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Intelligence enemy loss report September 24th 1944

1st Tank Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
42nd Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
66th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
1st Guards Field Artillery Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
1st Air Defense AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
112th AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
115th AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
116th AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
118th AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
1st Machine Cannon AA Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
64th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Ankei SNLF Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
21st Mortar Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
25th RGC Temp. Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
59th Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
5th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
12th Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
14th Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
23rd AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
1st Raiding Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
2nd Shipping Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
102nd AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
101st Machine Canno AA Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
11th Shipping Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
31st Air Defense AA Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
25th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
64th Field AA Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
109th Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
50th Ind.Mixed Brigade Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
9th Ind.Mixed Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
12th Ind.Mixed Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
13th Ind.Mixed Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
1st JNAF Coy Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
3rd JNAF Coy Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
9th JNAF Coy Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
51st Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
53rd Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
59th Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
62nd Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
63rd Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
67th Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
69th Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
131st Naval Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Hirippin JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
37th Ind. Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
41st Ind. Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
13th Field AF Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
2nd JAAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
10th JAAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
13th JAAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
16th JAAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
11th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
18th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
19th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
57th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
65th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Nanyo Cho JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
2nd JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
5th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
7th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
8th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
13th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
24th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
39th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
40th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
43rd JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
64th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
65th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
68th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
89th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
105th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
107th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
108th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
109th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
112th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
113th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
140th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
143rd JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
146th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
164th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
165th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
169th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
170th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
172nd JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
189th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
244th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
248th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
134th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
148th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Kanto JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Waifu JAAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Suzuka JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
Oita JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
3rd Depot Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
6th Depot Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!
55th Depot Division Wiped Out at Tokyo by attrition!!!

Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Tokyo

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Captured enemy list of dispersed units – evening Sept. 24th 1944

Could these units re-organise and pop up again?

44th Division DISPERSES!
44th Division DISPERSES!!
86th Division DISPERSES!
86th Division DISPERSES!!
81st Division DISPERSES!
81st Division DISPERSES!!
93rd Division DISPERSES!
93rd Division DISPERSES!!
72nd Division DISPERSES!
72nd Division DISPERSES!!
6th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!
6th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!!
8th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!
8th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!!
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!!
118th Division DISPERSES!
118th Division DISPERSES!!
1st Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!
1st Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!!
14th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!
14th Ind.Infantry Brigade DISPERSES!!
4th Division DISPERSES!
4th Division DISPERSES!!
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!!
48th Division DISPERSES!
48th Division DISPERSES!!
100th Division DISPERSES!
100th Division DISPERSES!!
105th Division DISPERSES!
105th Division DISPERSES!!
7th Shipping Engineer Regiment DISPERSES!
7th Shipping Engineer Regiment DISPERSES!!
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!!
89th Division DISPERSES!
89th Division DISPERSES!!
35th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!
35th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!!
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade DISPERSES!!
2nd Amphibious Brigade DISPERSES!
2nd Amphibious Brigade DISPERSES!!
Thai Aviation Coy DISPERSES!
Thai Aviation Coy DISPERSES!!
Gohoku JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Gohoku JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
13th Base Force DISPERSES!
13th Base Force DISPERSES!!
27th Special Base Force DISPERSES!
27th Special Base Force DISPERSES!!
33rd Special Base Force DISPERSES!
33rd Special Base Force DISPERSES!!
7th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
7th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
16th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
16th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
32nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
32nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
36th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
36th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
41st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
41st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
45th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
45th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
47th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
47th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
50th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
50th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
51st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
51st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
52nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
52nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
53rd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
53rd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
55th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
55th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
58th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
58th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
60th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
60th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
61st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
61st JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
62nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
62nd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
63rd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
63rd JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
64th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
64th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
66th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
66th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
67th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!
67th JNAF AF Unit DISPERSES!!
Nampo Shoto JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Nampo Shoto JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
3rd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
3rd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
47th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
47th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
66th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
66th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
70th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
70th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
72nd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
72nd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
74th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
74th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
80th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
80th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
87th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
87th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
93rd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
93rd JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
141st JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
141st JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
144th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
144th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
166th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
166th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
175th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
175th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
176th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
176th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
187th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
187th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
11th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!
11th JAAF AF Bn DISPERSES!!
Mito JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Mito JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
Hamamatsu JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Hamamatsu JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
Kashiwa JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Kashiwa JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
Gifu JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Gifu JAAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
Kasumigaura JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!
Kasumigaura JNAF Base Force DISPERSES!!
Guards Depot Division DISPERSES!
Guards Depot Division DISPERSES!!
5th Depot Division DISPERSES!
5th Depot Division DISPERSES!!

