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Can the battleship Novorossiysk be added to the Soviet surface ship roster?
Originally the Giulio Caesare, was transferred to the USSR in 1949. I kinda need it for an RP. The ship was planned on being refit with 12" guns, but sank before that could happen.
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Adding on to this, the Andrea Doria class need to be added, they served in the MM until 1956. I know these won't be high on the priority list, but their inclusion would be enormously appreciated.
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Could you check the US FRAM gearings (and maybe the sumners as well) but their fuel consumption is way off...like 1 years worth of fuel...the Fletchers seem ok.

Also none of the FRAMs or Albany, Des Moines, Iowa etc have any UNREP capability.

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Just checked the latest CWDB 473

Still there...Gearings etc. can steam at flank speed for 6 months.

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Fixed
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I've done some research regarding the Italian Starfighter variants, which concern both databases. In the interest of brevity, I'll just copy my findings from researching the operating and maintenance manuals here:

I was playing the “Albania Airstrike” scenario and I noticed the Interceptor version of the F-104S had a radar whose range was shorter than it’s missiles’ range. Moreover, the fighter-bomber had a much longer-ranged radar, which struck me as odd.

So I dug around for some information about the F-104S and I found some Maintenance Manuals that shed some light on the issue:

In page 13-4 of the manual (or page 187 of the pdf file) it says:

“a. Configurazione R21G/H NASARR per velivole AWX. In tale configurazione il radar opera congiuntamente all’impianto di comando e lancio missili AIM-7E (…).

b. Configurazione F15G/H NASARR per velivoli FB che no contempla l’impiego dell’impianto di comando e lancio missili AIM-7E.”

Translation:

"a. NASARR R21G/H configuration for AWX aircraft. In this configuration, the radar works together with the AIM-7E missile control and launching system (...).

b. F15G/H NASARR configuration for FB aircraft that does not include the use of AIM-7E missile control and launching system."

So, according to the maintenance manual, the Interceptor (AWX) version carried the R21G/H radar and the fighter-bomber (FB) version carried the F15G/H radar, not the other way around.

Also, according to page 13-5 of the manual (page 188 of the pdf file) all interceptor variants of the F-104S (AWX and ASA-CIO) carried an IR sight.

Finally, according to page 1-2 of the manual (15 of the pdf), only fighter-bomber variants (FB and ASA-CBO) carried an ECM suite: the FB variant carried the ALQ-70, while the ASA-CBO carried the updated ALQ-70/73. The cannon was only carried by fighter-bomber variants as well.

[P.S.: Would you be so kind as to consider some of the configuration detailed in page A1-6 (348 of the pdf) of the Flight Manual? The 2 wingtip tank + 2 underwing tank + 2 Sparrow/Aspide missiles configuration seems very interesting (and useful!), in particular.]

Considering this data, I suggest the following changes:

#2245 – F-104S Starfighter
- The F-104S version represented in this entry is a fighter-bomber, and as such, should have the EL-70 ECM/RWR suite and the NASARR F-15G radar instead of the R-21G/H.

#2823 – F-104S Starfighter CBO
- It should use FFAR rockets instead of HYDRA rockets.
- It should be capable of carrying 2 LAU-10/A rocket pods (4 ZUNI rockets each).
- The ground attack version of the F-104S used the NASARR F-15G radar, not the R-21G/H.
- This version should be renamed the F-104S/FB Starfighter.

#2105 – F-104S Starfighter CIO
- The interceptor version of the F-104S used the NASARR R-21G/H, not the F-15G.
- It should have an infrared sight.
- This version should be renamed the F-104S/AWX Starfighter.

