The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A)

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Not necessarily all 4 B-29s damaged so much as you got the damage message 4 times (ostensibly; FoW and all). Could've been the same plane 4 times, theoretically.

Right!

I've watched most of the replays and I admit I don't see it al, but I'm pretty sure that it's usually multiple planes taking damage. I'm not sure which is better though. If one plane takes four hits it has a better chance to go down, so that seems like a good thing. [:)]
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[font="Times New Roman"]July 23-24, 1944[/font]
The 23rd is quiet with a small B-29 strike on Wakayama. These harassing strat bomb strikes are becoming less effective, but he does get a few resources points taken off. I hope the B-29s are just getting more and more fatigued for the big day strikes. [:)] Like ...

... the 24th. The Allies send waves of sweeps and well escorted strikes at Sapporo. The Japanese defenders hold them off and get the better of them today though. Sweepers suffer heavy losses and don't wear down the CAP enough to keep them off the bombers. Even with the most well escorted strike the CAP gets through. The 4Es hit the fields and destroy a lot of airframes, but lose 27 of their number including about 3 B-29 reported lost. The sweepers lost about 75 in A to A, and that means a lot of downed pilots. The Japanese had fewer A to A losses (~55) and only 15 pilots KIA on the day. About 50 planes (Bettys and Sells on ASW duty) destroyed on the ground. The total was ~140 IJ lost to 125 Allied lost.

This is continuing a trend that shows a swing in favour of the defenders. Sapporo has great AA, lots of radar, a good selection of the best Franks, Georges, Jacks and the brand new Oscar IV, which played the low role in the layered low CAP. It had fewer losses than the Franks or Georges, surprisingly, as this is usually the level that suffers most in this setup.

I'll rotate groups out and be ready for anything else arriving tomorrow.
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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 14
Fires 9685

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 33
Fires 22230

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 24, 1944
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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed by flak


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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 36
N1K2-J George x 93
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

CAP engaged:
S-401 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
Yokosuka Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 20 on standby, 16 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
S-402 Hikotai with J2M3 Jack (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 16 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 38380.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
1001 Ku U-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 13 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-43-IV Oscar (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 29 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 36810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
73rd Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 29 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 37400.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
87th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 18 on standby, 22 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 41,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 34
N1K2-J George x 89
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 46
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 46
Ki-84a Frank x 48

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 32
N1K2-J George x 82
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 45
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 42
Ki-84a Frank x 46

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 31
N1K2-J George x 76
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 39
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
40 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet [cooperating sweep; only 18 Corsairs showed up in the replay combat screen]
5 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 39,800 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 28
N1K2-J George x 69
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 36
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 38800 feet *
6 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 38800 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 65
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 32
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 17
B-24J Liberator x 26
B-29-1 Superfort x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 51
F4U-1A Corsair x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
H8K2-L Emily: 4 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 5 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 11 destroyed on ground

E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 4 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed


Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 26
N1K2-J George x 54
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 18
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2-L Emily: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed


Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K2-J George x 46
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 18
N1K2-J George x 41
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K2-J George x 35
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A)

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[font="Times New Roman"]July 25-27, 1944[/font]
The B-29s went for Nagaoka at night and Irvings reacted using radar to go for them. It seemed to disrupt the raid nicely, and a few were hit, then flak took a few more.

There was no action at all on the 26th, and then on the 27th a big set of sweeps and raids go for the resources at Kushiro again. This one turned out even better than the strike at Sapporo a few days before. On the day about 60 Corsairs shot down, and a healthy 20 4E lost to A to A and flak. The best thing is that although the strikes did get through, they only hit for 7 against the resources.

The defenders lost 17 pilots KIA, and I'd wager the Allied lost triple that or more. The kills also get some to ace and 80+ exp golden boy status. Since this is a big island with a rail network for tomorrow I can easily swap out the groups and have the same kind of CAP with similar top pilots ready to go.

Elsewhere the Marianas now are being set up with a limited defence of about a brigade each. I'll have a mobile air transport reserve at Babeldaob for the entire region in case he goes in lightly somewhere trying to mop up on the cheap. The same idea will be employed in the DEI.

