAL: USSAmerica
If I have an empty airfield and move planes in during a turn, the Allies will see an airfield occupied icon pop up before they give orders.

Hey obvert, I thought this free Allied intel was corrected in one of the official patches. Are you sure it is still happening? I had written this off as a concern a long time ago and maybe I need to pay more attention to it again. [:D]

I didn't hear it was corrected, but I've had some uncanny coincidences if I don't have an air group in the base and move planes in. It's happened 2-3 times that I remember in this game while Dan was playing it.

It could be complete chance. It's just that (as in previous incidences) he hadn't bombed this target for months, I moved planes in and the next day a massive raid arrives. Then nothing after I move the planes away either, so it den's feel like a strategic idea, just a tactical one based on intel.

I'd have to run a PBEM test to see for sure.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 9-10, 1944[/font]
A quiet turn after the craziness. I left a few Frances turned on and they got nailed, but not catastrophically.

The Allies continue their assault on the Andamans. Little Andaman is taken on the 10th. I've been moving a bit of reserve into the area, but need a bit more in case there is a massive invasion of Sumatra or Malaya. I'll be sending another division to Singers that just arrived in Korea. Cheap purchase but it now needs to fill out. Not much more arriving until February, so I've got to make due here in the meantime.

He's using B-29s to bomb troops on Uruppa now. That might help a bit there, but makes me happy compared to the targets they could be hitting right now. I'm about to get another NF group, which will be sent to Manchuria and split up to defend multiple bases. I've got pretty good coverage now with about 50 NF in Tokyo, Osaka and Yokohama, but set at 1-2 hex bleed to get to other bases as well. There are some solid groups at Sapporo, Kushiro, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Sendai, Maebashi, Gifu, Kobe and some others spread around and bleeding.

There are about ten AA units arriving in the HI in a few turns plus another dozen elsewhere in China and Manchuria. I'll send all of them to industrial centres. Burma still gets 5-10 flak hits every day. The persistence of the Allied approach and consistency of the flak units has been incredible. I'm very curious to see what happens when the 2-5 plane groups flying now finally succumb to the 12cm tubes and halt ops. What will be left when the Wellingtons, Beauforts, Lib II and B-17E are gone?

On the 10th I revisited Toyohara as well. Got even results, but hit a few decent planes including destroying an F-13, the recon B-29, and damaging lots of others. The flak is harsh, but depending on what he's basing here it can be worth a visit.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 18

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed, 11 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 2 destroyed by flak


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Little II
DD Halsey Powell
DD Porter II

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
VF-26 with F6F-3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 4000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 4000.
Raid is overhead

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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 83910 troops, 1482 guns, 1291 vehicles, Assault Value = 2819

Defending force 48508 troops, 338 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 979

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
5th Australian/A Division
3rd Motor Brigade
37th Infantry Division
5th Australian/B Division
713th Flame Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
1st Filipino Inf Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
38th Infantry Division
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th USMC Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
43rd Infantry Division
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
5th Australian/C Division
XIV Corps Artillery
XIV US Corps
225th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Regiment
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd USA Defense Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
259th Coastal Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
5th Garrison Unit
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
28th Division
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
114th Division
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Nanking Naval Guard Unit
4th Amphibious Brigade
1st Engr Rgt /1
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
35th Army
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Base Force

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Ground combat at Little Andaman (44,59)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1467 troops, 51 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Defending force 323 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Assaulting units:
18th Marine Defense Battalion

Defending units:
36th Const Co

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 128 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 24

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 19 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 6 damaged
F-13 Superfortress: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 5 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 4 damaged
F-5E Lightning: 4 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 144 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 82
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 25 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 5 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PV-1 Ventura: 3 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 29 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 3 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 30 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 5 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 12 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
F-13 Superfortress: 26 damaged
F-13 Superfortress: 1 destroyed on ground
F-5E Lightning: 8 damaged
F-5E Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
B-25H Mitchell: 5 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 5 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 59

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
34 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
22 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 24