Sources:
https://theaviationist.com/2009/04/21/f ... explained/
https://www.avialogs.com/aircraft-l/loc ... i-generali
https://www.avialogs.com/aircraft-l/loc ... s-aircraft
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Is it ok if I prepare some suggestions in a Google Docs document and then link it to here? The forum is hard to work with, and there is alot that I want to suggestion. I don't want to spam so I would prefer to keep my posts to a minimum.
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The AN/APQ-104 Radar

I was browsing the database when I noticed something odd: of the French Navy’s Crusaders, the oldest version has an immensely superior radar (the AN/APQ-94) than the later version’s radar (the AN/APQ-104). According to the information I was able to find, not only did the AN/APQ-94 never equip the French Crusaders (as it was unable to illuminate the R.530 SARH missile, the main armament of the French F-8E) but the AN/APQ-104 was an upgrade of the AN/APQ-94! However, it is markedly inferior.

Let’s compare the stats of both radars:

The AN/APQ-94 has a range of 50NM, is noted in the database as “Radar, FCR, Air-to-Air, Short-Range” and has the following Abilities: Late 1950’s Tech, Air Search, Range, Altitude, Speed, and Heading Information.

The AN/APQ-104, in contrast, has a range of 8NM (half of the range of it’s primary weapon), is noted in the database as “Radar, Range-Only” and has the following Abilities: Late 1970’s Tech, Air, Surface, and Ground (Fixed) Search, and Range Information.

The information I was able to find states that the AN/APQ-104 radar is an upgraded AN/APQ-94, capable of directing the R.530 missile, with a range of 60NM for navigation and 25NM for interception. It has also been in service since the first Crusaders were delivered to the French Navy in 1964.

I hope I’ve provided you with hard enough evidence in sufficient quantity to convince you to take action regarding this piece of equipment.

Additionally, in the sake of completeness, I’ll add some minor suggestions below to make the affected aircraft’s loadout historically accurate.

#668 – F-8E(FN) Crusader [Le Crouze]
- It should have the AN/APQ-104 radar instead of the AN/APQ-94.
- It should also carry the R.530 (IR) missile.

#2847 – F-8E(FN) Crusader [Le Crouze]
- It should also carry the R.530 (IR) missile.

Sources:
http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/crusader.htm
http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_fighters/f8_16.html
http://www.crusader.gaetanmarie.com/art ... /part1.htm
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmi ... n-apq.html

Thank you, once again, for your willingness to hear our comments and suggestions!
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No problems it's on the too do list
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On the same issue of Crusader radar, range of APQ-94 against a bomber size aircraft stated in the same site as 110 Km/59 nm, APQ-104 apparently very similar, only customized for French use:
http://www.crusader.gaetanmarie.com/art ... /part1.htm
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Hey Paul....

just wanted to say "thanks" for what you and the whole team does!

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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

On the same issue of Crusader radar, range of APQ-94 against a bomber size aircraft stated in the same site as 110 Km/59 nm, APQ-104 apparently very similar, only customized for French use:
http://www.crusader.gaetanmarie.com/art ... /part1.htm
Thanks will update as required
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Hey Paul....

just wanted to say "thanks" for what you and the whole team does!

[&o]
Thanks :) we try and do our best across the board but somethings things slip through but we do pick them up, database wise takes alot of research I normally work on cross reference three different sources before I commit to an update as we use public domain sources for what we do etc, the older platforms take abit more time due to the time frame ie 1950s etc
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Hi Sirius

Please add Heavy Rocket loadout to RN Navy Phantom FG.1. 10 pods! This picture from 1972

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I want to start of by saying that I'm very grateful to .Sirius for implementing all my sugestions regarding the Portuguese Air Force. Unfortunately, I've found some mistakes. I don't want to sound like an entitled prick but I feel that way when I complain about the way someone did something for me without asking for nothing in return. Oh well, here it goes:

Mostly, the thing I've found was some aircraft had loadouts that were too heavy for them to carry. Allow me to elaborate:

F.95 Panoramic Camera

- Currently the F.95 is only capable of Surface Search. It should also have Ground Search (Fixed) and Ground Search (Mobile), as it was used in that function, historically.

