We need full real DB editor! Now!

[Filitch]

to thewood1
Suggestion to code new game self seems to me cockamamie, if not with tone of ridicule. Looks like you never creates any program. Even simplest "Hello world" at Basic. About "similar cadre of Russian complainers". I will give you a holler in another new thread with American complainers "why Russian/Chinese/Korean radar detects my godlike stealth F-22/35/B-2". Or can be enough to preach domestic Nazism?

Speak to the point
Database editor is one of the key feature of the Pro version. This is a reason why we never see such editor. Another arguments - complexity of the game mechanic, support difficulties etc. is only for show.
Refusal to support databases edited by users solves most of all problems. But see the article 1. So this and same threads are fall flat. In such circumstances, I think, makes sense to improve procedure of update database by users requests which at moment represented as Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues . Make request workflow more transparency. This measure de-stresses users.

[ultradave]

Personally I think it's absolutely amazing:
1. The number of new platforms that the developers have added since the initial release, mostly based on user requests who provided links to credible unclassified data to support.
2. The number of new features and UI controls that have been added by the developers

Other than the few things that specifically require a DLC to activate, this has all been provided for free over the course of several years. The support they have provided (with help from many knowledgable people here on the forums) has been stellar. We've gotten much more than we could have expected for our initial purchase.

What's being asked for is something that:
1. Was specifically stated would not be available
2. IS available in the profession version.

The argument boils down to "They won't give me something they said they wasn't part of the game, but I want/demand it anyway, because I paid them some $$ for a game that didn't include what I want/demand at the start, so I'm entitled because I paid $$, and I disagree with their reasons they won't give it to me."

Unfortunately, it's not a democracy, is it? They provided the game. You bought the game. You seem to think that they are somehow obligated or required to do what you want. They aren't. It's pretty simple.

[thewood1]

OK, here's an argument...a few in fact.

What other niche game with a small dev team doesn't unlock its db while still in development? Combat Mission, Steel Beasts, DCS, IL2 BOS, TOAW (in its initial releases), Great Naval Battles, Jane's Fleet Command to name a few.

What business reasons would the devs have in unlocking it? It is a major differentiation for the pro version. How many extra sales would the devs make.

Obviously, idiots bought it anyway hoping it would change. So how many more people are going to buy Command to support the extra support, development, and service costs opening the db would entail?

Frankly, I have never seen a group of more selfish, childish, rude, and just plain clueless people than some of the people saying that the devs should just open the db. It appears to me, the main instigators of this issue are the same people that flood the news thread and db thread with ridiculous Russian and Chinese military porn that has no real documentation backing most of it up. And then get pissed when it doesn't show up in the next release. Those threads are great examples of why the dn shouldn't be opened up. Why give the clueless a tool to screw up the community completely.

I have played this game for four years and have never once had an occasion to even come close to wishing I could change a single thing in the db. Again, if the few things you need changed bring on this response to people that agree with the devs, you are just plain playing the wrong game. I just went back to the store site for Command and nowhere does it say anything about being able to change the database. If you can't play the game for what it is and come in here and threaten violence against someone that doesn't agree, or you support that violence, you are just a terrible person overall and I can't understand why the devs don't just put a ban on you.

[DWReese]

By my count Spec111 has made 20 posts on topic since the thread was opened.

That's quite a lot. But, thewood1 has him beat. The thewood1 has made 23 posts, including the last two.

So, who is it again that is continuing to perpetuate this dying thread?

[thewood1]

I am just responding...thanks for contributing. I tend to get a little worked up when someone threatens to attack me physically for a forum post.

[Zaslon]

Come on pal, Stop trolling.
Advice: Buy friends[:'(]

[thewood1]

So no answer to the argument except the smiley face?

[TheOriginalOverlord]

Just saying....

[X(]

[stilesw]

I guess I'm going to have to quit playing CMANO! I mean, I really want to modify the DB so that I can add Photon Torpedoes to my Sopwith Camel - which by the way, also needs to be added!

So, since this feature was obviously (somehow) implied with my original purchase I'll just have to pitch a fit, take my marbles and go home. The "professional Klingon version" has it so someone is keeping it from me.

[thewood1]

Put it in the db thread. You should be able to find a blurry enough picture to prove its use.

[Filitch]

LOL. This is military porn: http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2017/12 ... in-flight/ but not thewood1's utter rubbish about Russian or Chinese news.

[User2]

This thread is a litmus test of the cmano community.
Shows great the toxicity level of the local audience.

The funniest thing is: those toxic people are literally Hermans with the only difference that real Herman fanatically attacks those who finds something positive about the game, while locally grown Hermans fanatically attack people who finds something negative or asks inappropriate questions.

[thewood1]

I would be very careful with comments like "toxicity". Do you really want to be associated with the OP. Let's not forget his toxicity with a thread title, his first few posts, his threat of violence, etc. Is that the guy you want carrying your banner for getting the devs to do something they have said from the get-go they wouldn't do?

