Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[ClaudeJ]

[*]#2917 - AREOS Recon Pod [IR][/color]

General Data:
- Diameter : 0.80 m

SENSOR/EW:
In its front section, this pod house a medium/long range bispectral sensor "DB-STARS" (1) (DUAL BAND STAND-OFF AIRBORNE RECONNAISSANCE SENSOR) and, in its rear section, an high speed low altitude linear infrared scanner "IRLS" (2) (Infra Red Line Scanner).

I thus suggest to add a second #5194 - AREOS sensor plus one #910 - Generic Visual Reconnaissance Camera.

While it's actual max range is not public, "several tens of kilometers" is advertised, up to 50 km from Air Fan magazine issue 367, so I'm a bit unsure on using a 5nm max range sensor, however other pods are also using similar sensors.


Out of curiosity, AREOS mean "Airborne REcce Observation System". French Air force does have 12 of such pod while the navy have 6 of it, all delivered by April 2012.

Sources:
1) https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/defau ... f_009a.pdf
2) https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/defau ... _noref.pdf
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... le=release
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/defau ... ere-hd.pdf
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/actualites/a ... od-reco-ng
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... le=release

Pictures :
https://twitter.com/thalesgroup/status/ ... 4575187969
http://info-aviation.com/wp-content/upl ... eco-ng.jpg
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/base/util/122576_1.jpg

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[*]#3903 - ABRG 2 [Jammer] -- MAIGRET[/color]
minor typo: -> ARBG 2 [Jammer] -- MAIGRET

Early version of that interceptor/jammer was named ARBG 1 SAIGON, no clue on performances nor abilities though.

[Bashkire]

Request to add the Pacific 24 RHIB (United Kingdom) to the database.

A small and fast RHIB that the RN employs in a range of roles (boarding, amphibious assault support, search and rescue, humanitarian, personnel transfer, etc).
It can reach speeds of 38 knots, and can carry 6 passengers and 2 crew, and a GPMG can be mounted on the bow for fire support.
The Type 23s and 45s can carry 2 each, while the upcoming QE carriers can carry 3.


EDIT: I'm not able to post links, but I have 2 pictures showing it being used and 3 links to information about the boats if a MOD wishes to contact me.

[Owllord]

Thanks Mike, I must have been blind.

Another request, I guess for both databases: Can we have some generic civilian airship (for both databases, I guess) or perhaps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Ai ... rlander_10?

Right now there is an Aerostat in the database, but that obviously cannot move.

[Doctorwarthog]

As cargo in transport missions it would be nice with some trucks and other non-combat vehicles from the US Army, for example

Caterpillar D7/D9
M939 Truck
M35 Truck
MTVR

Edit: And their russian and chinese equivalents, ofcourse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-4320
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-5323

http://www.military-today.com/trucks/faw_mv3.htm
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/shaanxi_sx2110.htm
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/shaanxi_sx2190.htm
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/shaanxi_sx2300.htm

But I guess it would be easier for everyone involved to use generic trucks (and after all, it's a military strategy game, not a logistics simulator).

[ClaudeJ]

[*]#57 - A 607 Meuse [Durance Class] -- France (Navy), 1981[/color]

Preliminary notes

This class have a sub-variant with a distinct role.

*PR type
Pétrolier Ravitailleur, regular AOR.

A 629 Durance, 12/1976 - 12/1997
A 607 Meuse, 11/1980 - 06/2015

*BCR type
Bâtiment de Commandement et de Ravitaillement, Command and Replenishment Ship.

PR that are designed to carry a Maritime Zone staff (typically ALINDIEN, Indian Ocean Maritime Zone CinC) and a commando unit of up to 45 men. Capable of accommodating 250 men (crew included). Communications Jammer can be equipped "on demand".

A 608 Var, 01/1983
A 630 Marne, 01/1987
A 631 Somme, 03/1990


Name: A 629 Durance -- France (Navy), 1976-1997
while its pennant number may suggest otherwise, the Durance was first in line, maybe that platform could be renamed "A 629 Durance".

