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Sub TF keeps disbanding

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The damaged sub keeps disbanding and entering the port for repair. I've tried four or five times to get the sub to leave. Any advice as to how. I don't want to send a repair ship to this base and there's no naval support present.

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Did you set the home port and the destination to the same base?....GP
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That sub would have to remain surfaced (I believe) with that much flotation damage. It would be a sitting duck for air ASW. I think you're stuck. You could try putting the most incompetent commander you can find in charge.

I'm usually a pretty good speller. I tried using "floatation" but the spell check went after it. Looked it up in a dictionary and indeed "flotation" is the preferred spelling but the other is cited as an optional alternate spelling. "Fourty four" is still not allowed, however. The spell check will allow "forty for" for obvious reasons.

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The damaged sub keeps disbanding and entering the port for repair. I've tried four or five times to get the sub to leave. Any advice as to how. I don't want to send a repair ship to this base and there's no naval support present.

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You don't show the Float damage split between major and minor, but it's unlikely an AR or naval support would solve your problem.

As said, check you're setting the homeport and dest. correctly. Then I'd look at the CO and swap in the highest Naval rating you can. If there is an interim owned base closer than the homeport you want, set that. If none of that works you may be stuck until you have an ARD handy.
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send another sub there and transfer it into that TF.[;)]
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send another sub there and transfer it into that TF.[;)]

Might help. Good call.
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You don't show the Float damage split between major and minor, but it's unlikely an AR or naval support would solve your problem.

All flotation.
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As said, check you're setting the homeport and dest. correctly. Then I'd look at the CO and swap in the highest Naval rating you can. If there is an interim owned base closer than the homeport you want, set that. If none of that works you may be stuck until you have an ARD handy.

I did, been caught like that before. Tried Brisbane, then Townsville, then Darwin. I've change the skipper to an 80 naval. What seems strange to me is it's not just disbanding to port but disbanding into repair.
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You don't show the Float damage split between major and minor, but it's unlikely an AR or naval support would solve your problem.

All flotation.
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As said, check you're setting the homeport and dest. correctly. Then I'd look at the CO and swap in the highest Naval rating you can. If there is an interim owned base closer than the homeport you want, set that. If none of that works you may be stuck until you have an ARD handy.

I did, been caught like that before. Tried Brisbane, then Townsville, then Darwin. I've change the skipper to an 80 naval. What seems strange to me is it's not just disbanding to port but disbanding into repair.
That is not strange - have seen many badly damaged ships do that.
Check your routing orders too - Should be Direct Absolute, and with a companion sub in charge of the TF.
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You don't show the Float damage split between major and minor, but it's unlikely an AR or naval support would solve your problem.

All flotation.

I know, but how much is Major?
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He wants you to post the individual ship screen, like this:


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You don't show the Float damage split between major and minor, but it's unlikely an AR or naval support would solve your problem.

All flotation.

I know, but how much is Major?

There is no System damage showing and that would have repaired after minor flotation damage, so I assume it must all be major now.
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Of course, one should consider the cost of assigning a great naval skill leader to a stricken ship. Not only for the PP cost, but also for the very real possibility that the ship makes it two hexes to sea and goes under. With a 250 PP Nimitz or Halsey on board trying to vainly save some rust-bucket S-boat, I'd just have to laugh if it sank and took the overqualified Captain with it. [:D]
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All flotation.

I know, but how much is Major?

There is no System damage showing and that would have repaired after minor flotation damage, so I assume it must all be major now.

Probably, but you presume there ever was any System damage. And minor flooding does not always repair first. It depends on the bands. How long the boat has been there. Lots of things.
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Of course, one should consider the cost of assigning a great naval skill leader to a stricken ship. Not only for the PP cost, but also for the very real possibility that the ship makes it two hexes to sea and goes under. With a 250 PP Nimitz or Halsey on board trying to vainly save some rust-bucket S-boat, I'd just have to laugh if it sank and took the overqualified Captain with it. [:D]

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All major flotation damage.

I'll try stinking it in TF with another.
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I've had similar issues with other ship types, and the solution is always to put them into an "Escort" TF, which seems to override the "disband immediately" code. Unfortunately, subs are the only ship-type that can't go into an Escort TF, so that "out" isn't available for them, and thus it might be a bug of some sort.

On the other hand, a sub damaged to that degree couldn't go underwater (and you can't put subs into surface-type TFs of any sort), so it's actually kind of realistic that it can't move.

That said, you could still try setting the threat level to "Absolute" (as recommended by BBfanboy). Also try changing the HQ for the individual sub to something other than the one which controls Saumlaki (preferably the same HQ as the destination port hex).

Lastly, you could try setting the destination to a hex with a shipyard, just in case there's some sort of hidden code that checks for that sort of thing. Unlikely, but worth a shot.
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All major flotation damage.

I'll try stinking it in TF with another.

I have only rarely seen a sub with zero System and that high a level of major Float fail to do what it's told. The RN subs seem more shy about traveling with damage; don't know why. About a game year ago I had one run back to Pt. Blair three times when told to go to Madras, and it had Float of 32, but System damage of about 25.

In my second game now I had a boat coming out of the Canal Zone torped by an I-boat about 40% of the way to Pearl. System damage in the 30s, Float at 91. Ordered back to SD. Made it ten days before sinking. Last Float damage level was 98 and still traveled one more hex. So you never know.

The TF ploy is your best bet.
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And if none of these suggestions work, just leave the sub in port until you get an ARD you can send there.
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The name of your sub is grayed out which tells me its probably transitioning between pierside and readiness mode. This transition may take several days. Wait 'til the sub name is yellow and try it then.
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

The name of your sub is grayed out which tells me its probably transitioning between pierside and readiness mode. This transition may take several days. Wait 'til the sub name is yellow and try it then.

Good catch, rustyi! [&o]
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