Hokkaido bases are all building to 6+ forts. Sapporo is nearly at level 9. Bihoro is nearing level 8. Kushiro aiming for level 7. Wakkanai lagging at nearly level 6. Muroran and Hakodate are less likely targets but will still build to at least level 6 forts.

Any clear hex on the coast on Honshu will also aim for at least level 7 forts. If I lose a KB vs DS clash the last thing I want is a flash invasion of Japan. Forts will hopefully ensure if a landing occurs it can be contained for long enough to send plentiful reinforcements.
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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 11

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Manpower hits 7
Fires 8940


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 4
Fires 13410


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 9
Fires 24585


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 5
Fires 30545


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 26, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 18
N1K1-J George x 45
N1K2-J George x 45
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 18
N1K1-J George x 39
N1K2-J George x 38
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 14
N1K1-J George x 37
N1K2-J George x 34
Ki-84a Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 12
N1K1-J George x 32
N1K2-J George x 28
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25H Mitchell x 21
B-29-1 Superfort x 10
P-38J Lightning x 23
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 38
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

PB4Y-1 Liberator: 6 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 25
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 8
N1K1-J George x 19
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 4
N1K1-J George x 14
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 2
N1K1-J George x 10
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A)

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[font="Times New Roman"]July 28, 1944[/font]
Another strike at Kushiro, this time at night, and the Nick Id comes through, finally. These planes showed their toughness, lasting through many waves of bombers and for the first time downing more than they lost. They got to the B-29s as well, with one confirmed kill and many damage messages. On the day the Allies lose another 15 4E and 8 2E for only 4 Nicks lost in A to A (while another 6 were lost to ops).

The most significant thing about the strikes is that they resulted in exactly one resource hit out of 60+ 4E and 15 2E on the night. [&o]

The Allies had pushed up to 10-12k for this strike, which is interesting, and although that may have helped reduce flak losses, the flak still did well and hits were reduced. This kind of strike is a smaller version of the defence the Allies will find later at Tokyo and Osaka; multiple NF groups, lots of radar, and a lot of AA of all different types.

I fully expect Dan will pick another completely random target next and it'll catch me out of position. Although I've been working tirelessly in the background to reinforce all bases with some radar and AA, some significant spots that are less well know still don't have adequate AA and aren't in range of the currently available NFs. I do have more on the way, with two groups arriving in the next week. There are still some naval base forces arriving back in the HI and a few AA units coming in the next few days. I've begun sending back out the reduced defensive perimeter garrisons, and this will continue for the next month.

In Burma the IJA has pulled back from Prome anticipating the Thai units evaporating in three days. I'll see how Dan reacts before I move back further. I want to go to Rangoon and Pegu and hold for a while, but it's risky. Although Pegu is similar to Prome in that it's clear and has 6 forts, I may not be able to hold it in the same way since it's vulnerable to bombardments by sea.
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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/B with Ki-45 KAId Nick (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 1000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
53rd Sentai/B with Ki-45 KAId Nick (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 22

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4
B-24J Liberator x 4
B-25H Mitchell x 6
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 16

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Liberator B.III bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 3 destroyed

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25H Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Prome (55,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12187 troops, 134 guns, 789 vehicles, Assault Value = 6529

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 553

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 553 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Prome !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
26th Indian/A Division
9th Australian Division
14th Indian Division
754th Tank Battalion
6th Australian Division
14th Army Engineer Battalion
5th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
23rd Indian Division
Americal Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
193rd Tank Battalion
39th Indian Division
27th Infantry Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
29th British Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
2nd British Division
40th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
7th Australian Division
32nd Infantry Division
268th Motorised Brigade
19th Indian Division
26th Indian/B Division
26th Indian/C Division
IV Indian Corps
23rd AA Bde
XXXIII Indian Corps
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
70th Coast AA Regiment
XXXIII Corps RIASC Base Force
175th USAAF Base Force
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
96th Coast AA Regiment
X' Force
205th Coast AA Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
208th Coast AA Regiment
78th Coast AA Regiment
Southeast Asia
77th Coast AA Regiment
I/14th Army RIASC Base Force
85th British AT Gun Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st West African AA Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
197th Coast AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
858th Engineer Aviation Battalion

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[font="Times New Roman"]July 29, 1944[/font]
All quiet on the 29th. No action anywhere.