General Data:
-Height: 31 m
-Cargo capacity: 32

Sensors/EW:
- change both "#1969 - DRBN 34 [Decca 1229]" to "#1959 - DRBN 32 [Decca 1226]"

Mounts:
4x 12.7 (2 each side, at 10h/8h and 2h/4h)
2x 40mmm/60 Bofors, one forward and the other rear facing

Edit : seems like this class is the only user of #1304 - 20mm/70 Single Burst [20 rnds], so maybe swap it with #1636 - 20mm/70 Oerlikon Mk7 Burst [20 rnds], thus freeing #1304 if need be

Magazines:
-Munitions: 172 tons (what is the Capacity unit of measure?)

Docking Facilities:
add:
- 3x Very Small Dock/Davit (0-11m Long)
- 2x Small Dock/Davit (LCVP, 11.1-17m Long)

Properties:
- change "Refuel to Astern x 1 (Out)" to "Refuel to Astern x 2 (Out)"
- change all "Replenish to XXX x 2 (Out/In)" to "Replenish to XXX x 1 (Out/In)"

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 1500 (+750 for its own usage)
-Aviation fuel: 500
-Oil fuel: 7500
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[*]#???? - A 607 Meuse [Durance PR Class] -- France (Navy), 1980-2001[/color]
same as A 629 Durance but :

Mounts:
4x 12.7 (2 each side, at 10h/8h and 2h/4h)
2x 20mmm/70, forward facing
1x 40mmm/60 Bofors, rear facing

Magazines:
-Munitions: 150 tons

Docking Facilities:
- 1x Small Dock/Davit (LCVP, 11.1-17m Long)
- 3x Very Small Dock/Davit (0-11m Long)

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 5200 (+750 for its own usage)
-Aviation fuel: 3000
-Oil fuel: 1300
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[*]#???? - A 607 Meuse [Durance PR Class] -- France (Navy), 2001-2015[/color]

Sensors/EW:
- 2x "#1959 - DRBN 32 [Decca 1226]" (best guess, couldn't find accurate date)

Mounts:
6x 12.7 (2 each side, at 10h/8h and 2h/4h, 2 forward facing at 11h and 1h)
1x Simbad (Mistral) Twin, forward facing
1x 40mmm/60 Bofors, rear facing
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[*]#???? - A 608 Var [Durance BCR Class] -- France (Navy), 1983[/color]

A 608 Var, 01/1983
A 630 Marne, 01/1987
A 631 Somme, 03/1990

same as edited A 607 Meuse but :

General Data:
-Empty displacement: 7800 tons
-Standard/Full displacement: 900 tons
-Crew: 142
-Troop capacity: 45
-Cargo capacity: 63

Mounts:
4x 12.7 (2 each side, at 10h/8h and 2h/4h)
2x 20mmm/70, rear facing
1x 40mmm/60 Bofors, forward facing

Magazines:
-Munitions: 180 tons

Comms:
- Syracuse I (Var was built "Syracuse ready", the system only became operational in November 1985 though.)

Docking Facilities:
- 1x Small Dock/Davit (LCVP, 11.1-17m Long)
- 4x Very Small Dock/Davit (0-11m Long)

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 4800 (+750 for its own usage)
-Aviation fuel: 1800
-Oil fuel: 2500
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[*]#???? - A 608 Var [Durance BCR Class] -- France (Navy), 1996[/color]

Mounts:
4x 12.7 (2 each side, at 10h/8h and 2h/4h)
2x Simbad (Mistral) Twin, forward facing and, guessing, rear facing
2x 20mmm/70, rear facing
1x 40mmm/60 Bofors, forward facing

Comms:
- Syracuse II (installed in 1992)
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[*]#???? - A 631 Somme [Durance BCR Class] -- France (Navy), 2000[/color]
(upgraded earlier than her sisterships)
same as A 608 Var 1996 but

Sensors:
2x #2188 - DRBN 38

Mounts:
2x 12.7 (1 each side, at 8h and 4h)
3x Simbad (Mistral) Twin, 1 forward facing and, guessing, 2 rear facing
2x 20mmm/70, rear facing
1x 40mmm/60 Bofors, forward facing

Magazines:
-Munitions: 170 tons

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 7600
-Aviation fuel: 1800
-Oil fuel: 0
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[*]#???? - B-1 Patagonia [Durance PR Class] -- Argentina (Navy), 1999[/color]
- Argentina bought the A629 Durance in July 1999, and commissioned her as the "B-1 Patagonia".