#3727 – FIAT G.91 R/3 (’76-’93)

- Please remove the 4 x BL.755, 4 x Mk20 Rockeye, 4 x Mk77 Incendiary, SNEB 68mm and SNEB 68mm Long Range loadouts, as the first three are too heavy for the plane to take off and the last two use rockets that never entered service with the Portuguese Air Force
- Please add a 2 x Mk82 + 2 x 520l drop tank loadout
- Please add an “Internal Guns Only” loadout with 2 x 520l drop tanks for AAW missions
- The “100Kg GPB, Mk82 LDGP (BAI/CAS)” should have 4 x 50Kg GPB instead of 4 x 100Kg GPB. The current loadout is too heavy for the plane to take off.
- Please remove the ability for probe refuelling, as the G.91 didn’t have that capability.

#3728 – FIAT G.91 R/4 (’66-’93)

- The G.91R/4 had 4 x 12,7mm M2 Browning machine guns as main armament, not the 2 x 30mm DEFA 552 cannons
- Please remove the “AIM-9B Sidewinder” and “AIM-9B Sidewinder Long Range” loadouts, as the Portuguese G.91s were only fitted with AIM-9B launchers in 1981
- Please remove the 4 x BL.755, 4 x Mk20 Rockeye, 4 x Mk77 Incendiary, SNEB 68mm and SNEB 68mm Long Range loadouts, as the first three are too heavy for the plane to take off and the last two use rockets that never entered service with the Portuguese Air Force
- Please add a 2 x Mk82 + 2 x 520l drop tank loadout
- Please add an “Internal Guns Only” loadout with 2 x 520l drop tanks for AAW missions
- The “100Kg GPB, Mk82 LDGP (BAI/CAS)” should have 4 x 50Kg GPB instead of 4 x 100Kg GPB. The current loadout is too heavy for the plane to take off.
- Please remove the ability for probe refuelling, as the G.91 didn’t have that capability.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/201 ... t-g91.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2008/11/f ... mento.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2008/11/p ... iat-2.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2008/11/p ... iat-3.html
http://asasdeferro.blogspot.pt/2017/07/ ... -gina.html
http://www.airvectors.net/avamx.html
http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/ita ... 91-r3.html
http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/ita ... 91-r4.html

#44 – G.91 Gina

- The SNEB rocket loadout should have 38 rockets instead of 36 (2 x Matra 116M launchers with 19 rockets each)
- Please remove the ability for probe refuelling, as the G.91 didn’t have that capability.
- Please add a 2 x Mk82 + 2 x 520l drop tank loadout

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/ita ... 91-r3.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNEB

#948, #2517, #2462, #2249, #2665, #2342, #2107, #1054, #1047, #2595, #3709, #1070, #2203, #1905, #2401, #1875, #2627, #878, #64, #2208, #1811 – F-86F Sabre

- Please remove the 4 x BLU-23/B, 4 x M64 500lbs GPB and 4 x Mk82 500lbs LDGP loadouts, as only the inboard stations of the F-86F could carry bombs
- Please consider removing the Mk82 LDGP and the Mk83 LDGP from this aircraft, as it could be anachronistic

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/201 ... sabre.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2010/12/f ... l2010.html
http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/item/56117.html

Also, regarding the Portuguese Alouette III, you added the "Lobo Mau" gunship with the 20mm cannon (#3706), but also with cargo and SAR loadouts. Is there any way to tie the gun to a specific loadout? Because the cannon platform occupied all cargo space of the Alouette III when it was used as a gunship (as you can see in this picture) so, when the chopper was used as a gunship, it couldn't carry personnel.
Maybe #3706 could remain with just a "Ground Attack" loadout and #1075 could remain the same, but with the "Maritime Surveilance" loadout removed (as it was never used by the Navy)?