The Allies are moving quickly into our new holding hex in Burma. When they've all arrived it should be 8.5-9k AV of good Allied units. I've got about 5k AV with a LOT of AA and big heavy arty. It's a x2 hex, so could be dicey. I want to encourage an attack though and see if he'll sacrifice a bunch more 4E trying to hit the troops and get a negative result in the DA before I pull back farther. If this group could hold at Prome, I can't see why they wouldn't in this terrain once they have a fort or two built. Soon though it'll be back to Rangoon and Pegu.

On the mountain border with China the Chinese exile troops are attempting an invasion of their homeland. All red units on the map below are dug in divisions, and the Chinese are pouring into those hexes, sometimes 4-6 units in each. There could be some major battles up there soon, but supply has to be scarce. I'm also reinforcing Indochina and getting units up onto every base to garrison against para drops behind the lines.

The new defence of the Marianas is in place. Each base gets two Naval Guards/SNLF units, plus a base force and an engineer unit. There will be a brigade at Pagan and a few more at Babeldaop to air lift in the event of an Allied invasion. It's odd having so little here, but the forts are still there, and I can have up to 400AV in any single base within a few turns, so that is still a decent defence if he goes in lightly. I don't think he'll mess with them though.

In the DEI I will have a mobile reserve at Singapore, another at Ambon, and some other units able to air transfer on Java. Not much though. Again, only one division at Singers and a few brigades at Ambon. Only some of the bigger airfields like Kendari, Macassar, Koepang and Dili will have continuous garrisons.

The PI is also pretty bare now. A few naval guards on Mindanao, a few more plus two brigades on Luzon. All of this enables me to have much more around the HI on the now fortified islands in the Bonins, at and around Okinawa and Formosa, and of course especially on the Kuriles.


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I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.

I've been monitoring carefully along that road especially. I have an ID at Chang Mai to delay in case I get beat back here at some point. There are no movements off road not shown in this pic as of a few days ago though. I'll keep on checking just in case! [;)]

I am curious what he'll do when that one deep Chinese unit heading for Luangbrabang hits two brigades and a tank regiment dug in there with 4 forts. Will he attack?
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.

You would need to control all intervening hex sides, but yes you can lengthen the supply path at least.
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[font="Times New Roman"]July 30, 1944[/font]
The B-29s hit Matsuyama at night. It's got some engine factories and other industry, and not a lot of defences, but the Nick's from Hiroshima bleed over and intercept using their radar, and the Beasts suffer! On the day only a few manpower hits and light fires destroy about 9 engine factories, and 3 are shot down in A to A with another 2-3 lost to Flak.

The B-24s hit the Kuriles for the first time, looking to try and suppress airfield building (or fortification) at Simushiri and Ketoi jima. There is light damage, and it should be repaired within a day or two. Both bases have big engineer contingents right now, and plenty of supply. He'd have to really commit to stop anything now, with daily attacks and lots of 4E lost due to flak and ops.
In Cent Pac the Allies take Eniweitok easily in the first assault. This had about a half of an SNLF unit still in base with no arty. It didn't have a chance.
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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak


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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak


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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 2
Fires 1160


Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 3
Fires 2900

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Naval bombardment of Eniwetok at 127,108

Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
CL Raleigh

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port hits 8
Port supply hits 1

BB Richelieu firing at Eniwetok
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL Raleigh
CL Raleigh firing at Eniwetok

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Ground combat at Eniwetok (127,108)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 10373 troops, 84 guns, 108 vehicles, Assault Value = 326

Defending force 1123 troops, 0 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 303

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 303 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Eniwetok !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1426 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
262 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
1st NZ Brigade
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
Maizuru 3rd SNLF
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Nick D has radar?[&:]
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You should give us a picture of your economic graphic from tracker...and then do it again once monthly so we can track the effectiveness of the Allied strategic bombing campaign...