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 12 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed by flak
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 6 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F-5E Lightning: 6 damaged
F-5E Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 5 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 5 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
22 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 11 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 4 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed on ground
F-13 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 151 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 19 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged
F-5E Lightning: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 3
Liberator B.VI x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 6
B-24J Liberator x 5
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 3
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 40
P-51B Mustang x 7

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 2 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 6 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort I bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 6
B-24J Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 2 damaged
Liberator II: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 29th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 2
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-24J Liberator x 2
B-25D1 Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 4
B-25J1 Mitchell x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 10 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25J1 Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 94th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 2
B-24J Liberator x 9
B-25J1 Mitchell x 2

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 47
Wellington B.X x 5
B-17E Fortress x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 4
B-25J11 Mitchell x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 94th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 10

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 9 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 10 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Pre-Invasion action off Uruppu-jima (130,52)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

438 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCI(G)-470
LCI(G)-469
LCI(G)-459
LCI(G)-455
LCI(G)-454
LCI(G)-453
LCI(G)-452
LCI(G)-451
LCI(G)-450
LCI(G)-449
LCI(G)-442
LCI(G)-441
LCI(G)-440
LCI(G)-439
LCI(M)-632
LCI(R)-226
LCI(R)-224
APA Latimer
DMS Hobson
PF Hoquiam

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 41 (8 destroyed, 33 disabled)


LCI(G)-470 fired at enemy troops
LCI(R)-224 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

TF 694 troops unloading over beach at Uruppu-jima, 130,52

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 38 (0 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 12 (0 destroyed, 12 disabled)


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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4433 troops, 214 guns, 197 vehicles, Assault Value = 2849

Defending force 48399 troops, 337 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 976

Japanese ground losses:
290 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
5th Australian/A Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
6th Infantry Division
3rd Motor Brigade
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Filipino Inf Regiment
38th Infantry Division
1st Regiment
5th Australian/B Division
5th Australian/C Division
XIV Corps Artillery
3rd USA Defense Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
259th Coastal Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
33rd Medium Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
1st Medium Regiment
28th Canadian AA Regiment

Defending units:
Nanking Naval Guard Unit
28th Division
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
114th Division
5th Garrison Unit
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Amphibious Brigade
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Engr Rgt /1
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
35th Army
8th Base Force

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Ground combat at Little Andaman (44,59)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1475 troops, 51 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Defending force 323 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 18

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Little Andaman !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th Marine Defense Battalion

Defending units:
36th Const Co

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The persistence of the Allied approach and consistency of the flak units has been incredible. I'm very curious to see what happens when the 2-5 plane groups flying now finally succumb to the 12cm tubes and halt ops. What will be left when the Wellingtons, Beauforts, Lib II and B-17E are gone?

In previous games, I've noticed that CR doesn't pay much attention to unit morale-or at least he hasn't mentioned it in my recollection. With these sort of crippling losses and depleted air groups, I'd be astonished if the bomber unit morale wasn't in the toilet. That sort of insidious poor morale can sap a unit's combat performance as much as the small numbers.

Here's hoping that a USAAF mutiny is in the programming-akin to the French infantry and German navy in WWI. [;)]
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Yup. As I recall when other people mentioned it he seemed to be fine with at least fatigue figures much higher than I try to stay under. Don't recall hearing about morale.
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Losses aren't that big after all, to effect morale;

speaking about the airfield bombardment, it gave , in my understanding, pretty good results, considered the altitude and weather...
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ORIGINAL: obvert
The persistence of the Allied approach and consistency of the flak units has been incredible. I'm very curious to see what happens when the 2-5 plane groups flying now finally succumb to the 12cm tubes and halt ops. What will be left when the Wellingtons, Beauforts, Lib II and B-17E are gone?

In previous games, I've noticed that CR doesn't pay much attention to unit morale-or at least he hasn't mentioned it in my recollection. With these sort of crippling losses and depleted air groups, I'd be astonished if the bomber unit morale wasn't in the toilet. That sort of insidious poor morale can sap a unit's combat performance as much as the small numbers.