Once again, thank you for your efforts and attention!
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All updated :)
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Please Add UK Marconi S-600 System. Was used on Falklands in late 82 after fight and in UK since 1968. Mr. Ragnar make entry for Norway #930 in his data

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... 0radar.pdf

Source http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... ds%20Story

Please add for Oman

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... r%20System

Malaysia 1969

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... 00%20radar

Saudi Arabia 1972

http://www.radarpages.co.uk/download/p172.pdf

Yugoslavia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_A ... ir_Defence

Looks like Kenya, Turkey, Thailand

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... ni%20Radar

Abu Dhabi/UAE: 1976

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... bu%20Dhabi
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I swear to christ this is the last time I'll talk about the G.91!

So I was thinking about the long range loadouts on the G.91 when I saw this picture:
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As you can see, the 520l drop tanks are in the inner pylons and the 260l tanks are in the outer pylons. So when they're carrying 500lb bombs (which can only be carried in the inner pylons), they can only use 260l tanks.

Considering this, I ask of you (pretty please?):

For #3727 & #3728:

- Please change the fuel tanks in the “BL.755 No.1 CB Long Range”, “Mk20 Rockeye II CB Long Range” and “Mk77 500lb Incendiary Bomb Long Range” from a 520l drop tank to a 260l drop tank.
- Please change the fuel tank in the Mk82 500lb long range loadout I requested in my previous post from a 520l tank to a 260l tank.

For #44:

- Please change the fuel tank in the Mk82 500lb long range loadout I requested in my previous post from a 520l tank to a 260l tank.

Also, on a completely unrelated matter, I noticed a bug on all SB2C-5 Helldivers in the database:

#394, #1156, #2670, #1066, #2615, #3427, #3223 – SB2C-5 Helldiver
- The “M64 500lb GPB” loadout has Mk82 500lb bombs instead of the M64 bombs.

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Please add China version of LA-11. Imported 163 La-11 fighters from 1950-1953. The last 18 La-11 airplanes retired in 1966.

Picture:https://www.pinterest.com/pin/9077636727404857/

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ORIGINAL: BDukes

Please Add UK Marconi S-600 System. Was used on Falklands in late 82 after fight and in UK since 1968. Mr. Ragnar make entry for Norway #930 in his data

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... 0radar.pdf

Source http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... ds%20Story

Please add for Oman

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... r%20System

Malaysia 1969

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... 00%20radar

Saudi Arabia 1972

http://www.radarpages.co.uk/download/p172.pdf

Yugoslavia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_A ... ir_Defence

Looks like Kenya, Turkey, Thailand

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... ni%20Radar

Abu Dhabi/UAE: 1976

http://marconiradarhistory.pbworks.com/ ... bu%20Dhabi
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ORIGINAL: Scorpion86

I swear to christ this is the last time I'll talk about the G.91!

So I was thinking about the long range loadouts on the G.91 when I saw this picture:
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As you can see, the 520l drop tanks are in the inner pylons and the 260l tanks are in the outer pylons. So when they're carrying 500lb bombs (which can only be carried in the inner pylons), they can only use 260l tanks.

Considering this, I ask of you (pretty please?):

For #3727 & #3728:

- Please change the fuel tanks in the “BL.755 No.1 CB Long Range”, “Mk20 Rockeye II CB Long Range” and “Mk77 500lb Incendiary Bomb Long Range” from a 520l drop tank to a 260l drop tank.
- Please change the fuel tank in the Mk82 500lb long range loadout I requested in my previous post from a 520l tank to a 260l tank.

For #44:

- Please change the fuel tank in the Mk82 500lb long range loadout I requested in my previous post from a 520l tank to a 260l tank.

Also, on a completely unrelated matter, I noticed a bug on all SB2C-5 Helldivers in the database:

#394, #1156, #2670, #1066, #2615, #3427, #3223 – SB2C-5 Helldiver
- The “M64 500lb GPB” loadout has Mk82 500lb bombs instead of the M64 bombs.

Thanks once again!
no problems all updated
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