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The one event that bears more detailed description happened last turn. This is a combat report I did not think I’d write in at least 6 months, if not more:

BATTLE OF THE SOLOMON SEA – February 27/28, 1942

It all started last turn, as an IJN TF was spotted one hex east of Green Island. Since it was not expected to be bigger than a CarDiv (2 CVs plus a CVL), orders were given to the US/Aus/NZ carrier fleet 3 hexes SW of Milne Bay to intercept.

The Allied Fleet was composed of:

* TF X: CV Lexington; CAV Melbourne; CA Pensacola, New Orleans, Portland & Australia; CL Perth & St. Louis; 10x USN DD.
* TF Y: CV Saratoga; CAV Wellington; CA Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, Astoria & Canberra; CL Hobart & Helena; 10x USN DD.
* TF Z: CV Enterprise; CLV Charlotte & Jacksonville; BC Chesapeake; CA Minneapolis & San Francisco; CL Leander, Achiles, Phoenix & Jean de Vienne; 10x USN DDs.

And the flattops carried:
* 90x F4F-3
* 45x F4F-3A
* 66x F2A-3
* 99x SBD-3
* 27x SB2U-3

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201 Fighters and 126 DB aboard three CVs and three Hybrids. Doesn't look bad from the defensive view. TFs are big with lots of AA firepower for this point in the war.

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The result was the bloodiest battle in the war up to this point. Please forgive the wall of text, but I can’t take more out without losing content some readers might find interesting.

I guess at this point in the war it is to be expected that the Japanese Attack arrived first. This time the weather helped me, though:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rossel Island at 106,135 DAY ONE
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
* A6M2 Zero x 41
* B5N2 Kate x 66
* D3A1 Val x 44
Allied aircraft
* F2A-3 Buffalo x 36
* F4F-3A Wildcat x 23
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 46
* F2A-3 Buffalo x 10
* F2A-3 Buffalo x 10

Japanese aircraft losses

* A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
* B5N2 Kate: 15 destroyed, 7 damaged
* B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
* D3A1 Val: 13 destroyed, 8 damaged
* D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
* F2A-3 Buffalo: 2 destroyed
* F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
* F2A-3 Buffalo: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
* BC Chesapeake, Bomb hits 3
* CVL Jacksonville, Torpedo hits 1
* CV Enterprise
* CVL Charlotte, Bomb hits 1, on fire

The Enterprise was attacked, but not hit, which was a relief. The Chesapeake should be able to get back home without much trouble. The CLVs, on the other hand:

*** Fuel storage explosion on CVL Charlotte
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Charlotte


Then it was the Allies’ turn to Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rossel Island at 105,136 DAY 1
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Japanese aircraft
* A6M2 Zero x 43
Allied aircraft
* F4F-3A Wildcat x 22
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 44
* SB2U-3 Vindicator x 27
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 99

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

* F4F-3A Wildcat: 4 destroyed
* F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
* SB2U-3 Vindicator: 1 damaged
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 7 damaged
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
* CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2, on fire
* CVL Ryukaku, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
* BC Chichibu, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
* BC Ishitaka, Bomb hits 7, on fire
* CVL Nisshin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
* CA Suzuka, Bomb hits 1
* CL Tokoro, Bomb hits 1
* CA Niitaka, Bomb hits 1
* CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2

No Japanese CAP was destroyed, but at least Allied plane losses were lower than expected. However, damage to the IJN ships was considerable:

*** Ammo storage explosion on CVL Ryukaku
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Ryukaku
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BC Chichibu
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Nisshin


It was then the afternoon of the 27th, and the Allied seamen braced themselves for a second wave of attacks... which never came! The Allies did fly again, though:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rossel Island at 105,136 DAY ONE
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
* A6M2 Zero x 50
Allied aircraft
* F4F-3A Wildcat x 15
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 27
* SB2U-3 Vindicator x 27
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 98

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

* F4F-3A Wildcat: 2 destroyed
* F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
* SB2U-3 Vindicator: 1 damaged
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships

* BC Ishitaka, Bomb hits 3, on fire
* CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
* CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
* CVL Ryukaku, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
* DD Tanikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
* BC Chichibu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
* CA Niitaka, Bomb hits 1
* DD Kagero, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Once again, Japanese CAP does its job without losing any planes, but Allied losses are lower than expected. Damage to Japanese ships is, once again, considerable:

