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RE: December 1944

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I predicted that this offensive would essentially leave the Home Islands alone until at least January 1945. This prediction has been proven to be correct.
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RE: December 1944

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If there was to be any fight like detailed above, I would prefer to fly off ALL KB's planes and send the empty carriers up to the Kuriles where they could simply sit and NOT become victory points.

One way to go, but you lose the inherent coordination launching from the carrier affords. Pretty critical when hitting a 1500+ plane CAP.
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RE: December 1944

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The Allies simply use the multiple high level airfields to launch corrdinatied air raids that gain strategic points on the home islands at this point. Maybe take the rest of China. I don’t understand the 50% devices discussion and the effects on difficulty? I do think at some critical point supply will run out on the mainland.,and there is for example 8,000 plus CV in Manchuria to harvest along with the cities once that point is reached. If the Allies eliminate enough garrison to trigger the Russians things will become malignant.

Anyway that was my experience a lot of resistance and then the IJ could not keep supplies flowing given the pace of combat.

So given this environment a CV exchange might be the only way to increase the denominator in this equation....
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RE: December 1944

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The Allies simply use the multiple high level airfields to launch corrdinatied air raids that gain strategic points on the home islands at this point. Maybe take the rest of China. I don’t understand the 50% devices discussion and the effects on difficulty? I do think at some critical point supply will run out on the mainland.,and there is for example 8,000 plus CV in Manchuria to harvest along with the cities once that point is reached. If the Allies eliminate enough garrison to trigger the Russians things will become malignant.

Anyway that was my experience a lot of resistance and then the IJ could not keep supplies flowing given the pace of combat.

So given this environment a CV exchange might be the only way to increase the denominator in this equation....

Japanese devices killed are worth only 50% of the VPs of an American, British, Aussie, etc. device. All but Chinese and Filipino. Those two are worth half what a Japanese device is worth.

Tactical planes don't coordinate from land bases in anything like the way they do from carriers. Operating IJN DBs from land risks shooting 300 unescorted bombers right into the CAP. Moving the IJN carrier wings to land is not an optimal solution.

CR has no need to invade Manchuria or wait for Soviet activation. He can win with strat bombing from China and Formosa proper. Compared to the troop device losses a major land campaign would cost him, strat bombing is almost free in VP terms. The issue I've been discussing is he is also using massed naval air to strat bomb, and to support 4E strat bombing. Japan has an option to remove or severely degrade that if they go after his naval air. John does not seem disposed to do this, so there you go.
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RE: December 1944

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To parrot Michael, what are your Command HQ's Prepped for?

Did you move General Defense out of Tokyo?

It is impressive, to me at least, that there isn't a single yellow or red exclamation point in all of China.

Shanghai falling in less than a week is a bitter pill to swallow. I would contemplate railing in troops and trying to hold longer, even if you have to suffer partisan attacks elsewhere.
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RE: December 1944

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One other element to think about is that this Mod has high garrison costs for either side.

Are the costs for each major base so high that one Chinese corps isn't enough?
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RE: December 1944

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What do you have to defend Shanghai? Forts? AV?
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RE: December 1944

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AV is 2,300 Forts-6 Some supply but not much (3,000+).

Biggest problem is about 200+ bombers hitting it each turn and now he is running 2-3 Bombardment TFs each day into it. YES: There is CD and mines present but they have not done much. It is the Bombardment TFs that will turn the tide quickly...
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RE: December 1944

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To parrot Michael, what are your Command HQ's Prepped for?

Did you move General Defense out of Tokyo?

It is impressive, to me at least, that there isn't a single yellow or red exclamation point in all of China.

Shanghai falling in less than a week is a bitter pill to swallow. I would contemplate railing in troops and trying to hold longer, even if you have to suffer partisan attacks elsewhere.

You're right. Losing Shanghai is gonna suck. No other way to put it. And it'll get worse. The central plains areas will be subject to Allied carpet bombing in clear terrain. The fighting in SE China was in favorable terrain and John still got manhandled. Those Japanese troops at Kaifang, Haichow, Nanyang and Suchow are gonna get smoked.
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RE: December 1944

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AV is 2,300 Forts-6 Some supply but not much (3,000+).

Biggest problem is about 200+ bombers hitting it each turn and now he is running 2-3 Bombardment TFs each day into it. YES: There is CD and mines present but they have not done much. It is the Bombardment TFs that will turn the tide quickly...
It may be worth flying supply in from the mainland and flying out administrative units that will be destroyed in situ.
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RE: December 1944

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

AV is 2,300 Forts-6 Some supply but not much (3,000+).

