OT: The Last Jedi

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RE: OT: The Last Jedi

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Last Jedi was a bad movie.

Director made up stuff to move the 500 plot lines along, then discarded the stuff when it wasn't convenient.

1/3rd of the movie was completely irrelevant to the story.

The 'fake-out' death at the beginning was really poorly done and in extremely poor taste.

When it comes to the Kylo/Luke/Rey/Snoke plot, the director forgot he was directing Act 2 instead of Act 3.

The director let a vision of the special effects drive the story, instead of having the story drive the special effects.

The director left a big mess for JJ Abrams to clean up in Episode X.
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I find your lack of faith in Disney disturbing.
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

Last Jedi was a bad movie.

Director made up stuff to move the 500 plot lines along, then discarded the stuff when it wasn't convenient.

1/3rd of the movie was completely irrelevant to the story.

The 'fake-out' death at the beginning was really poorly done and in extremely poor taste.

When it comes to the Kylo/Luke/Rey/Snoke plot, the director forgot he was directing Act 2 instead of Act 3.

The director let a vision of the special effects drive the story, instead of having the story drive the special effects.

The director left a big mess for JJ Abrams to clean up in Episode X.
You must have left your inner child at home. [:D]
It's Episode IX, not X, that comes next. Rogue One is Episode III.5 [&:]
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My inner child was with me. She's 12 :)

After Force Awakens, she talked non-stop for about 2 days over it. After this one, only about 30 mins.
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No prisoners, no mercy, … but wait, here comes a solitary x-wing fighter that is hailing us. .. Forget about that last edict for a few minutes, because we really need to pause so that itty bitty ship can knock out our cannons and make this a fair and square battle. Don’t launch any tie-fighters to keep an eye on this single fighter, we don’t need em. We are obviously incapable of learning the lessons that doomed the Death Star...twice. And oh yeah, while we can detect transmissions between the old-school rebel cruiser and the x-wing fighter, it’s completely believable that the reb cruiser can’t communicate with us, just this puny fighter can….

okkkaaayyyyyy (sigh)

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This 3rd trilogy needed Thrawn, not Hux.
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SPOILERS - Who would have thought that all along, Yoda could use force-lightning, you know, a decidedly Sith-type force power?

It’s irrelevant stupid “didn’t think this one through” stuff like this, that is completely 100% unnecessary to the movie, so the director can put some “spashy visuals” on the screen, the ruins Last Jedi.

It would have been just as effective, and far more “Star Wars” for Yoda to have picked the Jedi books and force-moved them into a fire. But wait, “lifting rocks” isn’t “dazzling eye-candy” so “force lightning from a Jedi it is”…

The director let his idea of special effects drive the story, instead of letting the story drive the special effects… and that’s what makes Last Jedi a bad Star Wars movie.
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I kept waiting for Jar-jar Binks to appear. [:D]
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I keep showing up for casting calls. Last time some wise guy said "green is definitely not the new black".

Didn't I see you in episode III? I was impressed that you got Leia to wear that awesome outfit. Kudos! Of course-I didn't know how to say this-you look like you put on a few pounds for the role.

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I've been an SF geek from an early age. Grew up watching Star Trek and saw most if not all the SF shows of the 70s and 80s growing up. I also read SF voraciously until the internet came along. I never got into Star Wars though. I saw Episodes 4-6 once each back when they initially came out, but I haven't seen anything the franchise has produced since.

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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

Last Jedi was a bad movie.

Director made up stuff to move the 500 plot lines along, then discarded the stuff when it wasn't convenient.

1/3rd of the movie was completely irrelevant to the story.

The 'fake-out' death at the beginning was really poorly done and in extremely poor taste.

When it comes to the Kylo/Luke/Rey/Snoke plot, the director forgot he was directing Act 2 instead of Act 3.

The director let a vision of the special effects drive the story, instead of having the story drive the special effects.