Can be cloned from A 629 Durance -- France (Navy), 1976-1997 but :

General Data:
-Crew: 164
-Cargo capacity: 27

Provision for RBS 70 to be fitted (instead of French Simbad)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... agonia.jpg

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[*]#306 - 902 Boraida [Durance Class] -- Saudi Arabia (Navy), 1985[/color]

Name: 902 Boraida [Mod. Durance PR Class] -- Saudi Arabia (Navy), 1984
Is a "compact" variant of the Durance PR class.
902 Boraida, 02/1984
904 Yunbou, 08/1985

General Data:
-Length: 135 m
-Beam: 18.7 m
-Draft: 7 m
-Height:
-Standard/Full displacement: 11 380 tons
-Crew: 140
-Troop capacity: 45
-Cargo capacity: 63

Magazines:
-Munitions: 100 tons

Air Facilities:
- 1x Pad Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)
- 1x Hangar Small Aircraft (0-12m Long)


Properties:
- Refuel to Port x 1 (Out)
- Refuel to Starboard x 1 (Out)
- Refuel to Astern x 1 (Out)
- Refuel from Astern x 1 (In)
- Refuel from Port x 1 (In)
- Refuel from Starboard x 1 (In)
- Replenish to Port x 1 (Out)
- Replenish to Starboard x 1 (Out)
- Replenish from Port x 1 (In)
- Replenish from Starboard x 1 (In)

Propulsion:
-Max speed: 20.5 knots

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 4350 (+750 for its own usage)
-Aviation fuel: 350
-Oil fuel: 0
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[*]#1688 - OR 304 Success (II) [Durance Class] -- Australia (Navy), 1986-1998[/color]
[*]#1372 - OR 304 Success (II) [Durance Class] -- Australia (Navy), 1998 CIWS[/color]

Notes:
- modified into a double hull vessel by 2011

General Data:
-Height: 31 m
-Standard/Full displacement: 18220 tons
-Crew: 220

Sensors:
2x #1453 - Type 1006(2) [KH 19/9A] -- Surface Ships

Magazines:
-Munitions: 250 tons

Docking Facilities:
- 1x Very Small Dock/Davit (0-11m Long)

Properties:
- Refuel to Port x 2 (Out)
- Refuel to Starboard x 2 (Out)
- Refuel to Astern x 2 (Out)
- Refuel from Astern x 2 (In)
- Refuel from Port x 2 (In)
- Refuel from Starboard x 2 (In)
- Replenish to Port x 1 (Out)
- Replenish to Starboard x 1 (Out)
- Replenish from Port x 1 (In)
- Replenish from Starboard x 1 (In)

Fuel:
-Diesel fuel: 8707 (+750 for its own usage)
-Aviation fuel: 975
-Oil fuel: 0
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Sources:
- "Pétroliers ravitailleurs" (2002), Jean Moulin & Patrick Maurand, ISBN: 2-909675-79-3.
- "Jane's Fighting Ships", 1989-90/2005.
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/patri ... euse-a-607
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/equip ... /var-a-608
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/equip ... arne-a-630
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/equip ... omme-a-631
- http://www.netmarine.net/bat/pr/durance/index.htm
- http://pr-durance.pagesperso-orange.fr/
- http://saga630.pagesperso-orange.fr/pagemenu.htm
- http://www.ara.mil.ar/pag.asp?idItem=298
- http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-success-ii
- http://navybmr.com/study%20material/ATP%2016(D).pdf

[User2]

DB update suggestions:
1.#2257 - Radar (59N6 Protivnik-GE)

Current (446) DB states following numbers:
Min. Range = 0.2 nm
Search and track Frequency = C Band (500-1000 MHz) [Old L Band (UHF)] 60-30cm

Suggestion:
Min. Range = 10km as stated by developer [source1], seller [source2] and Ausairpower think tank [source3].

Search and track Frequency = D Band (1-2 GHz) [Old L Band] 15-30 cm as stated by ru data list of developer [source4].
The problem about the frequency is: there are different numbers stated by official military organizations.
Seller (Rosoboronexport) states [source2] that the waveband is decimetric.
Developer's english data list states [source1] that the waveband is SHF(centimeter).
Developer's russian data list [source4] and Ausairpower [source3] state that the frequency is 23cm (1.3GHz)
IMO, the lattest value (23cm) as the most precise should be used.

