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As a native of Vermont and upstate New York, I'm still bothered by how the South deals with even a trace of real winter. I've been in South since '92, so I've grown soft. [;)]

However, today it will be in mid-20s with wind chill down to near 0 degrees F. There is also a dusting of snow. Thus, local schools here in NE Tennessee are closing after just two hours of school today. I think America is getting too wimpy when it comes to dealing with cold weather.
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As a native of Vermont and upstate New York, I'm still bothered by how the South deals with even a trace of real winter. I've been in South since '92, so I've grown soft. [;)]

However, today it will be in mid-20s with wind chill down to near 0 degrees F. There is also a dusting of snow. Thus, local schools here in NE Tennessee are closing after just two hours of school today. I think America is getting too wimpy when it comes to dealing with cold weather.
I have some sympathy for the poor who may not have warm coats for their children to wear to school. But I wonder if the schools themselves have good enough heating plants to keep the whole thing warm enough to sit still in? They are probably built with good insulation because they need it to keep the heat out in the summer.
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too cold for hockey - never thought I would hear that!
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mediterranean coast here, so not freezing, just horribly depressing :|
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As a native of Vermont and upstate New York, I'm still bothered by how the South deals with even a trace of real winter. I've been in South since '92, so I've grown soft. [;)]

However, today it will be in mid-20s with wind chill down to near 0 degrees F. There is also a dusting of snow. Thus, local schools here in NE Tennessee are closing after just two hours of school today. I think America is getting too wimpy when it comes to dealing with cold weather.

NE is getting a big storm today. 12 to 18 inches. If that happened here in Ohio, it would be lights out....GP
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Well we got hit with about 16" of snow in my neck of Long Island. Weather service off by a factor of x2. Still well below freezing, Monday looks like the first day it'll be above since Christmas. About two straight weeks, gotta be close to a record. Like I said I like it though (I'm a freak), well except for the heating bill.[:)] Hey, you can't have everything.
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A skate can glide over ice because there is a layer of ice molecules at the surface that are not as tightly bound as the molecules of the mass of ice beneath. These molecules are in a semiliquid state, providing lubrication. The molecules in this "quasi-fluid" or "water-like" layer are less mobile than liquid water, but are much more mobile than the molecules deeper in the ice. At about −250 °F (−157 °C) the slippery layer is one molecule thick; as the temperature increases the slippery layer becomes thicker.

It had long been believed that ice is slippery because the pressure of an object in contact with it causes a thin layer to melt. The hypothesis was that the blade of an ice skate, exerting pressure on the ice, melts a thin layer, providing lubrication between the ice and the blade. This explanation, called "pressure melting", originated in the 19th century. This, however, did not account for skating on ice temperatures lower than −3.5 °C, whereas skaters often skate on lower-temperature ice. In the 20th century, an alternative explanation, called "friction heating", was proposed, whereby friction of the material was causing the ice layer melting. However, this theory also failed to explain skating at low temperature. In fact, neither explanation explained why ice is slippery when standing still even at below-zero temperatures.


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Well we got hit with about 16" of snow in my neck of Long Island. Weather service off by a factor of x2. Still well below freezing, Monday looks like the first day it'll be above since Christmas. About two straight weeks, gotta be close to a record. Like I said I like it though (I'm a freak), well except for the heating bill.[:)] Hey, you can't have everything.
Well come on up here then! Temp went below freezing around the end of November ( and a few times before that but just for a couple of days) and we expect to get back above freezing in about mid-March.

And they wonder why we get "cabin fever" after a few months of that! Reminds me of the time I was on a C-130 delivering supplies to Alert (northernmost permanently occupied base in the world). We landed in the dark just before noon. As we were unloading the ground crew suddenly stopped and all faced south to see the first hint of daylight on the horizon (sun was still below the horizon). They hadn't seen the sun for several months so no one complained about the work stoppage until the light faded away again about fifteen minutes later!
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Well come on up here then! Temp went below freezing around the end of November

No that's OK, you may keep your frozen tundra. I like the cold, but a few days above freezing this time of year are welcome.
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Made it to 23 (above)up here in Albany today. I think back to zero tonight, and that will be our high on Saturday. Still hitting negatives at night.

Not bad. I remember one year in the late 1970's where it went below zero (F, not C) every day in February. Different year, it never BROKE freezing (from below) in February.

I was living in Troy (right across the river) at the time.
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Made it to 23 (above)up here in Albany today. I think back to zero tonight, and that will be our high on Saturday. Still hitting negatives at night.

Not bad. I remember one year in the late 1970's where it went below zero (F, not C) every day in February. Different year, it never BROKE freezing (from below) in February.

I was living in Troy (right across the river) at the time.
That was the winter of 76-77. The Delaware river froze over.
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That was the winter of 76-77.

Spent that one in Korea. Next year though, while in Massachusetts, they set a record for continuous snow cover. Don't know if that still stands.
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Made it to 23 (above)up here in Albany today. I think back to zero tonight, and that will be our high on Saturday. Still hitting negatives at night.

Not bad. I remember one year in the late 1970's where it went below zero (F, not C) every day in February. Different year, it never BROKE freezing (from below) in February.

I was living in Troy (right across the river) at the time.
That was the winter of 76-77. The Delaware river froze over.

BRUTAL winter - my freshman year in college. The folks from Buffalo came home with pictures (REAL pictures - with that F I L M stuff) of houses with snow drifts up to the eaves.
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Well for all the wussies on here....minus 40 degrees plus 10 degrees of wind chill this morning. It's so cold the moose are falling outa the trees! In northern Alberta it's business as usual.
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And we are expecting close to 110degF (43degC) for Saturday.

Want to swap.

I'm used to that. It's these single digit temps we're having I can live without. I'll take that 110F any day.
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A skate can glide over ice because there is a layer of ice molecules at the surface that are not as tightly bound as the molecules of the mass of ice beneath. These molecules are in a semiliquid state, providing lubrication. The molecules in this "quasi-fluid" or "water-like" layer are less mobile than liquid water, but are much more mobile than the molecules deeper in the ice. At about −250 °F (−157 °C) the slippery layer is one molecule thick; as the temperature increases the slippery layer becomes thicker.

It had long been believed that ice is slippery because the pressure of an object in contact with it causes a thin layer to melt. The hypothesis was that the blade of an ice skate, exerting pressure on the ice, melts a thin layer, providing lubrication between the ice and the blade. This explanation, called "pressure melting", originated in the 19th century. This, however, did not account for skating on ice temperatures lower than −3.5 °C, whereas skaters often skate on lower-temperature ice. In the 20th century, an alternative explanation, called "friction heating", was proposed, whereby friction of the material was causing the ice layer melting. However, this theory also failed to explain skating at low temperature. In fact, neither explanation explained why ice is slippery when standing still even at below-zero temperatures.



Another thing is water has one of the highest surface tensions of any liquid which would work against these theories.

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Back in 2004 we had an extremely cold snowstorm (our first winter in the Portland area). We had a couple of inches of snow followed by an inch of freezing rain, followed by another freeze. When the weather finally cleared enough to get out I ran into a woman in the post office who remembered an even worse storm when she was a kid in the 1930s. The Columbia River froze over and she remembers driving across the river in a Model A.

The river is up to 2 miles across, that's pretty impressive.

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