More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
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More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Early last week I had a slow day at work, so was I checking out the forum and some AARs. Looking at njp72 vs Wargmr AAR it showed that Wargmr had surrender and the forum was asked for a new opponent. After a few brief PMs and njp72 (Nathan) getting the newest SCEN files for BTS and BTSL, he was hooked. [:)] He lives in Brisbane, Australia and I'm in the eastern time zone USA, so we have a 14 hour time difference which allows us to get two turns in, hopefully, each work day. More on the weekend. Yippie!!
House Rules:
1. Non historic first turn.
2. On turn 1 Allied player can move TF's at sea and Chinese air and ground units.
3. Pay political points to cross national borders. Exception, Thai units may only operate in Thailand or Burma.
4. Multiple port strikes allowed as long as carrier based planes involve with LBA. So, moving part of KB at Babeldoab to off Manila is OK.
5. No warp invasions on turn one, but Mersing Gambit on 8th or 9th OK .
6. No restrictions on strategic bombing outside China. So, Allies can bomb Palembang day after Japan captures it. China is allowed on Jan 1st ’43.
House Rules:
1. Non historic first turn.
2. On turn 1 Allied player can move TF's at sea and Chinese air and ground units.
3. Pay political points to cross national borders. Exception, Thai units may only operate in Thailand or Burma.
4. Multiple port strikes allowed as long as carrier based planes involve with LBA. So, moving part of KB at Babeldoab to off Manila is OK.
5. No warp invasions on turn one, but Mersing Gambit on 8th or 9th OK .
6. No restrictions on strategic bombing outside China. So, Allies can bomb Palembang day after Japan captures it. China is allowed on Jan 1st ’43.
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp71 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Great matchup, good luck to both of you!
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp71 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Dec 7th: Playing a new opponent is always exciting in the beginning as I try to figure out what they will do differently than the last guy. Nathan has not disappointed in that area. Some normal opening moves, but many there were NOT! [:-]
Singapore - Sweep of empty skies by 18 Zero
Clark - 7 Zero escort in 52 Nell, but Nathan had them set at 12k so he didn't take full advantage of low AA for first turn. 21 More Zeros sweep the empty skies.
42 Vals come back in PM phase. Yuck!
Hong Kong - 16 Sally, 33 Lily, 27 Ida, 24 Sonia hit AF
Medan - 40 Betty find a small TF trying to escape through the straits. CL Dauntless and 2 xAKs are sunk. 11 Kates then finish off 2 xAKs and xAP. 11 Ann put two more xAKs down.
Ternate - Para from 1st Assault Div fly in and capture empty base.
Air Losses: 37A vs 33J - very light
Notes: I'll keep my comments brief as Nathan was granted permission for one post before he goes off to start his own AAR. My spidey senses are already going off. [:D] No invasions of Malaya or Luzon. [X(] On turn one, almost every air group is ordered to stand down. Now they will be up and greeting the invaders.
Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N2 Kate x 102
D3A1 Val x 72
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 12 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 15 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
A-20A Havoc: 14 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 78 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 7 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 29 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 11 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 17 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 29 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 26 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
C-33: 2 damaged
R3D-2: 4 damaged
O-47A: 7 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed
Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Washington, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Idaho, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 7
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2
DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
AK Alchiba, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Litchfield, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD MacDonough, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1
CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 1
AV Tangier, Torpedo hits 1
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1
Repair Shipyard hits 2
Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 53
Port hits 20
Port fuel hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 10000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
Magazine explodes on BB Washington
Lost 2 BBs and DD here, but light on aircraft losses.
Singapore - Sweep of empty skies by 18 Zero
Clark - 7 Zero escort in 52 Nell, but Nathan had them set at 12k so he didn't take full advantage of low AA for first turn. 21 More Zeros sweep the empty skies.
Morning Air attack on Lahaina , at 182,108
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N2-C Kate x 2
D3A1 Val x 22
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AG Arctic, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hoegh Merchant, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAP Haleakala, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
TK Gulfhawk, Bomb hits 1, on fire
TK Gulfland, Bomb hits 2, on fire
SS Gudgeon, Bomb hits 1
xAK Laida, Bomb hits 2
AG Vega, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N2-C Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
Good job here as many Japanese players don't send any planes from KB here.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 37
B5N2 Kate x 59
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AS Platypus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Koolama, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Port fuel hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
KB3 from Babeldoab ends up 5 hexes north of base. The 2 TFs that start at Darwin had moved a few hexes away. At first I was saying this was a little gamey, but he went here vs Manila. I'll take it!!