Sources:
source1: http://www.almaz-antey.ru/en/catalogue/ ... /1241/1338
source2: http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-s ... tivnik-ge/
source3: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Low-Band-Radars.html
source4: http://www.almaz-antey.ru/catalogue/mil ... 53/281/643


2.[Not in DB] Mi-8MTPR-1 russian helicopter
According to wiki Mi-8MTPR-1 is standard Mi-8MTV-5-1 with a 'Rychag-AV' active jamming station installed on board and cockpit armor plates removed. About 10 units were recieved by russian army.
The main device of the craft is a Rychag-AV OECM intendend to replace Smalta OECM used on Mi-8SMV helicopters.

Actually there is not much info about that OECM system in english.
Here is a short info about MI-8MTPR-1 in english: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-17
More informative russian sources:
1) Mi-8MTPR-1
2) Rychag-AV OECM

[ClaudeJ]

[*]#1513 - D 627 Maille-Breze [Type 47 ASW Mod, Surcouf Class] -- France (Navy), 1967-1986[/color]

Decommisioned in 1988

General Data:
-Length: 132.5 m
-Height: 28.5 m
-Empty displacement: 3100 tons
-Standard displacement: 3600 tons
-Full displacement: 3904 tons
-Crew: 299

Mounts/Stores/Weapons:
2x 12.7mm/50 MG : replace it by #1636 - 20mm/70 Oerlikon Mk7 Burst [20 rnds]
1x Malafon Single Rail : Launch Interval might be quite long, rate of fire is said to be one missile each two minutes.

Magazines:
- 100mm/55 Mod. 1964 : 1836 shells in reserve
- 20mm/70 Oerlikon : 12960 shells in reserve
- 375mm Bofors Model 1964 : 62 rockets in reserve
- L3 Model 1961 : there are torpedos in reserve
- Malafon : there are 13 missiles in reserve

Magazines:
unsure about Link 11 and 16, I can't see it mentioned. Doesn't mean it ain't there either though.

Docking Facilities:
- 1x Small Dock/Davit (LCVP, 11.1-17m Long)

Properties:
- Refuel from Port x 1 (In)
- Refuel from Starboard x 1 (In)
- Replenish from Port x 1 (In)
- Replenish from Starboard x 1 (In)

Propulsion:
Engines
4 Indret Boilers, 2x Parsons Steam Turbines (using Oil fuel, not Diesel)

Performance details
@ 18 knots : on 2 boilers consumption is 149kg/nm for a 5340 nm max range, at the same speed on 4 boilers its consumption is 165kg/nm for a 4830 nm max range.
@ 34 knots it can travel 1380 nm.


Fuel:
768 tons

Sources:
- "L'escorteur d'escadre D'Estrées" (2015), Philippe Caresse, Navires & Histoire #88.
- "Les Escorteurs d'Escadre" (2013), Jean Moulin & Robert Dumas, ISBN: 978-2357431096.
- "Conway's all the world's fighting ships 1947-1995" (1996), ISBN: 978-1557501325.
- http://www.netmarine.net/bat/listes/desindfr.htm
- http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistr ... PM44000601
- http://www.alabordache.fr/

[Hongjian]

New DF-11 SRBM variant discovered: The DF-11AZT




Henri.K reports:
http://www.eastpendulum.com/df-11azt-va ... t-nouvelle

The DF-11 ballistic missile family is at least 40 years old. Its existence is known mainly because it was one of the Chinese weapons of destruction mainly targeting the island of Taiwan in the 90's, but few know that with its cluster head, the first version of this missile, A 300-km range was above all the last barrier against the hordes of Soviet tanks, which threatened to cross the plain to the north of China at any moment to reach Beijing, the capital of the country.

So what is this variant DF-11AZT? Is she so "new" that?

To answer these questions, we must first understand the meaning of his reference. Although no official explanation has been given so far, but it is assumed that the DF-11AZT would read DF-11A-ZT.

The DF-11A for the extended range variant we have known since 1999, when the model passed its design certification successfully, sign of its entry into active service.