Here's hoping that a USAAF mutiny is in the programming-akin to the French infantry and German navy in WWI. [;)]

It's been interesting to play Dan and see things more from the inside. I've followed his AARs from the beginning, and while he tells a very compelling story and holds court masterfully, he doesn't usually offer the objective detail I'd like to see about a lot of the action in game. He used maps a lot more in his last one against J III, which was great and added a lot of awareness for what was happening.

On this side of the board though I've found he does get a lot of the nuance of the game, and he's good at creating surprising challenges. He can get into an exploitable pattern, but he throws curveballs too.

On the ground he does push troops that look from my perspective too disabled to be effective. That said, on Ketoi, and now Uruppa, he just adds more and keeps going. So it's worked so far. I'm curious what the next step is and what will be available. I'd say the Marines are prepping for something big. Korea? Hokkaido? Direct to Honshu?
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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 11, 1944[/font]
The Allies DA at Uruppa again and do drop the forts this time, plus get a 1:1. They've been at it here for nearly a month, and the work, plus the two additional IDs, are now starting to pay off. The Allies lose a lot disabled, but the I have no way to bring more supply in, so other than a magic supply drop like the last one, I don't think I can do much to improve the situation.

An odd CAP trap happened unexpectedly today. I set three LSTs to bring supply to Shikotan near Hokkaido, and they returned to Kushiro. The Allied CVs launched a very small strike with a massive escort, and the CAP at Kushiro had a field day. About 140 Hellcats plus some Avengers and a few Corsairs are shot down on the day, and with no Allied units or boats in the base, so no life saving. I've had ships in the hex here as I can't disband them so close to Allied 4Es, but only ML and AMc. The LSTs triggered the massive strike. Something to play with again soon? [;)]

In the South my CAP at Pegu did okay in the morning when most of the sweeps and bombing runs arrived, but didn't last until the bombers came in. In the afternoon some Spits came in and did damage, but then a small B-24J strike also arrived and the CAP got into them. Overall a great day in the air for Japan.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 11, 1944
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Submarine attack near Donggala at 69,96

Japanese Ships
E No.8
TK Ayayuki Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
TK Nittetsu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Pomfret, hits 26, heavy fires, heavy damage

SS Pomfret is sighted by escort
Pomfret diving deep ....

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Night Air attack on Oita , at 104,59

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Light Industry hits 2
Manpower hits 3
Fires 2070


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 43,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 14
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 14
P-40N5 Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 46,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet

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Morning Air attack on 43rd Chinese Corps, at 70,44 , near Tsuyung

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 5
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 53

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 31
N1K5-J George x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 14
Ki-84r Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 349
F6F-5 Hellcat x 140

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 33 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 7 destroyed


Japanese Ships
LST T-137

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Avenger II bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 27
N1K5-J George x 28
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 31

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
Hellcat I x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 87
F6F-5 Hellcat x 36
TBM-1C Avenger x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 destroyed


Japanese Ships
LST T-133, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LST T-135, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 41,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 14
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 16
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 14
Ki-84r Frank x 28
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25J1 Mitchell x 2
P-51B Mustang x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 31
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 3
Hellcat I x 7
F6F-3 Hellcat x 345
F6F-5 Hellcat x 80

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 1 destroyed
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 16 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed


Japanese Ships
LST T-133, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Avenger II bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 24
N1K5-J George x 24
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22
F6F-5 Hellcat x 39
TBM-1C Avenger x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 3 destroyed


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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 97489 troops, 1541 guns, 1950 vehicles, Assault Value = 2884

Defending force 48178 troops, 336 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 962

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 3924

Japanese adjusted defense: 3808

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3879 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 64 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 55 disabled
Guns lost 36 (20 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
3250 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 477 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 68 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 87 disabled
Guns lost 73 (8 destroyed, 65 disabled)
Vehicles lost 89 (7 destroyed, 82 disabled)


Assaulting units:
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
5th Australian/A Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th Australian/B Division
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
3rd Motor Brigade
1st Regiment
6th Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
38th Infantry Division
1st Filipino Inf Regiment
713th Flame Tank Battalion
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
37th Infantry Division
5th Australian/C Division
4th Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
259th Coastal Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
33rd Medium Regiment
3rd USA Defense Battalion
XIV Corps Artillery
1st Medium Regiment
28th Canadian AA Regiment