*** Fuel storage explosion on CV Akagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Akagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Ryukaku
*** Fuel storage explosion on CV Amagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Amagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BC Chichibu


And then, next day, the airstrikes continued. It was a one-sided battle:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Vangunu at 111,136 DAY TWO
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft

* A6M2 Zero x 17
Allied aircraft
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
* SB2U-3 Vindicator x 27
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 18

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

* F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
* SB2U-3 Vindicator: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
* SB2U-3 Vindicator: 1 destroyed by flak
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
* BC Chichibu, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
* CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
* BC Ishitaka, Bomb hits 2
* DD Akebono, Bomb hits 1

There was CAP, so Akagi was not too damaged to begin with, but there were no other capital ships in the hex, so the previous day’s attacks must have hurt.

*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Akagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BC Chichibu


Morning Air attack on TF, near Vangunu at 111,136 DAY TWO
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
* A6M2 Zero x 8
Allied aircraft
* F4F-3A Wildcat x 13
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 11
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 51

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

* F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships

* BC Ishitaka, Bomb hits 12, on fire
* CV Akagi, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Once again, Japanese naval fighter pilots prove their ability, but they are too few, and the USN bombers do their job.

*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Akagi

Morning Air attack on TF, near Vangunu at 111,136 DAY TWO

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
* A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 22

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

* SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
* BC Ishitaka, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
* CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
* BC Chichibu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Once again there is CAP up, which means Akagi was not terribly damaged before the attack. But the USN bombers score some hits, though.

*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BC Ishitaka
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Akagi
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BC Chichibu


And it continued in the afternoon:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vangunu at 111,136 DAY TWO
Weather in hex: Overcast

Allied aircraft
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 9
* SB2U-3 Vindicator x 18
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

Allied aircraft losses
* SB2U-3 Vindicator: 1 destroyed by flak
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Tokoro, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Note that there was no CAP, and that only a CL was attacked.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vangunu at 111,136
Weather in hex: Overcast

Allied aircraft
* F4F-3A Wildcat x 12
* F4F-3 Wildcat x 11
* SBD-3 Dauntless x 52

Allied aircraft losses
* SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
* CL Tokoro, Bomb hits 1, on fire
* DD Hamakaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
* DD Kagero, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
* DD Urakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Only a CL and DDs were attacked. Hopefuly, nothing larger is still afloat.

*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Tokoro
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Hamakaze
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Kagero
*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Urakaze

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Woodlark Island at 105,133

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16

No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses

SBD-3 Dauntless: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
* CA Niitaka
* CA Suzuka
* CVL Ryukaku, and is sunk

*** Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Japanese AV

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Aftermath:

I think I got 1x CV, 1-2x CVL, 1-2x BC. There is at least one flat top still afloat one hex east of Woodlark Island, probably crippled.

Damage to USN Charlotte and Jacksonville was relatively light, but they will both withdraw.

QUESTION: should I order the remaining carriers (3x CVs, 2x CAVs) to hunt and sink the remaining enemy carrier? Or should they quit while they are ahead?

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Damn. That looks like a complete victory in all regards. It is a stinging loss for this early in the war. 2 CV and 2 CVL plus the BC and LBC? Wow.

When I play, I have no issue working with my single CarDivs for the first 4-6 weeks. Considering the Hybrid additions and the Allied proclivity to stack fighters on the CV instead of the TB, I then shift to a PAIR of CarDivs working in unison (4 CV and 2 CVL). Doing that certainly doubles the CAP and, against massed DB, that is a must.

Well done.

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He appears to have had 2 CVs and 2 CVLs, leaving himself exposed to what you did a combined carrier strike with all available carrier assets possible. You did the right thing is taking off useless torpedo planes and replacing them with as many naval fighters, carrier trained, as possible. Though he had you in quality you by more then 3-1 with your CAP out numbered him in quality. Your escort 1.5 to 1 against his CAP was enough to allow your dive bombers the freedom they needed to conduct their strikes as well as any Allied can hope for in early 1942. So in other words a job well done.
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@ John 3rd: Aye, it was a victory of unexpected magnitude. It is not only the ships. It is the naval aviators that were taken out of the equation. I could not be happier with the result. My esteemed opponent now has to choose between the DEI and the SW Pacific, as he can't split his carrier forces in two without a lot of risk. This victory might have saved Port Moresby and other bases from the threat of invasion.