Morning Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 73,123
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 34
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
xAK Coast Farmer, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AP W.A. Holbrook, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
xAP Republic, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Chaumont, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Rathburne, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAP Bloemfontein, Bomb hits 4, on fire
Allied ground losses:
770 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)
A TF 3 west of Darwin carrying 2 x BF and 2 x FA sees the Vals from Soryu and Hiryu get in some good hits.
42 Vals come back in PM phase. Yuck!
Hong Kong - 16 Sally, 33 Lily, 27 Ida, 24 Sonia hit AF
Medan - 40 Betty find a small TF trying to escape through the straits. CL Dauntless and 2 xAKs are sunk. 11 Kates then finish off 2 xAKs and xAP. 11 Ann put two more xAKs down.
Ternate - Para from 1st Assault Div fly in and capture empty base.
Air Losses: 37A vs 33J - very light
Notes: I'll keep my comments brief as Nathan was granted permission for one post before he goes off to start his own AAR. My spidey senses are already going off. [:D] No invasions of Malaya or Luzon. [X(] On turn one, almost every air group is ordered to stand down. Now they will be up and greeting the invaders.
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
I had sent Nathan the mod SCEN files. BTS (56) which allows all 4 Yamato Class BBs to be built and the 6 Niitaka Class CAs come in as Fuji Class CB with 6 x 12" guns (I was relentless with John to get my pocket BBs). In the latest version, he gets two Karate Class AKE in mid-42 which have enough cargo capacity to load the 'big boys' 18" shells. John 3rd had recent gotten more research books. These included a two volume set on IJA OOB. After a few discussions, he decided to pull out the fourth infantry regiment from the square divisions and create three more triangle divisions (three infantry regiments). So Japan will not have a few 'heavy' divisions.
I warned Nathan about some of the surprises the Allies may have that he may have glanced over. For those not familiar with these mods, long ago I damaged/disabled the USA economy by at least 50% or more. This was my attempt to represent the need for USA economy to spin up rather than start off with everything running full speed. It will take until Jan '42 before the effects are not felt too severely. There is the Free French fleet arriving in May 42. There is the American Armored Div that arrives in Dec 42 that can be bought out rather withdrawn for Europe. It just takes 6 months worth of Shermans to fill out her TO&E. The four hybrid CLVs can become full CVLs in 42 after 6 months in shipyards. Force Z now has a third BB.
I warned Nathan about some of the surprises the Allies may have that he may have glanced over. For those not familiar with these mods, long ago I damaged/disabled the USA economy by at least 50% or more. This was my attempt to represent the need for USA economy to spin up rather than start off with everything running full speed. It will take until Jan '42 before the effects are not felt too severely. There is the Free French fleet arriving in May 42. There is the American Armored Div that arrives in Dec 42 that can be bought out rather withdrawn for Europe. It just takes 6 months worth of Shermans to fill out her TO&E. The four hybrid CLVs can become full CVLs in 42 after 6 months in shipyards. Force Z now has a third BB.
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Go get 'em Michael!
Moving KB2 down to Darwin is...a...bit edgy...
Moving KB2 down to Darwin is...a...bit edgy...
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Nice to see the Zeroes bombing from 10k rather than strafing at Pearl.
Lahaina is nice, but what sunk? This is another potential target for the Zeroes flying low.
Darwin over Manila is interesting, and of course is an attempt to be in position to get all the Thundering Herd I think.
Force Z is so potent here...I am curious what you did with them on day 1. I suspect in this mod, a lot like nasty nasty, scrapping the Pearl Strike to deliver potent blows in the SRA might be worthwhile.
Lahaina is nice, but what sunk? This is another potential target for the Zeroes flying low.
Darwin over Manila is interesting, and of course is an attempt to be in position to get all the Thundering Herd I think.
Force Z is so potent here...I am curious what you did with them on day 1. I suspect in this mod, a lot like nasty nasty, scrapping the Pearl Strike to deliver potent blows in the SRA might be worthwhile.
RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Oh, goody. Here I was wondering what would grab my attention after John & Dan's game
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Good luck and enjoy your journey both of you.
RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
This looks fun. So many good games starting! [8D]
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Be prepared for an incredibly fast expansion within the first 3 months. He zigged and I zagged and he flat out beat me strategically. I guess the third game just gave him too much info on my psyche ;]
Great to see you both playing this match. I cannot express what a fantastic opponent NJP is. You are going to have a great time!
Great to see you both playing this match. I cannot express what a fantastic opponent NJP is. You are going to have a great time!
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Looks like an interesting game.
Poor Washington! [:(]BB Washington, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
ORIGINAL: Big B
The obvious question is - "Will each shell do at least 0ne Million Dollars worth of damage?" If not, someone needs to look at this again and rethink it.