Defending units:
5th Garrison Unit
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
28th Division
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
114th Division
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Amphibious Brigade
Nanking Naval Guard Unit
1st Engr Rgt /1
35th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
8th Base Force

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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 12, 1944[/font]
The Allies try some exploratory B-29 strikes in the night on the 12th. They hit port Arthur for 12 HI destroyed, Utsonomiya for five resources points and miss at Kanazawa. The NF react nicely on Honshu and get int to fight off a few of the beasts. On the day it looks like he lost 3-4 against my 7 NF losses.

The Chinese try again at Paoshan, but this is not going anywhere. They take some heavy disablements for no progress against the forts and very little damage to the IJA force. They have been trying a flank attack in the mountains near Tsuyung, but I saw it in time and have been bombing and moving troops to cover. It looks like he's stopped them now. It would be a river crossing and that wouldn't be good against the division there now.

In a surprise move the Allies send in Le Triomphant all by herself to Balikpapan. She sinks an E, and tomorrow will need to run the gautlet of strike planes to make it out. I'll increase search in the area so this doesn't become a trend. [;)]
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Night Air attack on Port Arthur , at 99,44

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5
B-29-25 Superfort x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Night Air attack on Utsonomiya , at 115,60

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 9

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kanazawa , at 111,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 8

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Port Arthur , at 99,44

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 4

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Utsonomiya , at 115,60

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 7

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged

Resources hits 2


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 65,98, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.18, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Le Triomphant

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...

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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4460 troops, 222 guns, 199 vehicles, Assault Value = 2426

Defending force 45470 troops, 322 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 868

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th Australian/B Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
37th Infantry Division
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
3rd Motor Brigade
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
1st Filipino Inf Regiment
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
5th Australian/A Division
6th Infantry Division
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
38th Infantry Division
5th Australian/C Division
3rd USA Defense Battalion
Sixth US Army
XIV Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Regiment
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
259th Coastal Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
28th Canadian AA Regiment

Defending units:
114th Division
Nanking Naval Guard Unit
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Amphibious Brigade
28th Division
1st Engr Rgt /1
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
35th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Garrison Unit
8th Base Force

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 122295 troops, 275 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3982

Defending force 34490 troops, 307 guns, 978 vehicles, Assault Value = 969

Allied adjusted assault: 2495

Japanese adjusted defense: 4612

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
568 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 52 (2 destroyed, 50 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
6730 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 514 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled


Assaulting units:
78th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
42nd Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps Corps
70th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
12th Group Army
5th Group Army
9th Group Army
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment

Defending units:
23rd Tank Regiment
3rd Division
15th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Division
2nd Tank Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Army
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Always keep in mind that the Allied player must achieve an auto victory before 1 September 1945 in order to win the game decisively.  Getting there after 31 August 1945 means the absolute best he can achieve is a marginal victory and that constitutes in reality an "Allied defeat" as the Allied performance is far below par when assessed in historical terms.

Alfred


Alfred I'm disappointed.

We all know fully well nothing about a "game" wherein one side is artificially enhanced to 'make it viable to play" can be fairly compared to historical outcomes.

A marginal victory in the 'game' is a victory plain and simply.

The Japanese player can rightly thump his chest for his performance in holding the Allies to a mere marginal Victory, but he simply cannot claim a "win" unless the Allied side does indeed "lose" the game.

Who knows, maybe Dan won't even manage a marginal victory......then all the debate over nuance would be moot.

Hold the phone guys, I agree with Hans on a post he made that references victory points/conditions and historical results.

Excuse me while I go check to see if the world is ending, or hell has frozen over, or something similar.


As for whether Dan can achieve a marginal victory... he's in the Kuriles and Sakhalin in late-44. I will be some degree of shocked if he does not end up gaining enough strategic bombing points to achieve a marginal victory before the clock runs out 13-some months from now.