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Strategic map September 24th 1944

Most of the red points except those in the Central Pacific are places where the enemy has once been but hasn’t been checked out physically. The Bonins, Palau, the Aleutians, the Solomons and New Britain have garrisons which haven’t showed any activity for months, if not years. There are some units on the Japanese part of Sakhalin and the islands between Kyushu and Okinawa, as well the neighbouring islands of Okinawa.

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Intelligence overview September 25th 1944

As can be seen the enemy has had no air losses in spite of a couple of hundred of sorties. That is so simply because they are
mainly flying reconnaissance missions. There were no air clashes or attacks this day.

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Ships sunk per September 24th 1944

As can be seen from the list there has been numerous enemy attempts to communicate with Tokyo with his destroyer escorts the last month. Most have failed. His, submarines, however, are succeeding regularly. Mostly in the vicinity of Tokyo. They have lost that base now but there are others.

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Congrats on finally taking Tokyo and achieving a 3:1 VP ratio! Huzzah!


It does not matter how a unit is destroyed/dispersed - it can be bought back from the destroyed units list. The exception are some fixed unique units like big forts.

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Rookie ?????[;)]






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Rookie ?????[;)]
OK, I'll bite - What are you getting at with that?

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Rookie ?????[;)]
OK, I'll bite - What are you getting at with that?

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Congrats on finally taking Tokyo and achieving a 3:1 VP ratio! Huzzah!

Thank you - I didn't know there was such a rule. Too bad it didn't coincide with the fall of Tokyo....[:)]

I suppose any enemy re-instated units have to do that in Tokyo? If so, I'd say they have a problem.

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There are likely some alternate bases where the units can appear - maybe Osaka or Nagasaki.
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Sitrep September 26th 1944 - afternoon.

With the crushing of the last active enemy units near Tokyo on September 26th 1944 the fight for the Japanese capital was over and the mainland of Japan totally cleansed of enemy forces.

Fred

Ground combat at Tokyo September 25th 1944

Attacking force 333019 troops, 7096 guns, 9829 vehicles, Assault Value = 10143
Defending force 23159 troops, 21 guns, 121 vehicles, Assault Value = 42

Japanese ground losses:

29919 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4206 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 30 (30 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (102 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Units destroyed 29

Allied ground losses:

276 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Ground combat at Tokyo September 26th 1944

Attacking force 334187 troops, 7100 guns, 9833 vehicles, Assault Value = 10260
Defending force 1992 troops, 0 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese ground losses:

1757 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 325 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Units destroyed 1 – last one!

Allied ground losses:

22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


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Nice! Are you going for a clean map?
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Thank you - but I do not think so, takes too ling time - I started this 18 months ago as a tool for my book series. Now I hope to finish and put up book
8, then go back to the start, brush up all of them and finally integrate all into one - "Saving MacArthur - The Book". That's the plan, anyway...[;)]..

It would have been cool to finish it completely, as well as sending the troops home...[:)]

Also, I would like to replay it with a human opponent willing to play the Japanese the way they intended to achieve their goals.

Wonder what happened to the Emperor?

