Panzer Division = SUPER MAN

[SparkleyTits]

I think Beender is right personally the game has too many moving parts to give such sweeping statements as predetermined foresight

My experience is that if Axis gets Leningrad from turn 6-9 it is because in one way or another the Soviets let them

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Nada

[beender]

ORIGINAL: Icier

Unfortunately, you are talking from ignorance....have a look @ the games by CHOAS45 & Pelton ( although PeLton games may have been scrubbed for being naughty).

These 2 players would regularly Take Leningrad by turn 7.

Of course i am only commenting based on my own experience (who doesn't?), which is just a few months at most. But still,

1. The two players you mentioned are in the past time. I only heard of Pelton. Player skills never ceased increasing and the game updating, so their experience might not be relevant anymore.

2. Even if they are, they only prove that such practices are doable, or even desirable, but not that it's a necessary condition. Simple logic, i suppose.

3. On the other hand, so far I've played around 15 games as Axis, the longest being T11, and all ended with soviet player resigning. As mentioned among them only once was leningrade isolated. These are enough exceptions to the absolute statement. Also simple logic.

Well, at the end of day, in wars or wargames, arguments are proved not by talk but acts. So if you want to test my opinion by having a actual game, you are surely welcome. Won't take very long, I imagine[:'(]

[thedoctorking]

It's very hard to justify resigning as either side before the end of the first winter. Maybe with the Germans if you have really not achieved much during Barbarossa.

[SparkleyTits]

I think that depends on the player in question and what they want from the game

[beender]

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

It's very hard to justify resigning as either side before the end of the first winter. Maybe with the Germans if you have really not achieved much during Barbarossa.

Can't say I totally understand what you mean, due to my English. But its my bad to stray away from the thread topic, so no more comment. After all, I cant really prove anything unless by doing actual games.

[Elijah]

Back to tank losses in '41...Wanted to add my 2 cents as I've been trying the AI on Challenging which is about what Morvael was proposing morale wise. The Germans definitely lose a lot more tanks, by the start of mud the majority of my Panzer Div's were at 60-65% TOE. Partly rusty play on my part but no question the morale changes can and will produce more historical panzer attrition in '41.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Nada

[SparkleyTits]

Has the ammount of guns been increased for axis AA too then aswell as Soviet?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Nada