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witpqs is no longer in trouble with PETA ... as long as he donates 25% of his profits to them!



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Opposing arguments....

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Opposing arguments....

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Are you adopting that as your avatar?!![X(]
Might be a little too much "in your face"! [:D]
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So what is it, a 25% VP tax?
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witpqs is no longer in trouble with PETA ... as long as he donates 25% of his profits to them!



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So the basic story is this, highly summarized but I hope capturing the key elements that I've gleaned from a number of news items including articles in a law blog written by law professors (The Volokh Conspiracy). The photographer put his camera down for some reason. A monkey - 'a' monkey - picked it up and snapped a few photos, pretty clearly without understanding what was happening as it handled the camera. At some point the photographer, who lives in the UK, placed said photos in the public domain. It happens that absent a written agreement/contract/whatever one does not own photographs not taken by oneself, even if taken with one's equipment. It also happens that animals do not have property rights, including copyright. At various times the photographer was sued by PETA and perhaps others alleging the photos were copyright of/property of the monkey.

PETA in particular claims the photos were taken by a female monkey they call Naruto and they legally represent said monkey. AFAIK in other matters they have claimed to legally represent many animals and nonhuman entities. The photographer claims that the photograph was taken by a male, certainly not the monkey PETA claims. Various US courts including at least one Federal appeals court ruled animals do not have property rights and the photograph is not owned by anyone, end of story. Along the way the photographer, who recall had already placed the photographs into the public domain (giving up rights he didn't have but certainly disavowing them I guess) went bankrupt from the lawsuits. How he deserved that is beyond my understanding.

PETA kept finding ways to go back to court in the US but was not getting anywhere as the prior rulings showed no signs of weakness at all. Apparently they were thought to have spent at least $70K or $80K on the latest suit and could have been liable for the defendant's attorney's fees if they kept pursuing the suit. Hence the "settlement" was reached. Reportedly the photographer promised 25% of any future profits from the photos to some charity or charities. PETA publicly claims "victory".
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Animals don't use money or legal tenders. How do you pay them royalties?
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Animals don't use money or legal tenders. How do you pay them royalties?
In bananas.
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[:D][:D]
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Eat royally?
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And I will not and have never made any donation to PETA ( PETA = PITA )
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Why isn't there a PETG? You know, People for the Ethical Treatment of Gorns.

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Why isn't there a PETG? You know, People for the Ethical Treatment of Gorns.
Gorns are good for making Soylent Green. 'Cause they're already green. [:'(]
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Why isn't there a PETG? You know, People for the Ethical Treatment of Gorns.
Gorns are good for making Soylent Green. 'Cause they're already green. [:'(]
I'm in a generous mood, so you can have my share of the Soylent Green witpqs!
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Poor fellow: he just go caught in the works.
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I'm a bit surprised. I thought the picture was photo-shopped!
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How on earth did PETA gain legal representation of an animal? Tort reform is WAY overdue in this country [:(]
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How on earth did PETA gain legal representation of an animal? Tort reform is WAY overdue in this country [:(]



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PETA should be worried about real crime...

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Gosh![:'(]
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