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I've got abstinences....[&:]

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If the US leadership had been more politically aggressive they could also have made better use of the Anzac forces returning from the Middle East. This coupled with a combined US Army/Navy offensive along the lines indicated by you would have been a formidable force.

As another un-accredited historian who for university did a project on the transfer of the 6th, 7th and 9th Divisions to the Pacific and the role of the Australian Political Leadership in the transfer, I must disagree. I consider the aggressive use of the ANZAC forces impossible in 1942. In reality the bulk of the returning AIF forces were only just getting from India to Australia in September and between the fall of Singapore and the heavy losses in North Africa so far in the War, Curtin and the Australian Government were very unlikely to commit to another so called "fortress." And the Australian Military Force, our Conscripted Militia more or less were unable to serve outside of Australian territories which is a reason why Australian Forces were relegated to garrison and Secondary Operations later in the war.

In other words, Australia had very little to offer any American Defence of the Philippines. Whether it was possible in general though, I am not sure, and you are more educated on the state of American Forces, but Australian assistance to the Philippines would have been impossible other than a handful of cruisers and destroyers.

Edit: Forgot to say, I like the AAR and congratulations on the imminent capture of Tokyo.

Thank you!

To clarify a little. In my scenario the Anzacs do not go via India, or anywhere else, on their way back to Australia. Also,
they did not, and weren't planned to either, to help the Americans in the Philippines, only to help keep the way open for
US aid to The Philippines. To that effect they fortified the island chain from Bali to Timor together with Dutch
Forces withdrawing from Java. This was effected by increased pressure from Washington,

"choose between us and the British. If you do not choose us we shall pull out of the South-West Pacific." Simple as that.
It worked! The first ANZAC forces left the Middle East during the winter/spring of 1942, did they not?

As for the militia and its unavailability to serve outside Australia that was just a matter of policy/law which certainly
could have been changed during the right circumstances. However, I did not make use of them other than what was possible
through the game.

That this at all worked was because everything early available from the outside was used to strengthen the defense of Menado
and Ambon. That broke the enemy progress because they planned on using much the same forces in many places. In that way the
route through the Moluccans was kept open. The main part of this reinforcement was the artillery battalions and other units
on the Pensacola convoy which steamed straight through to Menado. A carrier and cruiser task force also brought air and land
forces there. To secure the Moluccans as a transfer route was Eisenhower's idea but it was impossible to implement because of
the total unwillingness of the US Navy to participate.

No British forces participated untill after Singapore, etc. had fallen and then only some air and naval units.

The philosophy is explained in the first book in my book series - Saving MacArthur: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018F2QMEW

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If the US leadership had been more politically aggressive they could also have made better use of the Anzac forces returning from the Middle East. This coupled with a combined US Army/Navy offensive along the lines indicated by you would have been a formidable force.

As another un-accredited historian who for university did a project on the transfer of the 6th, 7th and 9th Divisions to the Pacific and the role of the Australian Political Leadership in the transfer, I must disagree. I consider the aggressive use of the ANZAC forces impossible in 1942. In reality the bulk of the returning AIF forces were only just getting from India to Australia in September and between the fall of Singapore and the heavy losses in North Africa so far in the War, Curtin and the Australian Government were very unlikely to commit to another so called "fortress." And the Australian Military Force, our Conscripted Militia more or less were unable to serve outside of Australian territories which is a reason why Australian Forces were relegated to garrison and Secondary Operations later in the war.

In other words, Australia had very little to offer any American Defence of the Philippines. Whether it was possible in general though, I am not sure, and you are more educated on the state of American Forces, but Australian assistance to the Philippines would have been impossible other than a handful of cruisers and destroyers.

Edit: Forgot to say, I like the AAR and congratulations on the imminent capture of Tokyo.

Thank you!