Biggest problem is about 200+ bombers hitting it each turn and now he is running 2-3 Bombardment TFs each day into it. YES: There is CD and mines present but they have not done much. It is the Bombardment TFs that will turn the tide quickly...

There are ways to soak off the bombardments, and still maintain a force. It involves daily breaking down & building up units, cycling largest unit daily, using reserve no pursuit mode, having lots of engineering unit, armor, artillery, and aa, cd guns, base forces, and even some sacrificial planes.

There is still a rail junction in Shanghai to get troops, and a quick two day move to an evacuation rail hex.


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RE: December 1944

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

To parrot Michael, what are your Command HQ's Prepped for?

Did you move General Defense out of Tokyo?

It is impressive, to me at least, that there isn't a single yellow or red exclamation point in all of China.

Shanghai falling in less than a week is a bitter pill to swallow. I would contemplate railing in troops and trying to hold longer, even if you have to suffer partisan attacks elsewhere.

Addressing a different question, I am in the process of moving out essential support units that cannot be lost when the city falls.

You're right. Losing Shanghai is gonna suck. No other way to put it. And it'll get worse. The central plains areas will be subject to Allied carpet bombing in clear terrain. The fighting in SE China was in favorable terrain and John still got manhandled. Those Japanese troops at Kaifang, Haichow, Nanyang and Suchow are gonna get smoked.

This is why I've kept units behind the lines. Movement takes forever in this Mod so all those troops in oddball areas have multiple hexes to travel--WHEN the fighting is over--to reach a Port hex or RR hex. I simply fight to delay and for time with the Home Isles.
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RE: December 1944

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I am moving out the essential, support units in Shanghai so they can be used elsewhere.
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RE: December 1944

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December 27, 1944

Just did a VP Tally from December 17-December 27, 1944. Here are the changes:

Japan 68,969 to 69,732 Net GAIN--763
Allies 102,674 to 105,151 Net GAIN--2,477

Interesting...
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RE: December 1944

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December 27, 1944

The two Kido Butai TFs make their presence known by staging a massed ambush/attack at Chumphon, Malaya. The 13 CVs stage nearly 180 Sams over the Base while a single, massed strike hits the Allied troops laying siege to the base. The evening before and the morning of saw BB Musashi and CB Ikoma bombard the troops from the east.

The Allied air units hitting this base over the last few days get one heck of a big surprise!

Attacks:
145 Sam vs 12 Spitfire
179 Sam vs 12 P-38
158 Sam vs 12 Spitfire
109 S vs 19 B-24 and 40 2EB
113 S vs 15 B-24 and 6 2EB

RAID: 112 Sam Escort 188 DB and 157 TB in a massed strike on the troops. WOW! Very nice. Lose 9 planes to AA.

99 S vs 6 B-24
89 S vs 11 B-25
63 S vs 8 B-25
58 S vs 10 B-25
44 S vs 7 B-24
36 S vs 8 B-25
31 S vs 12 A-20
30 S vs 12 B-25
21 S vs 12 B-25
14 S vs 12 P-47

The Japanese lose 23 Sam ATA and 18 to OPs. While 41 is not pleasant, we only lose--catch this--9 pilots! Nice.

Allied losses tally nearly 100 aircraft. LOTS of B-25, -24 and 16 of 24 Spits.


The demonstration firmly fixes the Kido Butai in this location. Now the TFs shall race back and move into the Eastern DEI prior to the final return to the Home Islands.

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RE: December 1944

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December 27, 1944

Just did a VP Tally from December 17-December 27, 1944. Here are the changes:

Japan 68,969 to 69,732 Net GAIN--763
Allies 102,674 to 105,151 Net GAIN--2,477

Interesting...

What percentage of those Allied VP net gain are from LCU devices liquidated in SE Asia versus Allied firebombing?

I predict that CR will be unable to gain autovictory over you in 1944. [:D]
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RE: December 1944

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With FOUR days left...I rather doubt it...
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RE: December 1944

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Lurking until now. Fascinating AAR and game. Personally, I'd love to see this continue until well into 45 to see many of the late model aircraft get into play en masse and an invasion of Japan. If not Honshu, Kyushu.

Thinking about doing a PBEM after a long absence from playing, the newest RA is my choice this time around.
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RE: December 1944

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Hi Sir.

Michael and I have gotten Between the Storms and Between the Storms Lite completed and updated. I've nearly got Treaty Mod done. RA has not been touched as of yet. REALLY recommend BTS or BTSL.
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RE: December 1944

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Just an FYI: I am flying to Lost Wages to hang with my Best Friend of 36 years. We gonna play cards, drink some adult beverages, talk, and play some cards...

Leave on Friday and back Monday morning.
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