@ Bif1961
: This particular scenario allows the Allied player to do just this. I had lost a CV in transit from Pearl to Australia, which was bad, but this victory more than makes up for it. Torpedo squadrons have been training, training, and then training some more, so they will be ready when better planes are available.

Another USN CV is due in less than two weeks, and a British one in two weeks flat. With this result, I can now take the 2x USN CLVs out of the line and do the conversions to full CVLs. I have 2x USN CVEs ready, with 4x more in the conversion pipeline. If I do not suffer a catastrophic loss, I should do OK.

Of course, no plan survives contact with the enemy.
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Pursue!!!

However, beware of Rabaul and potential Air HQ there with Nell/Betty with Zero as escort. It could be costly, but only you known how he 'may' be deployed in this area.
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Intel says only one land unit in Rabaul, but transports downloading... hmm... decisions, decisions...
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Intel says only one land unit in Rabaul, but transports downloading... hmm... decisions, decisions...
It is unlikely he has enough to blow through your carrier CAP. Destroying his cripples ( which may include a CV you thought sunk) will halt his ops in this area for some time and allow you to set up and supply defences. That is worth the risk of losing a ship or two.
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It is unlikely he has enough to blow through your carrier CAP. Destroying his cripples ( which may include a CV you thought sunk) will halt his ops in this area for some time and allow you to set up and supply defences. That is worth the risk of losing a ship or two.

I agree. Sinking a cripple is worth the risk. I will order the damaged CLVs to port, though.
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March 15th, 1942

Nothing extraordinary has happened since my last post, and I have been swamped with work (and will be until after the first week of February), so I will give snapshots of the situation whenever I can.

After my last battle report, my CVs hunted for cripples for one additional turn, but all I got was a bomb hit on a CA. They then went home to refill their plane squadrons. Current carrrier assets are as follows:

USN: 4x CV, 2x CLV, 2x CVE, with 4x CVE more in the conversion pipeline. Those four will be ready in 80, 80, 110 & 166 days.
RN, RAN, RNZN: 2x CV, 1x CVL, 2x CAV.

The 2x USN CLV will be converted to CVLs at some point, but I am not sure when yet.

I have begun to encounter A6M3 planes over the skies of Palembang, and their impact has begun to be felt. Also, my esteemed opponent has begun making large, high altitude sweeps over Rangoon, and losses have not been in my favor. Here are the accumulated pilot losses:

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For the first time in a long while, Allied plane losses were greater than Japanese plane losses last turn. As I mentioned above, it is due to the high-altitude sweeps over Rangoon. I need to contest the air there, because that is where reinforcements and supplies land in Burma (so far, I have suffered very few attacks on my shipping there, and I'd like to keep it that way). Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

Do note that, overall, I am not in a bad position regarding airframe losses:

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This is a chart of airframe losses, so far. It gives a better feel of how things have been. Sorry for the size. I tried to shrink it once, and it was not easily readable.

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These are the reported Japanese ship losses. BB Ise is most likely not sunk, and one of the CVLs is also most probably only lightly damaged. I do hope the CV Akagi is unllisted, but sunk, though.

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These are the Allied ship losses. Besides CV Yorktown and BC renown, nothing that really hurts. I was surprised to see how many tankers I was able to get out of the Philippines/DEI. They are being put to good use.

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China

I have tried to do my best to delay and bleed my esteemed opponent here, and though I have had some success, I am slowly losing battles one at a time. Chengchow and Wuchow have been lost, and Chuhsien and Nigsia will be lost very, very soon. Loyang still holds on, though, and Wenchow won't fall until IJB BBs stop bombarding Manila and start doing their thing in the Chinese port.

Those Chinese corps that could be bought out have been bought out, and many of them are already out of China. Pilots are being trained, but not used, waiting for better airframes.