I am curious to see how well an effective attritional air game can slow down/mitigate this deep invasion tactic. My guess is pretty well.[;)]

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

You should give us a picture of your economic graphic from tracker...and then do it again once monthly so we can track the effectiveness of the Allied strategic bombing campaign...

I am curious to see how well an effective attritional air game can slow down/mitigate this deep invasion tactic. My guess is pretty well.[;)]


I haven't reinstalled tracker on my new machine, so I haven't been using it at all. I might try this weekend. It's a good idea. I've been collecting scenes of the info and air losses to compare over time, but there is a lot of changeability and FOW in air losses.

I am pretty sure that about 100 B-29-1 have been destroyed in about the last 45 days.

I'm also putting together a sheet of approximate airframe totals at this point and what has been lost by best estimates.
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Nick D has radar?[&:]

Sorry, I meant it's using base radar from Matsuyama. Somehow they ended up there in number from Hiroshima, so that's my guess. Those reactions weren't happening a month ago, which confused me at first, because I was so used to them working from my last game. I realised how much earlier this was and that a lot of the IJNAF base forces were still all over the map. Now every major base with industry has at least one radar and most likely 3-4 of various types.
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[font="Times New Roman"]July 31, 1944[/font]
The Allies go for the Kuriles airfields at last. I was wondering when this would happen. Currently all of the bases are defended by big base forces with lots of 12cm and 8cm DP guns. This strike at 8k feet resulted in decent hits to the fields but also a lot of 4Es damaged. I would guess some didn't make it back.

Shasukotan has nearly 200 engineers so this damage will be fixed quickly and they'll hopefully be back to building forts and enlarging the airfield to size 4 within a day or two. Maybe the Allies will come back, but it will be a difficult campaign to continue keeping damage on fields and inhibiting fort building. Para and Onneketon are nearing forts 6, with just a few days to go. A few other bases, the middle three, are still only approaching forts 5, but have a ton of engineers. Uruppa and Etorofu are all set with forts 6 and full garrisons of 1,100-1,200AV.

It's nearly August 44. On August 7 it'll be two full months of Allied occupation on Sakhalin.

In August the Japanese get a lot of nice new airframes. The J2M5 is coming online. This will also increase Jack production from 75 to 105. The Frank Ki-84b is arriving, adding another 90 Franks to the fighter pools each month. The Myrt will be producing for recon, switching from the Judy line. Also, the Randy Ki-102b FB will take over as frontline FB from the Nick Ia that's been going since 42. I'll be making 30 of those but I'll keep making 34 Nick Ia, since I plan to convert a few more MB groups to FB (using PPs).
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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 25
P-38J Lightning x 23
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 10
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shasukotan , at 135,49

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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[font="Times New Roman"]August 1-4, 1944[/font]
Ok. A lot of ground to cover. We were away for Easter and although turns have been continuing, I haven't had time to update. There has been a bit more action lately.

The attacks on the Kuriles were either postponed or rained out for a few days, but began again on the 4th of August. I had set two groups of Georges in a low CAP trap on Shimushiri-Jima, and although there was no recon, the Allies recommenced right there. They got the better of the Georges, though. I think this is when I realise having multiple airframe types do what they do best at each level of the CAP is really the best practice.

The Georges got some back when the bombers and their escorts arrived. He's using good fighters to escort, which gets the bombers through, but I'll take 8 Corsairs for a strike on a non-industrial target. These islands are built up, and only really need more forts at this point. If he's going to lose 4Es and 3rd gen fighters to bomb them, that's all good by me, especially since the damage is cleaned up after a day or two with 200+ engineers on each base.
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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 76

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 12 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11
P-38J Lightning x 23
F4U-1A Corsair x 36
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 31

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 32

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 18
B-24J Liberator x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
E13A1 Jake: 3 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed


Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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With 4-5 B-24s lost, many more damaged, about 12-15 Corsairs downed, the day was definitely worth the loss of 25 Georges. The Japanese don't have extensive pools, but this is loss without significant VP gain or destruction of industry, and that is good at this point in game. The defensive war continues, but it won't for ever. More offensive weapons and opportunities are on the horizon.

