Bacon Mod + RetreatUE + Das Chrome

[nicodede62]

Ok, I dont understand, after loading the game this morning. The yt'la race is disappear and she is replaced by another human race...
The game dont crash now, I just modify the 'tradeEverything=true' to flase, it's strange...

[DasTactic]

ORIGINAL: nicodede62

I check your solutions if I have time today, but if you needed, I upload the save game 10 mn before I encouter them.
https://files.fm/u/k74c2yc8

I ran the save file for half an hour and didn't meet up with any races. Can you get a save game when you just meet them?

[nicodede62]

Ok it's strange, this is my last save from this morning before I crash again.

https://files.fm/u/93b7hdbu

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: nicodede62

Ok it's strange, this is my last save from this morning before I crash again.

https://files.fm/u/93b7hdbu

Hi. I just ran this save (and the other one). I talked to everybody and didn't get a crash. Of course I didn't see the yt'la race though.
I have tradeAnything=true because I wanted to see if I could replicate your crash but still couldn't.

Das, if changing the setting for tradeAnything prevents the conversation crash on your machine then there is something in the text of one of the planet or base names that the game is having trouble rendering. Your crash was an XNA drawing crash, not any code in the Bacon Mod. Is it possible you have a custom names file with non-standard characters? I find it interesting that the yt'la race may be related to the crash. Windows is notorious for not dealing with the ' character correctly in strings. I used to joke that Microsoft hated the Irish because of issues with names like O'Conner and such.

[DasTactic]

ORIGINAL: RogerBacon

ORIGINAL: nicodede62

Ok it's strange, this is my last save from this morning before I crash again.

https://files.fm/u/93b7hdbu

Hi. I just ran this save (and the other one). I talked to everybody and didn't get a crash. Of course I didn't see the yt'la race though.
I have tradeAnything=true because I wanted to see if I could replicate your crash but still couldn't.

Das, if changing the setting for tradeAnything prevents the conversation crash on your machine then there is something in the text of one of the planet or base names that the game is having trouble rendering. Your crash was an XNA drawing crash, not any code in the Bacon Mod. Is it possible you have a custom names file with non-standard characters? I find it interesting that the yt'la race may be related to the crash. Windows is notorious for not dealing with the ' character correctly in strings. I used to joke that Microsoft hated the Irish because of issues with names like O'Conner and such.

I wondered about the apostrophe as well but everything seemed to work ok in the files. I've run a small game with Yl'ta starting close by and the diplomatic interaction is working fine for me. Maybe you could try that, nicodede62. Setup a game with Yl'ta in the same system (they start close by for me but at least you'll find them quickly).

[Pocus]

Can someone put me up to date on how to calculate the max mining rate of a mining station? Are the techs increasing that also increasing this max rate (if no, they are not that useful)

[Bedrock]

Can the Bacon Mod be used with the Beyond Universe Mod?

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: Pocus

Can someone put me up to date on how to calculate the max mining rate of a mining station? Are the techs increasing that also increasing this max rate (if no, they are not that useful)

The mining rate is number of mining components of a type (mineral, gas, luxury) times the extraction rate (which is value 1 for those component types).
In vanilla DWU these values are capped at 10, 40, 10 for the three categories. So increasing the resource extraction rate only reduces the number of mining components needed to max out.
In the Bacon mod I allow people to raise those values by editing value2 of the mining components improvements in the research.txt file.

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: Bedrock

Can the Bacon Mod be used with the Beyond Universe Mod?

The Bacon Mod can be used with anything. Haven't you ever heard the expression, "Everything's better with Bacon"? If you want terraforming, fighters, and moddable resource caps you will have to do some manual editing of the files though. It's really easy.

[Pocus]

This seems to not work

noFuelCruiseSpeedMultiplier=0.60
noFuelTopSpeedMultiplier=0.55
noFuelHyperSpeedMultiplier=0.50

i.e I restarted a new game with these settings, and freighters that get dry revert to 1/3 speed, not the settings I have indicated.

