VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome)
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome)
Turn 6 detailed run through of the Bryansk attack.
I will run through the attack sequence of how I look at things. I hope this helps some people out in their games & if you have any questions please ask or point out where I have gotten something wrong. By all means, I'm no expert but I always strive to do the best I can. Please comment your thoughts. Thank you.
Please note that setting up a defense is an artform too. I know when I was playing the Soviets I was my own worst enemy. Why? Because I was setting up a defense on how I do my offense and was defending against "me". I just haven't seen many people do what I do on my attacks. Hopefully, I can get people to look at the opening turns for Germany in a different way now. I can show you how I would have set up a defense to protect against this sort of attack too. Although people would probably laugh at the defense I would set up. But really is a simple defense to combat this when you think about it long enough. But maybe I should keep that secret to myself ;-P
Here is what I want to accomplish on the Bryansk attack to set the scenario up again.
Orange = Combat Units
Yellow = HQ's and normally the end of the combat line, not always
White = empty hexes and this tells us a great deal.
Blue lines with arrows = retreat path envisioned for those units
Black lines = The Bryansk Highway
I will run through the attack sequence of how I look at things. I hope this helps some people out in their games & if you have any questions please ask or point out where I have gotten something wrong. By all means, I'm no expert but I always strive to do the best I can. Please comment your thoughts. Thank you.
Please note that setting up a defense is an artform too. I know when I was playing the Soviets I was my own worst enemy. Why? Because I was setting up a defense on how I do my offense and was defending against "me". I just haven't seen many people do what I do on my attacks. Hopefully, I can get people to look at the opening turns for Germany in a different way now. I can show you how I would have set up a defense to protect against this sort of attack too. Although people would probably laugh at the defense I would set up. But really is a simple defense to combat this when you think about it long enough. But maybe I should keep that secret to myself ;-P
Here is what I want to accomplish on the Bryansk attack to set the scenario up again.
Orange = Combat Units
Yellow = HQ's and normally the end of the combat line, not always
White = empty hexes and this tells us a great deal.
Blue lines with arrows = retreat path envisioned for those units
Black lines = The Bryansk Highway
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Turn 6 Bryansk attack
Step 1
Bring the SS unit down to attack the Soviet in the Woods. The attack will force the Soviet to retreat to the rail line SE almost "all" the time. After the attack move one hex NE and attack the next unit
Step 1
Bring the SS unit down to attack the Soviet in the Woods. The attack will force the Soviet to retreat to the rail line SE almost "all" the time. After the attack move one hex NE and attack the next unit
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk walkthrough.
Step 2
The 2nd attack succeeds on the 2nd unit marked #2 in the snapshot. The reason this unit retreated to the hex NE is because #1 was next to the SS and was not a retreat priority hex. The two hexes marked #3 were not retreat priorities because the hex circled in red with white background with a black X turned friendly with a ZOC. Therefore the units #1 retreat priority was NE only. So the first path was open without having to commit the extra Moto unit or Armor unit to open this path up. Therefore they will be used to further encircle the two Soviet divisions to the South. At all times I always try and move units the farthest from the front first to open things up. This way I benefit the most with the extra MPs if that makes sense, rear to front movement.
The added benefit is that I have 4 MP's left to break into regiments and limit Soviet MP's. I always try to have MP's left over if possible and this one worked out just fine
The attack on Bryansk walkthrough.
Step 2
The 2nd attack succeeds on the 2nd unit marked #2 in the snapshot. The reason this unit retreated to the hex NE is because #1 was next to the SS and was not a retreat priority hex. The two hexes marked #3 were not retreat priorities because the hex circled in red with white background with a black X turned friendly with a ZOC. Therefore the units #1 retreat priority was NE only. So the first path was open without having to commit the extra Moto unit or Armor unit to open this path up. Therefore they will be used to further encircle the two Soviet divisions to the South. At all times I always try and move units the farthest from the front first to open things up. This way I benefit the most with the extra MPs if that makes sense, rear to front movement.
The added benefit is that I have 4 MP's left to break into regiments and limit Soviet MP's. I always try to have MP's left over if possible and this one worked out just fine
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The attack on Bryansk walkthrough
Step 3
I bring up an Armor Division and a Moto Division. I only attack with the Armor division to force this Soviet division NE. The unit will retreat to the rail hex pretty much all the time.