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[font="Times New Roman"]August 5-7, 1944[/font]
I've got some catching up to do here. I'l try to get current by the weekend at least, but Dan has suddenly been sending turns more frequently. I guess with only one game going he can do that now and still get out for some mountain walking! [:)]

During these turns the Allies picked Onneketon-Kima to pound with the 4Es. Flak does it's job though, limiting hits and taking out a handful of 4Es, including some B-29s, while damaging many more. A few bombers lost on the ground for the IJ, but nothing major. I'll move the ASW crews back for now.

No strikes on the 7th, but lost a TK to the Golet near Daito. A rare sub hit on something important.
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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 28
P-38J Lightning x 36
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
P-51B Mustang x 16
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed on ground
B6N1 Jill: 3 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 8 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 9
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 24
B-29-1 Superfort x 9
P-38L Lightning x 24
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 8
P-51B Mustang x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2103 troops, 98 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 4411

Defending force 109687 troops, 1117 guns, 1082 vehicles, Assault Value = 3176

Japanese ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
46th Indian Brigade
Guides Cavalry Regiment
32nd Infantry Division
27th Infantry Division
25th Indian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
23rd Chindit Brigade
14th Chindit Brigade
193rd Tank Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
50th Indian Para Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
255th Indian Tank Brigade
6th Chinese Corps
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
8th Medium Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
197th Coast AA Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
31st Division
1st Tank Division
14th Tank Regiment
48th Division
18th Division
55th Division
5th Division
2nd Division
23rd AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
43rd Const Co
16th AA Regiment
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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A shot of Burma. I've moved back out of Prome, and the Thais have gone home. A few brigades arrived to combine into divisions with some here, so that helped plug a few holes. It looks like the Allies might try a river crossing one hex outside of Rangoon. I'm curious about that. I'll make sure a lot of tanks and heavy arty are there digging, and we'll wait and see what happens.

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[font="Times New Roman"]August 8, 1944[/font]
Tough day in the air as the Allies go for Kushiro and get about 3:1 with numerous sweeps. I had a fourth band for my low CAP settings here, but I think it messed up the balance a bit. I'll go back to normal 9k-7k-5k. Still he does lose a lot more than these reports would indicate, based on my watching of the replay, and the ops losses from damaged planes heading home should be high as well. At least we only lose 30 or so pilots KIA. I am getting short on the pools right now. I need training groups!! This is early to be having fights over the Home Islands and it messes up Japanese training programs completely.

Still, I have faith that with the numerous groups available I can keep rotating, recovering, flying CAP in rear bases with rookies, and whittling down the Allied pools. He will be getting low on P-47D2 soon, and the P-47N doesn't start until earl 45. The Corsairs are plentiful though, and he's using them liberally and effectively. Hopefully this is limiting the numbers and pools for CV use later.
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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 18
A6M8 Zero x 8
N1K2-J George x 81
Ki-84a Frank x 98

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 16
A6M8 Zero x 8
N1K2-J George x 73
Ki-84a Frank x 84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 12
A6M8 Zero x 6
N1K2-J George x 63
Ki-84a Frank x 75

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 9
A6M8 Zero x 6
N1K2-J George x 54
Ki-84a Frank x 62

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
12 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
5 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 49,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 7
A6M8 Zero x 5
N1K2-J George x 45
Ki-84a Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 5
A6M8 Zero x 4
N1K2-J George x 32
Ki-84a Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 7 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 40000 feet
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Ouch.

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Try not to use the slow 5c in a layered CAP....it seems to me the slow speed really makes the low cap under perform. Oscar IV which is a bit faster is as slow as I would go when mixed with Franks.

