Vichy or No Vichy

[Sugar]

Every DoW might have a (random) impact on war readiness or leaning, but there are even "spheres of influence": SU doesn't like any DoW on Yugoslavia (panslavism), US on Ireland, Finnland on Sweden, the Turks on Syria and Irak.

Vichy itself has got no special friends, but will severe all relationships with the Axis after DoWs against Tunesia and Algeria. There`s also a DE related to allied landings in France, followed by "Unternehmen Anton".

As Axis I try to avoid any unnecessary DoW until SU and US joined, p.e. against Belgium (they will join the Allies after the DoW on the Netherlands next turn); allthough it causes some tactical disadvantage.

[Taxman66]

Given the current situation with Vichy and observing it currently first hand...
I'm beginning to think that there is no good reason for the UK not to use the DE to go after Vichy Fleet; ever. Sure it brings Vichy and the territories closer to the Axis. Are Germany and Italy really going to use Diplo chits on them? Particularly given the number that would be required?

[KorutZelva]

They should make it that having Vichy diplo joins gifts you its colonies to give mers el kebir a drawback that is a slightly more risky.

[waclaw]

Events from Campaigns\_1939 Storm over Europe\Scripts\Events\mobilization_1.txt

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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 8-15% increase in US mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 3-5% increase in Spanish mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 10-15% increase in Swiss mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 25-45% increase in Vichy Algeria mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 25-45% increase in Tunisia mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
 ; random 25-45% increase in Syria mobilization towards Allies:
 

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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 8-15% increase in US mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 10-15% increase in Persian mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 35-45% increase in Turkish mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Algeria mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Tunisia mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Syria resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Vichy France mobilization towards Allies:
 

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; Axis Declare War on Tunisia resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Algeria mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Tunisia resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Vichy France mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Tunisia resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Syrian mobilization towards Allies:
 

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; Axis Declare War on Algeria resulting in an
 ; 10-15% increase in Vichy France's mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Algeria resulting in an
 ; 10-15% increase in Tunisia's mobilization towards Allies:
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 ; Axis Declare War on Algeria resulting in a
 ; random 20-35% increase in Syria mobilization towards Allies:
 

[Harrybanana]

ORIGINAL: Sugar

Every DoW might have a (random) impact on war readiness or leaning, but there are even "spheres of influence": SU doesn't like any DoW on Yugoslavia (panslavism), US on Ireland, Finnland on Sweden, the Turks on Syria and Irak.

Vichy itself has got no special friends, but will severe all relationships with the Axis after DoWs against Tunesia and Algeria. There`s also a DE related to allied landings in France, followed by "Unternehmen Anton".

As Axis I try to avoid any unnecessary DoW until SU and US joined, p.e. against Belgium (they will join the Allies after the DoW on the Netherlands next turn); allthough it causes some tactical disadvantage.

If The UK supports the coup in Yugoslavia such that it joins the Allies, I assume this does not cause any increase in Russian or US mobilization. Is that right?

[KorutZelva]

it doesn't but the greeks gets pushed to around 80% (new defensive pact with UK something, something)

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Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
; random 3-5% increase in Spanish mobilization towards Allies:
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; Axis Declare War on Vichy France resulting in a
; random 10-15% increase in Swiss mobilization towards Allies:
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These two don't have a 100% chance of happening. Like 20% or something.

[johanssb]

If you take Algiers and Paris on the same turn then you get all of France. No need to create Vichy or declare war on Vichy later. Also, you will most likely get Spain to join Axis as well.

[sPzAbt653]

Do you have to get Paris and Algiers on the same turn ? I don't think so because in my current game I took Algiers well before Paris. When I did get Paris later the capital moved to Bordeaux for two turns before France surrendered, and there was no Vichy. So it looks like you can get Algiers before Paris.

[Sugar]

As long as the frenchmen have got an alternate capital and their NM is bigger 0, occupying Paris and Algier in the same turn doesn`t lead necessarily to french surrender afaik.

The opportunity to invite Franco depends on a free Casablanca; if UK (or any Ally) places a unit overthere, the DE won`t trigger (and at least requires a 30% leaning of Spain).

The safest way to secure Spain is therefore to create Vichy and influence Spain asap. You`ll have to invest in every case into diplo, since Spains leaning won`t be much higher than 30% after the fall of France, and every hit of the Brits leads therefore to the DE not happening. It will also take some time to get from Algier to Casablanca, and a fast victory there is not guaranteed.

[johanssb]

It works best if its on the same turn. Of course there is a chance that the capital will move to Bordeaux, but generally the French NM is too low for that.

How many Allied players garrison Casablanca ? If they haven't then you've got all of France and Spain joins the Axis without spending anything on diplo. You can also then transport units into Syria behind the Brits, on the next turn.

It's a sneak attack, not exactly a safe bet, but very satisfying when it works.