Are the open-db guys really that immature that they think this guy and this thread will be the launching point for some sea-change in the devs product startegy? By associating and defending the OP, you are making it REALLY hard for anyone to jump on your bandwagon.

[thewood1]

Thanks to Somi83 in this thread:

tm.asp?m=4392272

I was in the process of putting all of this together so anyone really desperate to change a unit. Here is a PDF that will show how you build almost any ship you can think of. Combined with the manual, its not too difficult to figure out. In fact, having used the Harpoon db editor a lot, this is no harder than getting that monster to work.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

Thanks to Somi83 in this thread:

tm.asp?m=4392272

I was in the process of putting all of this together so anyone really desperate to change a unit. Here is a PDF that will show how you build almost any ship you can think of. Combined with the manual, its not too difficult to figure out. In fact, having used the Harpoon db editor a lot, this is no harder than getting that monster to work.

Thanks guys for pushing this in a better direction.

Mike

[spec111]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Okay good. Lets see if I got this straight:

What would help you is this:
* Ability to add new units
* Ability to update (visible) stats on existing units
* Transfer changes between scenarios
* Make changes centrally
* Change and make new loadouts

Then you would:
* Write and maintain documentation for minimum 10 years
* Handle user support
* Maintain 3rd party contributions
* Update 3rd party datasets as database updates (i.e. changes made in DB makes 3rd party contribution unnecessary, etc)

Hello, Ragnar!

Do not complicate everything. I, like many experienced players, do not need any support or documentation. We'll figure it out for ourselves. And we do not need centralization.

Just give us the editor and leave it without support. As it is done in all simulators and strategies.

The editor and the databases will perfectly evolve without support. Stop trying to control everything. This is not DB2000, but an independent game. And most of the players will cope without you. And many experienced players dont want to participate in the development of DB3000, and do not want to depend on you, but want to live on their own.

We dont need version compatibility. We dont need help. We dont need support. We dont need anything.

As for my English skills... Tone etc is very difficult to get right and usually takes years of practice. I'm still learning and screw up on a regular basis. Translating directly makes makes it sound staccato and downright Nazi. The fact that I got an 'engineer' rather than 'language' brain doesn't help hehe.

From where I stand you sound really angry and upset, ready to shoot the place up. But is that really the case?

Huh... This is a huge disappointment! You created a serious wargame and simulator, but you forgot about the main feature of these games - the editor of units and databases.

There is an editor in TOAW, there is an editor in Harpoon, there is an editor in DCS, there is an editor in FSX. This is the industry standard. But you forgot about it. [:-]

And the whole projects of centralized database editing always ends very badly - they are slow, low-quality, they have errors and so on. And most importantly, they do not have customization and individualization!

Again. You just do not understand serious part of your experienced customers. We dont need centralized databases and we will not take part in these projects. Centralized bases are secondary. Customization is primary. [;)]

[Kushan04]

Can this guy just get banned now? at this point hes not contributing anything and just repeating how clueless he thinks the devs are.

[spec111]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

I would be very careful with comments like "toxicity". Do you really want to be associated with the OP. Let's not forget his toxicity with a thread title, his first few posts, his threat of violence, etc. Is that the guy you want carrying your banner for getting the devs to do something they have said from the get-go they wouldn't do?

Are the open-db guys really that immature that they think this guy and this thread will be the launching point for some sea-change in the devs product startegy? By associating and defending the OP, you are making it REALLY hard for anyone to jump on your bandwagon.

Just be quiet. This your post consists only of ad hominems. Whole. Every phrase.

You dont discuss my position and my arguments. You dont give your counter-arguments. You just discuss me, or rather you try to insult me, hiding behind the Internet.

I created this topic, gave facts, stated my position and arguments. But you decided to use ad hominems and you tried to insult me ​​(not forgetting to remove some of your insults after that). I told you that I will not buy this virtual crap neither online or offline. But you again began to use ad hominems, try to insult me and discuss me, i.e imaginary image of me, instead of my position with its arguments and facts. Ok, but there will not be a third time...

Now there are other people who started to express some position that you dont like, and against which you dont have counter-arguments, but now you began to insult them and discuss them instead of their position.

So what did you say about toxicity? [:-]

p.s.

This is your pattern of communication with people. But I'm not going to buy it. And I dont need it in my topic. So go be virtually aggressive somewhere else and try to create your own topic. [:D]

[spec111]

ORIGINAL: Kushan04

Can this guy just get banned now? at this point hes not contributing anything and just repeating how clueless he thinks the devs are.

Counter-arguments, please? Arguments, not ad hominems. [;)]

[.Sirius]

You have had the reasons why on multiple occasions , and no you are not having a DB Editor, so dont resort to bully tactics to get one it doesnt work !