They 5c makes for great anti carrier cap traps as it still can shoot down Hellcats and even Corsairs that are escorting bombers, deep bomber defense and also good for escort of slower kamikazes...whenever you get them.
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Try not to use the slow 5c in a layered CAP....it seems to me the slow speed really makes the low cap under perform. Oscar IV which is a bit faster is as slow as I would go when mixed with Franks.

They 5c makes for great anti carrier cap traps as it still can shoot down Hellcats and even Corsairs that are escorting bombers, deep bomber defense and also good for escort of slower kamikazes...whenever you get them.

Thanks. Could be that. I usually have Oscars or A6M8 or Tojo down there. Actually the Tojo and Oscar IV seem to work the best, so that supports what you're saying. Nice since I have a lot of those.

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[font="Times New Roman"]August 9-12, 1944[/font]
The 9th is mostly quiet, with strikes at Urruppa-Jima and Liauyuan in Manchuria. I fully support the B-29s being used for these kinds of strikes!! Quite a few are damaged on the day, and very little damage recorded in spite of eh low altitudes against the industry.

On the 10th Ketoi-Jima is the main target with a few more strikes at Uruppa. Several B-24J lost on the day, and a lot more damaged. The Allies bombard near Prome, getting about equal losses since the IJA hasn't yet dug in completely.

On the 11th Allied DDs run in and sink two good E torpedo boats. Didn't see them coming and I've moved my DBs out since the air strikes are walking closer to Para now.

More 4E lost to flak as the Allies target Simushiri-Jima.

On the 12th the Allies furiously strike at Rangoon and Sapporo with massive sweeps. The losses on both sides are huge, but the IJ pilots hold their own and get close to 1:1 on the day. The Corsairs were tough, the Hellcats vulnerable, and the P-47s got about 1:1 only, which is the point of the low CAP.

About 55 pilots lost on the day, but I bet the Allies lost more. Lets see what happens tomorrow. I'll switch out groups, but keep CAP going at both bases.
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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 12
B-29-1 Superfort x 21
P-38J Lightning x 25
P-51B Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Liaoyuan , at 105,40

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Allied losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 3000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Liaoyuan , at 105,40

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 3000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Liaoyuan , at 105,40

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Light Industry hits 3


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 3000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 12
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 32

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 3 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 11 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 33

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 20

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 141312 troops, 1300 guns, 1180 vehicles, Assault Value = 4433

Defending force 109747 troops, 1117 guns, 1082 vehicles, Assault Value = 3178

Japanese ground losses:
169 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Guides Cavalry Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
27th Infantry Division
32nd Infantry Division
14th Chindit Brigade
5th Chinese Corps
50th Indian Para Brigade
1st New Chinese Corps
25th Indian Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
23rd Chindit Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
46th Indian Brigade
6th Chinese Corps
2nd Indian AA Bde
197th Coast AA Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
8th Medium Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
48th Division
1st Tank Division
55th Division
18th Division
31st Division
5th Division
14th Tank Regiment
2nd Division
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
43rd Const Co
70th Field AA Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
16th AA Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 139,47, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hatsukari, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Tomozuru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Stevens
DD Isaac Sweers

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 26,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Stevens engages E Tomozuru at 13,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 18
Liberator B.VI x 9
B-24J Liberator x 11
B-25H Mitchell x 23
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR August 12, 1944
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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 36
N1K1-J George x 45
N1K2-J George x 90
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 42,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 32
N1K1-J George x 39
N1K2-J George x 72
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 36,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 29
N1K1-J George x 37
N1K2-J George x 68
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Corsair II sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 42
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 77
Ki-84a Frank x 54

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 38,800 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 36
N1K2-J George x 60
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 14

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 40,800 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 20
N1K1-J George x 30
N1K2-J George x 53
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 10 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 41
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 72
Ki-84a Frank x 51

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 40
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 60
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 16
N1K1-J George x 24
N1K2-J George x 49
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 34
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 54
Ki-84a Frank x 37

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 9 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 40000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 48,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K1-J George x 21
N1K2-J George x 45
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 7 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4
B-24J Liberator x 18
P-38J Lightning x 18
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15
P-51B Mustang x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak


Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 9
N1K1-J George x 17
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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