The director left a big mess for JJ Abrams to clean up in Episode X.
You must have left your inner child at home. [:D]
It's Episode IX, not X, that comes next. Rogue One is Episode III.5 [&:]

I describe Rogue One as Episode 3.95.
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I've been an SF geek from an early age. Grew up watching Star Trek and saw most if not all the SF shows of the 70s and 80s growing up. I also read SF voraciously until the internet came along. I never got into Star Wars though. I saw Episodes 4-6 once each back when they initially came out, but I haven't seen anything the franchise has produced since.

Bill

My wife grew up with one of the Authors of The Expanse series. Sci Fi channel has shown the first two seasons and the third is set to begin in January, IIRC. For true connoisseurs of Sci Fi, I'd strongly recommend this.

I watched the first season of The Expanse and loved it! Working on securing access to the second season. [:)]
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SPOILERS - Who would have thought that all along, Yoda could use force-lightning, you know, a decidedly Sith-type force power?

My alternate interpretation is that Yoda manipulated the atmosphere to create traditional lightning.
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I've been an SF geek from an early age. Grew up watching Star Trek and saw most if not all the SF shows of the 70s and 80s growing up. I also read SF voraciously until the internet came along. I never got into Star Wars though. I saw Episodes 4-6 once each back when they initially came out, but I haven't seen anything the franchise has produced since.

Bill

My wife grew up with one of the Authors of The Expanse series. Sci Fi channel has shown the first two seasons and the third is set to begin in January, IIRC. For true connoisseurs of Sci Fi, I'd strongly recommend this.


Very good show, can't wait for season three.
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SPOILERS - Who would have thought that all along, Yoda could use force-lightning, you know, a decidedly Sith-type force power?

My alternate interpretation is that Yoda manipulated the atmosphere to create traditional lightning.

Would concur with that.
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Force Ghosts manipulating the physical world? Nonsense. Bad storywriting because the director wanted Yoda to do something besides glow and speak with bad sentence structure. No one's a bigger fanboy of Star Wars than I am... but this movie was bad.

Lemme axe you - do you rapidly freeze in space, or.. does your blood boil and then it takes years and years and years to freeze?
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Force Ghosts manipulating the physical world? Nonsense. Bad storywriting because the director wanted Yoda to do something besides glow and speak with bad sentence structure. No one's a bigger fanboy of Star Wars than I am... but this movie was bad.

Lemme axe you - do you rapidly freeze in space, or.. does your blood boil and then it takes years and years and years to freeze?

Well, I would have rather that scene ran its "natural" course (if such a word has meaning in the Star Wars universe). But, powerful the Force is. There really are no rules. The Yoda scene just reinforces, for me, that Yoda is a supreme master of the Force.

Having said that, we all generally have preconceived notions of what is "reasonable" and don't like to see those preconceptions violated. I feel that you think it is bad because it violates a lot of your preconceptions of what is and is not both acceptable and reasonable. You are not alone. I feel I do not share those preconceptions and therefore have no trouble enjoying the movie.
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This thread reminds me of the Dunkirk thread early in the year. We were all very excited about seeing that movie, but then we broke into two camps - some who loved it, some who didn't. Looks like Star Wars may be in the same boat - on Rotten Tomatoes, 93% of "professional" reviewers gave it high scores, but only 56% of regular folks. That's an interesting divergence.
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What I hate about Star Wars is the fact that The Millenium Falcon's onboard entertainment consisted of some lame HoI5 3d chess game. No wonder they used warp speed all the time. The horror, the horror!
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Please note, I don't care that Leia used force power to go back to the ship. My issue with that scene was that it was a fake-out death in the first place.

I don't care that Rey's parents were nobodies. Other than the skywalker clan – wherein Anakin was a “vergence” in the force – I never viewed Jedi or Sith as being hereditary.