[Pocus]

Another question but I don't feel opening a thread each time, is the component upkeep cost purely dependent of the resources cost? It seems there is a base upkeep cost to each component also. I'm trying to introduce components with low upkeep despite their resource cost, but perhaps that's not feasible.

[SparkleyTits]

Been having great fun with this so far thanks alot!

Are mining ships supposed to cost the player upkeep with this mod package?
The maintence of them seems to be applied to my own STATE income instead of PRIVATE income in my games

Thanks!

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: Pocus

Another question but I don't feel opening a thread each time, is the component upkeep cost purely dependent of the resources cost? It seems there is a base upkeep cost to each component also. I'm trying to introduce components with low upkeep despite their resource cost, but perhaps that's not feasible.

I believe I once saw that the is a constant cost of 1 per component plus the resource cost.

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Been having great fun with this so far thanks alot!

Are mining ships supposed to cost the player upkeep with this mod package?
The maintence of them seems to be applied to my own STATE income instead of PRIVATE income in my games

Thanks!

The Bacon Mod allows the state to build types of ships that are usually built by the private sector. If you build them then they are state ships and the state pays for their maintenance. The private sector will continue to build as it always sits so there is no need to build state versions of you don't want to.
I usually only built a few when I have specific plans for them, such as using gas mining ships as flat refuelers or freighters for specific cargo runs.

[SparkleyTits]

Appreciate the quick reply mate thank you and thanks for the mod it's great fun!!

[Pocus]

Is this something to consider when tweaking maintenance?
// This is the base cost paid per unit size regardless of the cost of materials. It is reduced by the same factors that reduce ship maintenance costs in general. Defaul for vanilla Distant Worlds is 1
shipMaintenanceCostPerSizeUnit=1

I have ceased using gas mining ships as fleet tankers. Weirdly enough, they keep wanting to go back to a base to refuel when they are low, on their own and this bother me. I never quite figured why sometime a ship would stay put even when she runs dry of fuel compared to others cases where she will head to a refuel depot.

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: Pocus

Is this something to consider when tweaking maintenance?
// This is the base cost paid per unit size regardless of the cost of materials. It is reduced by the same factors that reduce ship maintenance costs in general. Defaul for vanilla Distant Worlds is 1
shipMaintenanceCostPerSizeUnit=1

Yeah. I forgot I exposed that to modding. Its a floating point value type so you can set it to a really small number to reduce maintenance costs. You might be able to set it to zero but I have no idea if its used as a divisor anywhere.

I have ceased using gas mining ships as fleet tankers. Weirdly enough, they keep wanting to go back to a base to refuel when they are low, on their own and this bother me. I never quite figured why sometime a ship would stay put even when she runs dry of fuel compared to others cases where she will head to a refuel depot.

Two gas miners in a fleet can refuel each other. Make sure they are actually IN the fleet, not just nearby. #join [fleetName]. FleetName is case-sensitive, like all the #fleet commands.

[Pocus]

ok thanks. You know you can add to a fleet any ship that is armed (through a right click), so #join is not needed. Armed ships also get the patrol order, which is handy to remove them from the idle list.

[RogerBacon]

ORIGINAL: Pocus

ok thanks. You know you can add to a fleet any ship that is armed (through a right click), so #join is not needed. Armed ships also get the patrol order, which is handy to remove them from the idle list.

I found that out later after I had made the fleet commands. Still, Does the right click menu let you and any ship to any fleet? Sometimes I make up a deep exploration fleet of two gas miners, an exploration (science) ship, a colony ship (to see asteroids if needed) and a destroyer or two to fend off pirates. Then I send it off to see what it can find.

[fenmoorz]

Got an error...

"more bias values than races at line 12"

what do I need to do to fix it? Took out all the mods and reinstalled and got the same situation when I am trying to Switch to theme "RETREATUE Bacon"

Thanks in advance for the help... Just need to know where I messed up.

Bill