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
No more posting from me until Nathan visits and goes away. [;)]
Operational security.....
Operational security.....
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Would you see any possibility of escape for the thundering herd by diverting east?
Many would be picked off by LBA but if sufficiently dispersed a few may make it through.
May be better than heading straight into a KB.
What is the point in putting Washington in Pearl at start in this scenario?
I played an early version of BTS against the AI, but have not looked over the Lite version.
Many would be picked off by LBA but if sufficiently dispersed a few may make it through.
May be better than heading straight into a KB.
What is the point in putting Washington in Pearl at start in this scenario?
I played an early version of BTS against the AI, but have not looked over the Lite version.
Hans
RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
Suscribed... Good luck!!
RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
[:-]ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Would you see any possibility of escape for the thundering herd by diverting east?
Many would be picked off by LBA but if sufficiently dispersed a few may make it through.
May be better than heading straight into a KB.
What is the point in putting Washington in Pearl at start in this scenario?
I played an early version of BTS against the AI, but have not looked over the Lite version.
Michael said no further details until after Nathan visits the AAR to give his opening remarks!
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
In this morning's turn, Nathan remarked that it is too late to make comments. Right now each AAR is closed to each other, so sage advice is welcome here. I'll try to get this AAR caught up in the next few days, but lots of micro-managing of the "Thundering Herd" as I try to get what I can to safety.
KB 1 & 2 are operating off Johnson Island (Dec 11th they are 5 SE). [&:] I see few normal invasions (none on Luzon or Malaya [X(]) so I sense a Eastern Pacific campaign in the days ahead.
KB 1 & 2 are operating off Johnson Island (Dec 11th they are 5 SE). [&:] I see few normal invasions (none on Luzon or Malaya [X(]) so I sense a Eastern Pacific campaign in the days ahead.
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
41 Dec 8: No follow up attacks at Pearl. No invasions where you would think.
CVs:
KB 1 & 2: 11 NNE of Johnson Is (Is this a normal retreat to cover Wake invasion?)
KB 3: 5 NE Darwin (My shipping here gets hit again - xAP sunk)
KB 4: 4 NE Kuching
Subs:
RO-34 claims an xAKL off Zamboanga
Invasions:
Singkawang & Kuching
DEI:
Sabang area: 9 Kates sink xAKL
Namlea falls to para
Malaya:
Singapore: 20 Oscars vs 16 Hurricanes & 17 Buffalo = 5:1 The Oscars don't do well already. However, 18 Zero down 4 for no losses in PM phase.
Philippines:
4 NW Laoag: 1 0f 8 Brit PT is lost facing 2 CA, 3DD
Off SE Mindanao: 18 Betty from Babeldoab sink 3 xAKLs
Clark: 7 Zero escort in 16 Nell vs 22 P40s = 4:1
China:
Hong Kong: over 75 bombers hit base and port damaging 5 xAKLs
Notes:
I have NavS up this turn and no TFs off Malaya or Luzon. So, the wondering game begins of where all those troops are going?!?
CVs:
KB 1 & 2: 11 NNE of Johnson Is (Is this a normal retreat to cover Wake invasion?)
KB 3: 5 NE Darwin (My shipping here gets hit again - xAP sunk)
KB 4: 4 NE Kuching
Subs:
RO-34 claims an xAKL off Zamboanga
Invasions:
Singkawang & Kuching
DEI:
Sabang area: 9 Kates sink xAKL
Namlea falls to para
Malaya:
Singapore: 20 Oscars vs 16 Hurricanes & 17 Buffalo = 5:1 The Oscars don't do well already. However, 18 Zero down 4 for no losses in PM phase.
Philippines:
4 NW Laoag: 1 0f 8 Brit PT is lost facing 2 CA, 3DD
Off SE Mindanao: 18 Betty from Babeldoab sink 3 xAKLs
Clark: 7 Zero escort in 16 Nell vs 22 P40s = 4:1
China:
Hong Kong: over 75 bombers hit base and port damaging 5 xAKLs
Notes:
I have NavS up this turn and no TFs off Malaya or Luzon. So, the wondering game begins of where all those troops are going?!?
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
What is going on Mister Michael? Give us an update!
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
We are cranking out turns despite the 14 hour time difference (Eastern USA to Brisbane). We are approaching the end of Dec. Most of Java has fallen, but the Philippines have been ignored and Malaya was so slow that over 1150 AV is now in Singapore. Meanwhile, Hilo has just fallen and KB 1&2 has been in general Hawaii area for the war to date. He is two hexes to east of Sian in China
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RE: More Psych Warfare - njp72 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
That's a helluva update! [X(]
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