My main issue is that the movie was extremely poorly written. The director had this idea that he wanted “these” special effects, and he wrote an inconsistent and bad story to get to those special effects… instead of writing a really good, consistent, story that led to the special effects. Here’s some of my complaints culled from my facebook postings:

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD – YOU’VE BEEN WARNEDW

Who’d have thought that Yoda had the ability to use the Sith Force-Lightning Power all these years? I know - a director that wanted a splashy lightning-bolt eye-candy on-screen instead of a boring telekinesis power to move books into a fire scene.

What really irks me about this movie is that something gets established (they’re trapped in this old base with no way out) but it gets thrown away 5 minutes later when it’s no longer convenient to the plot (oh wait there is a way out, we’ll just follow these fox creatures). It's similar to how Indiana Jones is completely irrelevant to Raiders of the Lost Ark, Luke’s arrival and death is completely irrelevant to the escape from a Hidden Rebel Base. Had Luke not been there, The First Order would have blown the doors open, the Crystal Foxes would have run through the hidden caves, the Rebels would still have followed the crystal foxes and escaped. Luke died for no reason at all.

Yeah I thought her death would be a great conclusion to her story, since Carrie passed away. But nope. It's a big fake out. Lame. Also, I'm a stickler for getting science things sort of right, such as - you don't freeze to death in space, what happens is that your blood boils. Also, it takes a really long time to actually "freeze" in space, because there's nothing that will take your body's heat away from you. I don't recall star wars changing those physics in their galaxy.

So Snoke gets chopped in half, and then his red garbed guards attack. Right there I’m thinking they’d be thinking “nope, not going to attack them, these two force users just chopped Snoke in half, I ain’t touchin’ them.” But whatevs… let’s, for the sake of argument, assume they do attack. Kylo Ren would force snap the neck of the first red guard that came after him. Then he’d snap the neck of the second red guard that came after him. Then the rest of the red guards would back away and drop their weapons and give up. But no… the director must have been thinking, “force neck snap isn’t big-awesome-eye-candy, and I want a ‘Kylo and Rey as Allies lightsaber fight’, and this is my plot design to get to the big awesome visual whoosh whoosh lightsaber fight”.

The “can’t hear you, is General Hux there” was funny the first time, but by the third I was “ok ok ok I get it”.

I thought the furry penguins were well done – they were cute, they were funny, and their screen time was extremely limited.

At least 1/3 of the movie was a completely irrelevant distraction on some side-quest that went nowhere and wasn’t necessary: “Lets get Finn together with this girl send them to find an ‘always entertaining’ Benecio Del Toro to show a high roller casino / chase scene and then have them sneak into the big bad ship to disable the super secret tracking device only to get caught just so we move into a faux-lightsaber battle to kill Capt Phasma and, um, not disable the tracking device, because… we aren’t going to perform a miracle escape that way anyways, but it does let us introduce a side-plot to this side-quest via a mutiny from the hot headed X-wing pilot that went nowhere and didn’t matter anyways.” Why not just use this side-quest ship that can’t be tracked to, idk, maybe pick up some fuel? Or maybe use this untrackable ship to, idk, evacuate the rebels to parts unknown? That’s just bad, inconsistent, storytelling.

You’re telling me the “First Order” didn’t have any other ships that were around, that could, I don’t know, hyperspace to “in front” of the rebels? Is it just the rebels that could detach a ship that isn’t trackable to fly across space, sidequest a casino, and hyperspace back in the time frame? You mean that every single First Order ship wasn’t en-route to kill the last remaining bits of the rebellion? At least in ANH, Empire, and Jedi – there was some semi-believable and logical military tactics and strategy.

The fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy can't outrun a star destroyer, but some old-school beater-cruiser can outrun a brand new batch of "First Order" ships?

Then - when it comes to the whole Snoke/Luke/Rey/Kylo plot - It felt like the director really wanted to make the 3rd act of the trilogy, and kind of forgot that this movie is the 2nd act. That’s all I’ll say about that, for now. Hope I didn’t rain on anyone’s parade too much. Rant Off, for now.
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