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And the mic drops ladies and gents....


I don't really think Dan won't get a marginal victory I tossed that out as a consolation given my expectations that what preceded it would be at least mildly offensive to the JFBs.
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Always keep in mind that the Allied player must achieve an auto victory before 1 September 1945 in order to win the game decisively.  Getting there after 31 August 1945 means the absolute best he can achieve is a marginal victory and that constitutes in reality an "Allied defeat" as the Allied performance is far below par when assessed in historical terms.

Alfred


Alfred I'm disappointed.

We all know fully well nothing about a "game" wherein one side is artificially enhanced to 'make it viable to play" can be fairly compared to historical outcomes.

A marginal victory in the 'game' is a victory plain and simply.

The Japanese player can rightly thump his chest for his performance in holding the Allies to a mere marginal Victory, but he simply cannot claim a "win" unless the Allied side does indeed "lose" the game.

Who knows, maybe Dan won't even manage a marginal victory......then all the debate over nuance would be moot.

Hold the phone guys, I agree with Hans on a post he made that references victory points/conditions and historical results.

Excuse me while I go check to see if the world is ending, or hell has frozen over, or something similar.


As for whether Dan can achieve a marginal victory... he's in the Kuriles and Sakhalin in late-44. I will be some degree of shocked if he does not end up gaining enough strategic bombing points to achieve a marginal victory before the clock runs out 13-some months from now.

13 months.

Haha!!

Alfred was referencing 1 Sept there, which is only 9 1/2 months. I still agree with you, and with Hans, that ...

A. Dan will get to marginal victory within an expedient timeframe from when he started the game, and could very well get more by the end.

B. The term "marginal victory" and associated VP ratio is separated from a historical perspective when Japan has so many extra tools and possibilities. It's a game, a fun one, but not linked to reality when I'm flying Ki-83s and employing full tank divisions in Burma in late 44 brimming with supplies and new Type 3 tanks I didn't even have to ship down. [;)]
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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 13, 1944[/font]
I reinserted the CAP to Pegu, and had a great morning phase, getting some extremely good results against P-38s and decent against everything else. The afternoon was reversed, with oddly different results against the same CAP by a small Thunderbolt II group and catastrophic losses from one P-47D25 group.

I'll now move the CAP to recover, but altogether it's nearly even on the day, so not bad. I lost around 90 total airframes, he lost 78. I only lost 18 KIA and no MIA on the day, so that is great. Fewer and fewer planes fly for the Allies every day. I want to make a big use and see if I can get to some of these bomber groups, so I'll play with mixing bleeding and LR CAP next and see how that works. At 1 hex range the reaction of the low CAP is very different than if swept in its base hex.

No mores attacks at Uruppa, just more bombing runs. The Chinese bombard and show that the recent attack brought their AV down another 400 or so points.
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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 18
Ki-84r Frank x 51

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 14
Ki-84r Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 24

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 43,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 2
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 8
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Thunderbolt II sweeping at 42000 feet
1 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 47,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 6 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 94th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 2
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 6 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 15
Wellington B.X x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 2
B-25J11 Mitchell x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J11 Mitchell: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington B.X bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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On the 14th I'll try a big LR CAP of Uruppa. The last few days the DS has moved away and Ketoi has less than 70 fighters.

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A bit of myopic commentary from a few posters recently.
 
The abstractions and game engine also provide the Allied player with many ahistorical benefits which enable even sub par play a chance of achieving a decisive Allied victory.  It is very misleading to peddle the idea that only Japan benefits and this therefore warrants discounting good Japanese play which prevents a decisive Allied victory.
 
Nothing in the game makes it impossible for an Allied player to achieve a decisive victory.  The VP system does a fair job of representing the historical will of either side to continue fighting.  Achieving a decisive victory requires outplaying the opponent strategically and tactically.  As seen in many PBEMs, a Japanese player who is outplayed will lose decisively irrespective of the alleged a historical elements.  It is the quality of play of both players which determines the eventual outcome, not the asymmetrical capabilities.
 