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The Phillippines

Falken has conquered everything conquerable, with the exception of four bases: Tawi-Tawi, Basuanga, Calapan, and Manila. Manila has proven a tough nut to crack, even out of supply. Also, the IBJ BB bombardments have damaged a lot of the base's infrastructure: 1x manpower, 23x resources, 21x light industry, all 10x heavy industry, and all 20x repair shipyards have been damaged. Taking into account that it is March 15th, I would say it has been a costly campaign for Japan.

These were the results of last turn's Japanese deliberate attack:

Attacking force 70324 troops, 652 guns, 237 vehicles, Assault Value = 1601
Defending force 59824 troops, 481 guns, 177 vehicles, Assault Value = 1514
Japanese adjusted assault: 1247
Allied adjusted defense: 1707

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)
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Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
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Japanese ground losses:
* 3744 casualties reported
*** Squads: 180 destroyed, 433 disabled
*** Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 79 disabled
*** Engineers: 4 destroyed, 77 disabled
*** Guns lost 48 (2 destroyed, 46 disabled)
*** Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
* 1523 casualties reported
*** Squads: 12 destroyed, 167 disabled
*** Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 55 disabled
*** Engineers: 4 destroyed, 17 disabled
*** Guns lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)
*** Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

The base will fall, and soon (I do not expect it to survive through the month), but so far they have given more than they have taken.
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Layer your CAP at levels below 10k (9k, 7k, 5k) with your best at 9k (Hurricanes), 7k (P-39 or P-40), 5k (Buffalo). Hopefully, your Hurricanes can get the jump when he goes for the slower planes below.
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The DEI

I have somehow been able to hold on to Palembang, which remains strong, and all of Java, which is not as strong as I would like, but has been reinforced by air units, at least. Palembang is being successfully swept by CV-based A6M2s and A6M3s, but IJN pilot losses must be mounting up.

One thing I do not understand is why the British torpedo bombers do not fly from Palembang. Perhaps I am missing something. It is a lvl-4 airfield, 223 Group RAF is there, with 100 torpedoes ready, and there are fighter squadrons assigned to escort. Torpedo planes are set to 10k altitude and escorts to 12k, and all the planes are set to a range of 4. What could I be doing wrong? Dive bombers from Oosthaven have flown and sunk ships, but the torpedo bombers from Palembang do nothing. Enough supply on base, btw.

Malaya

Singapore is bombed every turn by air, its fortifications have been lowered to zero, supply has ran out, attack odds are 1-1, and still they keep the IJA at bay. This is another base I do not think will see April 1st in Allied hands, but they have done more than I could hope for. Its fall will spell the doom of Palembang, I think, and I can't avoid it. I can't risk pouring another three divisions there, on the off-chance that I keep it... or can I?

Burma

The IJA had crossed the river 1 hex NE of Pegu... but they crossed back. I see arround 40k IJA troops in two stacks, across the river from Pegu. I have decided to defend Burma en force, while at the same time keeping strong reserves in India. We will see if my strategy bears fruit. The longer I keep the Burma Road open, the better I fare in China.

The Solomon Sea


There are Japanese forces moving towards Port Moresby across the Owen-Stanley Range. I see four units. I wonder if they really intend to take PM. If they try, they are in for a surprise, as Australian strength there is 4+ Inf Bdes, 3 Art Rgts, etc. Also, with the loss of IJN CarDiv 1, unless Falken sends most/all of his flattops there, I can reinforce with units and supplies, while Japan would have to use the Kokoda trail. I do not foresee losing PM in the immediate future.

Both Noumea and Luganville have important important land units dug in, and I will reinforce them continually. Those two bases will get important air assets very, very soon.

Alaska

The Japanese landed and took Attu before I could reinforce, but Adak will not be that easy. Two regiments plus artillery have dug in, and they will be reinforced. Also, there are air and naval units in theater, ready to counter further moves.

Should Falken send carriers there I would be in trouble, but he would achieve little. As one of you so aptly put it, there is nothing there of real strategic value.

India

USA and USAAF forces have begun to arrive. It is a long trip from the East Coast, but the first USA Inf Div is there, with the second partly on its way. Add artillery and planes to the mix (and engineers in the future), and I think India will hold.

Well, I think that is it. I will gladly answer any questions, and will post again as soon as time allows.
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