To clarify a little. In my scenario the Anzacs do not go via India, or anywhere else, on their way back to Australia. Also,
they did not, and weren't planned to either, to help the Americans in the Philippines, only to help keep the way open for
US aid to The Philippines. To that effect they fortified the island chain from Bali to Timor together with Dutch
Forces withdrawing from Java. This was effected by increased pressure from Washington,

"choose between us and the British. If you do not choose us we shall pull out of the South-West Pacific." Simple as that.
It worked! The first ANZAC forces left the Middle East during the winter/spring of 1942, did they not?

As for the militia and its unavailability to serve outside Australia that was just a matter of policy/law which certainly
could have been changed during the right circumstances. However, I did not make use of them other than what was possible
through the game.

That this at all worked was because everything early available from the outside was used to strengthen the defense of Menado
and Ambon. That broke the enemy progress because they planned on using much the same forces in many places. In that way the
route through the Moluccans was kept open. The main part of this reinforcement was the artillery battalions and other units
on the Pensacola convoy which steamed straight through to Menado. A carrier and cruiser task force also brought air and land
forces there. To secure the Moluccans as a transfer route was Eisenhower's idea but it was impossible to implement because of
the total unwillingness of the US Navy to participate.

No British forces participated untill after Singapore, etc. had fallen and then only some air and naval units.

The philosophy is explained in the first book in my book series - Saving MacArthur: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018F2QMEW

Fred

All this assumes the Australians could be cajoled into following the US lead. I think this ignores a large political reality.
After the British badly mishandled use of Australian forces on Gallipoli (erroneous maps, poor intel on Turkish dispositions, frontal charges uphill into MG fire, etc.) the Australians returning from WWI were not keen on sending their sons to do that again.

The government managed to get enough support to send AIF troops to help the "mother country" in early WWII, but after the losses at El Alamein I am sure the political capital for any further adventures would have expired. Combine that with the independent streak that is part of the Australian character, and the country would have told any government planning to deploy militias to go to hell. How else to explain that their dockyard workers went on strike and work-to-rule during the war? They just didn't want to believe the sacrifices were worth it. Going as far as Papua was OK - that was Australian territory. Beyond that, the country would not support. It was bad enough that their Navy lost CA Canberra and CL Perth already. (CL Sydney was lost to a German raider, not the IJN).
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All this assumes the Australians could be cajoled into following the US lead. .....

The government managed to get enough support to send AIF troops to help the "mother country" in early WWII, but after the losses at El Alamein I am sure the political capital for any further adventures would have expired. Combine that with the independent streak that is part of the Australian character, and the country would have told any government planning to deploy militias to go to hell. How else to explain that their dockyard workers went on strike and work-to-rule during the war? They just didn't want to believe the sacrifices were worth it. Going as far as Papua was OK - that was Australian territory. Beyond that, the country would not support. It was bad enough that their Navy lost CA Canberra and CL Perth already. (CL Sydney was lost to a German raider, not the IJN).

I largely agree with BBF here.

Interestingly much is made of American pacifism or isolationism in the interwar period; but it existed in very large doses in Canada, Australia, New Zealand as well.

In fact in one very sorry instance 1944 an entire group of conscripted Canadians broke military discipline : google Terrace mutiny - Canada - 1944 Conscription crisis : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace_mutiny

Serious.. sentiments about 'no involvement in (primarily) European wars and old colonial politics... and in Canada's instance the movement was both Anti British and Anti French (Republic) although there were closet fascists, communists, and anarchists at the fringes of public sentiment.

I think the Australians were more prone to ally themselves with the United States early in the war - especially when the home front was threatened.

But beyond deploying troops in New Guinea / Rabul / Coral Sea is an open question.

Canada too willingly moved their political and military into the new 'American sphere of influence' mid war during the Italian campaign / Aleutian Campaign / Pacific contributions (mostly Naval); however I am not convinced that it would have included a division or brigade for the beachheads after Okinawa.... assuming MacArthur wanted Canadians...




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