A marginal Allied victory is a game victory but it shows a performance outcome less than the historical outcome.  In this game, there is no guarantee that the Allies will even achieve a 1.25:1 VP ratio before 1 September 1945.  Time is fast ebbing away for the Allies.  Obvert seems well prepared to largely nullify a future Allied strategic bombing campaign against Japanese industry which currently seems to be the best chance for his opponent to get the VP ratio up to 2:1 before 1 September 1945.
 
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

A marginal Allied victory is a game victory but it shows a performance outcome less than the historical outcome.

If you mean that it's a game victory for the Allied player, then we are agreed. I feel you are singing somewhat different tunes between threads over time with regards to game victory conditions and historical comparisons - namely that historical comparisons, from a game victory/defeat standpoint, are out of the window at the get-go because (in essence) the game isn't a simulation.
ORIGINAL: Alfred

In this game, there is no guarantee that the Allies will even achieve a 1.25:1 VP ratio before 1 September 1945.

Which, if the game were to end on September 1, 1945, would be relevant. But the game doesn't end then. The only time the 1.25:1 ratio matters is when the clock runs out in 1946. The only ratio that matters before the clock runs out is the autovictory ratio for the given year.
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Uhm... Were the rules for victories changed? Some posts here are confusing me.

The manual states:
AV before Sep '45: DV Allies
AV before game end: MV Allies
1.75 - 2 Allies:Japan VP at game end: Draw
1.25 - 1.75 Allies:Japan VP at game end: MV Japan
<1.25 Allies:Japan VP at game end: DV Japan

All this assuming max 2 A bombs being used.
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

And the mic drops ladies and gents....


I don't really think Dan won't get a marginal victory I tossed that out as a consolation given my expectations that what preceded it would be at least mildly offensive to the JFBs.

I wouldn't be too sure. My, albeit, casual reading of the plane losses makes me think Dan is running low on quality fighters, doesn't seem to be enamored of a strong night bombing tactic, and Japan has done wonders with her fleet, and is strong economically.

It just seems to me that the Allies aren't decisively targeting either Japan's Navy, Japan's air force, or Japan's economy. Having been here before, it takes one of those three things destroyed to allow the Allies to really rack up those consecutive 1000 VP gain days.
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

And the mic drops ladies and gents....


I don't really think Dan won't get a marginal victory I tossed that out as a consolation given my expectations that what preceded it would be at least mildly offensive to the JFBs.

I wouldn't be too sure. My, albeit, casual reading of the plane losses makes me think Dan is running low on quality fighters, doesn't seem to be enamored of a strong night bombing tactic, and Japan has done wonders with her fleet, and is strong economically.

It just seems to me that the Allies aren't decisively targeting either Japan's Navy, Japan's air force, or Japan's economy. Having been here before, it takes one of those three things destroyed to allow the Allies to really rack up those consecutive 1000 VP gain days.

Dan's not much of a dribs and drabs kind of guy. When it comes, it's going to come swiftly and heavily.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 14, 1944[/font]
The 14th offers some action. Not much in the air, as I LR CAP Uruppa and Dan goes for Shimushiri again, but not heavily. Is this the next Kuriles invasion target?

The air is quiet in Burma as well, but he does try a DA at 56,53 (near Pegu). It gets only a 1:4 with big Allied losses. The 7th Aussie ID takes a big hit, as do the Indian Brigades and probably two of the Chinese Corps. The Indian 19th ID is only 1/3 strength asa well. Our mediocre 102nd ID was trying to get back up to strength after having 2/3 of the infantry squads disabled, and this hit means it'll have to move back to Moumein to recoup. Everything else is doing just fine. A good experience boost for a few units. [8D]

It looks like everything is pretty secure now around here though, and I'm moving some more reserves into the Singers area to react in case of invasion threats. I've also decided to bring a mini-KB down, which should be able to react to what the RN has available in the area at this point and at least slow things down if he tries anything big. I'm slowly getting some more fighters and LBA strike planes into the area, partly spurred on by the Le Triumphant incursion.