Step 3
I bring up an Armor Division and a Moto Division. I only attack with the Armor division to force this Soviet division NE. The unit will retreat to the rail hex pretty much all the time.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 4
I now move the Moto Division one hex east to force the next 3=6 division to retreat to the SE. I don't want the division to retreat to the clear terrain directly east.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 4
I now move the Moto Division one hex east to force the next 3=6 division to retreat to the SE. I don't want the division to retreat to the clear terrain directly east.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 5
I now attack with the armor division SE the Soviet 3=6 division to force the division to the woods hex SE. Once that is finished I then move the Armor division into the same hex as the German Moto division for my next attack. (please note before all these attacks I make sure my HQ's are all in range all down the line. Also if I have certain odds I will break the Division down into regiments not to route the unit(not the case here but just saying). I also will move the HQ out of range in certain circumstances to NOT get leadership bonuses based on what I see. Yes, you read that correctly. I move the HQ out of range of the unit. Not all the time do you want to get max benefit from leadership roles. I'm sure a lot of you are shaking your head but just think about different situation where you don't want specific things to happen and get back to me on it )
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 5
I now attack with the armor division SE the Soviet 3=6 division to force the division to the woods hex SE. Once that is finished I then move the Armor division into the same hex as the German Moto division for my next attack. (please note before all these attacks I make sure my HQ's are all in range all down the line. Also if I have certain odds I will break the Division down into regiments not to route the unit(not the case here but just saying). I also will move the HQ out of range in certain circumstances to NOT get leadership bonuses based on what I see. Yes, you read that correctly. I move the HQ out of range of the unit. Not all the time do you want to get max benefit from leadership roles. I'm sure a lot of you are shaking your head but just think about different situation where you don't want specific things to happen and get back to me on it )
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 6
I now attack the 11=9 Soviet stack and I'm 100% sure the unit will retreat down the rail line. My ultimate destination for them is the hex I numbered #1. There is only one unit in the #1 hex and two more units would be so nice and comfy there . Knowing this unit will follow the rail lines on its retreat 100% makes my life easy
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Step 6
I now attack the 11=9 Soviet stack and I'm 100% sure the unit will retreat down the rail line. My ultimate destination for them is the hex I numbered #1. There is only one unit in the #1 hex and two more units would be so nice and comfy there . Knowing this unit will follow the rail lines on its retreat 100% makes my life easy
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 7
As expected 100% the two units retreated down the rail line. I now bring up a fresh armor division to finish the herding of these two units to the desired hex.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 7
As expected 100% the two units retreated down the rail line. I now bring up a fresh armor division to finish the herding of these two units to the desired hex.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 8
Fresh German Armor brought up to carry on the attack of the Soviet 8=5 two division stack. 100% will follow the rail to the SE on the retreat to my corral point in the making.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 8
Fresh German Armor brought up to carry on the attack of the Soviet 8=5 two division stack. 100% will follow the rail to the SE on the retreat to my corral point in the making.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 9
No surprises at all and the sheep were herded to the hex desired in the #1 spot. Next will attack the next unit to the east forcing it to the SE. Please take note of the circle with #2 in it. These are some well-led units and high experience/morale units.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 9
No surprises at all and the sheep were herded to the hex desired in the #1 spot. Next will attack the next unit to the east forcing it to the SE. Please take note of the circle with #2 in it. These are some well-led units and high experience/morale units.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 10
No surprises at all yet again. The sheep have begun there journey and hope to get them below (SE) of the last herded hex # 2 on the snap shot. So far so good. But I am concerned since Armor units are brittle and like to route 70% of the time so trying to get the inf div & the armor division is going to be painful to retreat across when the time comes. Please see forward for more details when I get to that point.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 10
No surprises at all yet again. The sheep have begun there journey and hope to get them below (SE) of the last herded hex # 2 on the snap shot. So far so good. But I am concerned since Armor units are brittle and like to route 70% of the time so trying to get the inf div & the armor division is going to be painful to retreat across when the time comes. Please see forward for more details when I get to that point.
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Turn 6
the attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 11
I bring up a fresh Moto Unit. SS MOTO UNIT! I love these guys. The unit will retreat to the SE. Why? Because the forest with rail is going further away, in MP's, to a supply source and will retreat to a clear rail hex this time. At least that is what I believe to be the case and know the unit will retreat to the SE.
the attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 11
I bring up a fresh Moto Unit. SS MOTO UNIT! I love these guys. The unit will retreat to the SE. Why? Because the forest with rail is going further away, in MP's, to a supply source and will retreat to a clear rail hex this time. At least that is what I believe to be the case and know the unit will retreat to the SE.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 12
The Sov Div retreated SE as expected. I will now move SE with the SS Division and displace 2 HQ's and attack the Rif Division and tank Division. They will retreat to either east or SE. I just hope the Tank division doesn't route and hope it is a strong one.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 12
The Sov Div retreated SE as expected. I will now move SE with the SS Division and displace 2 HQ's and attack the Rif Division and tank Division. They will retreat to either east or SE. I just hope the Tank division doesn't route and hope it is a strong one.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 13
The Soviet division split retreated, which is normal, and now the middle section looks open. The SS division has 6 MP's left over and will stop here to break down into regiments to restrict Soviet Movement. I will now bring up another division and walk it one hex at a time to make 100% sure the two 0?0 units in front of me are HQ's. I know for sure one of them are and i'm 99.9% sure the other one is too since that is how they show up after recon.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 13
The Soviet division split retreated, which is normal, and now the middle section looks open. The SS division has 6 MP's left over and will stop here to break down into regiments to restrict Soviet Movement. I will now bring up another division and walk it one hex at a time to make 100% sure the two 0?0 units in front of me are HQ's. I know for sure one of them are and i'm 99.9% sure the other one is too since that is how they show up after recon.
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Turn 6
Tha attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 14
Bring in a fresh Moto unit and walk it forward. I displace two HQ and I now head to the AT brigade to the North displacing the HQ again.. The AT brigade will retreat 100% to the NE along the rail.
Tha attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 14
Bring in a fresh Moto unit and walk it forward. I displace two HQ and I now head to the AT brigade to the North displacing the HQ again.. The AT brigade will retreat 100% to the NE along the rail.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 15
Nothing unusual and the AT brigade retreated as expected. I now will bring up the 1st Guderian Armor Division to try and move the Rifle Division & tank division across the river.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 15
Nothing unusual and the AT brigade retreated as expected. I now will bring up the 1st Guderian Armor Division to try and move the Rifle Division & tank division across the river.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 16
I bring up an armor division to attack the 11=14. These two units will retreat to the SW but the armor is brittle and could route. I know this hex took a few attacks and I don't remember now if I broke the armor division down into regiments and attack individually to wear them down a little bit. But I know this was a tough hex and I did have another armor unit if needed to come around the backside to help attack if necessary.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 16
I bring up an armor division to attack the 11=14. These two units will retreat to the SW but the armor is brittle and could route. I know this hex took a few attacks and I don't remember now if I broke the armor division down into regiments and attack individually to wear them down a little bit. But I know this was a tough hex and I did have another armor unit if needed to come around the backside to help attack if necessary.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 17
The attacked worked after a few attacks and both retreated to the Corral . Now it is just movement to finish the encirclement and now I know I have an extra Tank Division and an extra Moto division to try and encircle the two Soviet Rifle divisions at the bottom since I didn't need them for back up up here if I had too many failed attacks.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 17
The attacked worked after a few attacks and both retreated to the Corral . Now it is just movement to finish the encirclement and now I know I have an extra Tank Division and an extra Moto division to try and encircle the two Soviet Rifle divisions at the bottom since I didn't need them for back up up here if I had too many failed attacks.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 18
Bring in the rest of the units, but not everything, to start sealing off the 3 pockets.
***** Please note that I know that the hex NE of Bryansk is 3 HQ units. 1 that started there and 2 that were displaced to there. So with a 90+ exp Moto regiment I need 8 mp's to get to that hex.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 18
Bring in the rest of the units, but not everything, to start sealing off the 3 pockets.
***** Please note that I know that the hex NE of Bryansk is 3 HQ units. 1 that started there and 2 that were displaced to there. So with a 90+ exp Moto regiment I need 8 mp's to get to that hex.
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Turn 6
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 19
The final position of the encirclement. Any comments would be greatly appreciated & again I'm no expert and hope I shed some light on how I look at things. Please ask any questions or comments. Or just tell me I'm an idiot and I'm doing it wrong. Either way, both are appreciated.
I can do the Leningrad one if you like but that was an easier scenario IMO.
Thank you for reading and hope I have helped in some way for others that are trying their hand in the game. I have helped many one-on-one and more than happy to assist in what little knowledge I have if you have questions. I answer all emails and PM's.
The attack on Bryansk Walkthrough
Step 19
The final position of the encirclement. Any comments would be greatly appreciated & again I'm no expert and hope I shed some light on how I look at things. Please ask any questions or comments. Or just tell me I'm an idiot and I'm doing it wrong. Either way, both are appreciated.
I can do the Leningrad one if you like but that was an easier scenario IMO.
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