The letter Z, in turn, should mean " Z UAN to" 钻地Chinese and meaning penetrate deeply buried targets. Finally, the letter T, which could be an acronym for " T è zhong" ( 特种), ie "Special".

Also note the "Z2" in brackets and inscribed on the DF-11AZT cell, which could indicate that the missile carries a second penetrating head model.

The development of this type of anti-bunker charge is coherent - many military installations in Taiwan are deeply buried on the ground, such as the command of the armed forces and the anti-aircraft posts, not to mention the fortified hangars where the hundreds Fighter aircraft such as the F-CK-1 , the F-16A / B and the Mirage 2000-5 .

The DF-11AZT would therefore be a short-range ballistic missile, about 600 km long, which would paralyze fortified targets with at least two different penetrating head types.

So, the original DF-11 variant was designed for anti-tank work against Soviet armoured groups and hence carried a cluster warhead. It's range was 300km.
Then the DF-11A variant has an extended range of 600km. Other sources say that this variant mainly improves accuracy of the base missile.

This DF-11AZT variant is a bunker buster carrying a dual-penetration warhead to take out Taiwanese underground aircraft shelters and command centres. Maybe even with improved CEP to carry out the task of hitting underground structures...

[Owllord]

Quick report: Turkish F-4E #224 and #1333 Light AA loadouts are identical to the heavy ones!

[ClaudeJ]

Syracuse satcom (SYstème de RAdioCommunication Utilisant un SatellitE)

ORIGINAL: emsoy

ORIGINAL: FoxZz
...Syracuse satcom (II and III in the last version)....

Do you know when the system was installed?

- Syracuse I satcom (1985-1994) uses 3 Telecom satellites, (1A, 1B and 1C) launched between August 1984 and March 1988, covering an area from the Antilles to Réunion island.
- Syracuse II (1992-2005) uses 4 Telecom satellites, (2A, 2B, 2C and 2D) launched between December 1991 and August 1996.
- Syracuse III (dec. 2005) uses 2 Telecom satellites, (3A and 3B) launched in October 2005 and August 2006, covering an area from east coast of the USA to east of China.

Antenna is 1.5m big and protected by a in radome.

Syracuse III satcom is part of the NATO Satcom V (NSP2K) network. It is secure and EMP proof. Expected service time is 15 years.

Syracuse satcom is also used by Belgium since 1997.


Sources:
- "Les Frégates ASM" (2008), Jean Moulin & Patrick Maurand, ISBN: 978-2357430129.
- http://claudelafleur.qc.ca/Spacecrafts- ... yracuse-3A

[SeaQueen]

If you're looking for a challenge...

Silent Sentry Passive Radar System.

N.B. It is NOT an ESM system, but rather uses reflections from ambient RF sources.

http://www.mobileradar.org/Documents/Silent_Sentry.pdf
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

[Owllord]

The Anka-A is in the DB, but there seem to be a few other variants as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka

[ClaudeJ]

[*]#5526 - Search Master[/color]

Unsure how it would translate into the DB, nor it's note already done, however here are details on that sensor.

It is an AESA, a Synthetic Aperture Radar, that does have a Ground Moving Target Indicator and Periscope Search features. It is able to track up to 1000 contacts, have an IFF mode and is able to merge datas from its different operation modes (data fusion ala Rafale).

It weighs 80 Kg.

Sources:
https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/ ... -de-thales

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[*]#230 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 1991
[*]#4226 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 1995
[*]#174 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2006
[*]#3155 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2009
[*]#4249 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2018-0, MLU

- MLU : Slow introduction (2 airframes) by 2019, the 15th by 2023 : ,

- On all Atlantique 2 (and Atlantic I would assume), please add some Binoculars :
https://www.meretmarine.com/sites/defau ... 3_atl2.jpg
https://www.meretmarine.com/sites/defau ... 01_024.jpg

- Since 2016, Atlantique 2 is equipped with #3303 - GBU-58/B Paveway II LGB [Mk81] (the Marine nationale have a large stock of this weapon which is unused since Super Étendard Mod. retirement).