A Kate managed to drop a 250kg bomb on it this turn, but search shows no ships in the area after the replay. I can't imagine it actually went under, but who knows?
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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-83 x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Talaud Island at 82,96

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Le Triomphant, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at 56,53 (near Pegu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 129012 troops, 1413 guns, 1555 vehicles, Assault Value = 3895

Defending force 94406 troops, 913 guns, 1918 vehicles, Assault Value = 2691

Allied adjusted assault: 1516

Japanese adjusted defense: 7107

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4660 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 372 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 74 (8 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 88 (18 destroyed, 70 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
7131 casualties reported
Squads: 157 destroyed, 1080 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 140 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 123 disabled
Guns lost 204 (18 destroyed, 186 disabled)
Vehicles lost 63 (9 destroyed, 54 disabled)


Assaulting units:
7th Australian Division
77th Chindit Brigade
11th (East African) Division
14th Army Engineer Battalion
Provisionl Tank Brigade
23rd Indian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
19th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
3rd New Chinese Corps
8th New Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
26th Indian Brigade
9th Australian Division
XXXIII Indian Corps
14th Army
8th Belfast Heavy AA Regiment
Y' Force
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
102nd Division
1st Tank Division
14th Division
14th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
94th Division
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Division
8th Tank Regiment
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
122nd AA Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Army
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Air Defense AA Battalion
115th AA Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion

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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 15-16, 1944[/font]
The B-29s are now being used for airfields strikes on Etorofu. Gotta like that! I need some LR CAP in here fast.

Not much else going on for the 15th.

On the 16th the turn opens with I-30, posted on the route from Diego to Colombo, firing a spread (and missing) at the LSI(L) Dunedin Star. So something is going to be coming around here. No other reason to have the good amphibs around here.

Again, not much else happening, with very light bombing in both the North and South, and our fighters staying at zero hex CAP for now.
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Night Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Sub attack near Dinagat at 82,87

Japanese Ships
E No.61, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.63

Allied Ships
SS Rasher, hits 5

SS Rasher launches 6 torpedoes at E No.61
Rasher diving deep ....
E No.63 attacking submerged sub ....

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Submarine attack near Diego Garcia at 22,62

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
LSI(L) Dunedin Star

LSI(L) Dunedin Star is sighted by SS I-30
SS I-30 launches 6 torpedoes

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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 17, 1944[/font]
On the 17th we did well against sweeps for the most part early, and then hit some bombers. In the end some sweeps got us back, but the totals are good for the day.

At Uruppa the DA drops forts to 4 and gets a 1:1, so this is the beginning of the end there. Hopefully I can use the LR CAP to get some supply in and keep it going there, but it's not looking good.
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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 43,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 16
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 53
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 3
P-51D Mustang x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 13
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-I Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 8
Kittyhawk IV x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 31
Ki-100-I Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25H Mitchell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25H Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 26
Ki-100-I Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 22
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
P-40N5 Warhawk x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 6 destroyed


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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10
N1K5-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 9 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 26th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 4
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25J11 Mitchell x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Army, at 56,53 , near Pegu

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 40000 feet

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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 93826 troops, 1517 guns, 1919 vehicles, Assault Value = 2654

Defending force 45403 troops, 318 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 889

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 3497

Japanese adjusted defense: 2377

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4075 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 230 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 36 (7 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1991 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 410 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 64 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 56 disabled
Guns lost 148 (17 destroyed, 131 disabled)
Vehicles lost 121 (5 destroyed, 116 disabled)


Assaulting units:
43rd Infantry Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th USMC Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
1st Regiment
6th Infantry Division
815th Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
5th Australian/B Division
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
1st Filipino Inf Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
5th Australian/A Division
3rd Motor Brigade
38th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
5th Australian/C Division
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
33rd Medium Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
1st Medium Regiment
3rd USA Defense Battalion
259th Coastal Artillery Battalion
28th Canadian AA Regiment

Defending units:
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
28th Division
Nanking Naval Guard Unit
4th Amphibious Brigade
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
114th Division
1st Engr Rgt /1
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
35th Army
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
5th Garrison Unit
8th Base Force

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