Sources:
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTe ... 0028338825
https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/ ... archmaster
https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/ ... e-maritime
http://www.air-cosmos.com/des-gbu-58-sur-atl-2-35792
http://www.colsbleus.fr/articles/8292

Nice pic



[*]#174 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2006
[*]#3155 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2009
[*]#4249 - BR.1150 Atlantique 2 -- France (Navy), 2018-0, MLU

From what I reckon as a reliable public source: "Atlantique 2 can carry six MU90 torpedoes in its bay".

I thus suggest that Loadout #1950 is limited to 6 MU-80 instead of 8.


[*]#279 - BR.1150 Atlantic 1 -- Italy (Navy), 2005-0, 18x
Loadout #8747, based on French limitations with the same airframe and weapon, I would suggest a reduction from 8 to 6 torpedoes there too.

Source: https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/ ... lantique-2

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[*]#1450 - MU-90 Impact -- 2003, Ex-Murene, Ex-A.290
- Length: 2.96 m
- Weight: 295 kg
- LaunchSpeedMax: 400 knots
- LaunchAltitudeMax: 900 m


Source: https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/ ... lantique-2

[ClaudeJ]

[*]#792 - A-4Q Skyhawk [A-4B] -- Argentina (Navy), 1972-1988, 16x, 5x Hardpoints, 3rd Fighter/Attack Squadron[/color]

Stores:
- please add #1404 - Mk82 500lb Snakeeye.

Loadouts:
- please add #13729 (Snakeeye X3 + DT) and #23231 (Snakeeye x6 + DT) loadouts.

[Owllord]

First of all, thanks for the fantastic work on CoW - this should really add to the experience.

I noticed that some ships are lacking a cargo capacity, most noteworthy in the case of various commercial cargo vessels. Any chance to give them some capacities in an update?

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Owllord

First of all, thanks for the fantastic work on CoW - this should really add to the experience.

I noticed that some ships are lacking a cargo capacity, most noteworthy in the case of various commercial cargo vessels. Any chance to give them some capacities in an update?

RO/RO's should have it already. Will add this our list.

Mike

[mikmykWS]

DB request list updated to this point.

Thank you all and especially Jan! Lots of good info.

Mike

[hellfish6]

Is the ROK Daegu-class FFG (FFX-II) on the list? The FFX-I Incheon-class in the game, but the improved -II variant would be fun to have.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: hellfish6

Is the ROK Daegu-class FFG (FFX-II) on the list? The FFX-I Incheon-class in the game, but the improved -II variant would be fun to have.

Its been there for awhile but can't find much on the new SAM. Any clues?

Mike

[Dan109]

Please add an additional ITALD loadout on F-18E/Fs from 4x1 to a total of 8. It should be able to carry 4x2 or atleast 2x1 and 1x3 TALDs on outermost hardpoints.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7598bb8f0fbd0598563561314c32260
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.displayPlatform&key=B25C4C9D-07D8-4C54-88B7-358D0F3F09F4

And I know this is a pathetic link, but its hard to find graphical info of the C/D model. This shows the C/D being able to carry 2x2 TALDs. http://www.geocities.ws/f18_captain_usmc/allf18.html

Its all within weight limitations and hardpoint role designations.

From what I can see, the F-16 in Command is already using 2x2 MALDs, not 4x1 - and the navy says they support MER/TERs for the ITALD....

In a worst case scenario for the USN F-18/F-35 attacking the most formidable IADS (without B-52 MALD Support) , I would imagine the F-18s to be the decoy trucks and the F-35s deliver the kill shot, either with the AGM-88E or the upcoming AAGRM-ER (F-35 internally mounted if desired).

http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/us-navy-supporting-double-range-orbital-atk-aargm
http://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/defense-electronic-systems/aargm/docs/AARGM-ER%20Fact%20Sheet%20FINAL.pdf
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52985

AGM-88E should be avail for F-35 block 4 as well, even though I can't find a source. Orbital TK says is "capable" today, which just means it needs IOC testing, not development. I'm sure the F-35Bs want them bad in case the navy isn't around and the F-35C will need them (external 1x2 or 1x4 loadouts for both F-35B/C) as the AAGRM-ER won't be IOC until 2023 or hopefully earlier. The airforce is doing IOC testing already apparently, for the AGM-88E, one could infer from this article.

http://www.defensetech.org/2015/07/20/air-force-f-35as-fly-sead-missions/