CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Had some issues and made a test scen to verify.

F-8J crusader cannot use the the AIM-9C (radar guided sidewinder)...always gets target cannot be detected etc msg.

CG Albany using the Talos "H".. (ARM mode missile) can engage some of the shore based radars...but never detects the spoon rest and can't engage. I even added a few ESM sensors and didn't detect the spoon rest.

FYI..

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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Thanks! Added to our list of fixes.

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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Hi on the Talos ARM it depends what band the seeker head is gonna go for once I get back in I'll check it over same for the Crusader AIM-9C combo as well
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Had some issues and made a test scen to verify.

F-8J crusader cannot use the the AIM-9C (radar guided sidewinder)...always gets target cannot be detected etc msg.

CG Albany using the Talos "H".. (ARM mode missile) can engage some of the shore based radars...but never detects the spoon rest and can't engage. I even added a few ESM sensors and didn't detect the spoon rest.

FYI..

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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Hi on the Talos ARM it depends what band the seeker head is gonna go for once I get back in I'll check it over same for the Crusader AIM-9C combo as well
ORIGINAL: Overlord

Had some issues and made a test scen to verify.

F-8J crusader cannot use the the AIM-9C (radar guided sidewinder)...always gets target cannot be detected etc msg.

CG Albany using the Talos "H".. (ARM mode missile) can engage some of the shore based radars...but never detects the spoon rest and can't engage. I even added a few ESM sensors and didn't detect the spoon rest.

FYI..

Thanks...is there a quick way to check the seeker head capability?

Also note...the Albany did NOT detect the spoon rest at all with it's default ESM...nor with manually added newer ESM sensors.
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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bump
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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WHat are you bumping...the devs already said it was added to the list
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Well, I was going to report the same but this thread already exists so I'll put it here. I understand it's already on the list, but I'm attaching two more test scenarios. The scenario I built that used AIM-9C armed Crusaders (and many thanks to the guys who played it) and a test scenario I built to troubleshoot. Hope it helps.
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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In the Aircraft Database Viewer/Aircraft Stores for the appropriate plane there should be a notice in the description (what system can provide guidance). This is missing for AIM-9C. From my observation, it looks like AIM-9C is not paired to any radar present in the database.
Also, the missile itself has not any illumination properties and its guidance type description is something I've never seen at SARH missile.


As for the RGM-8H Talos: Frequency bands of ARM seeker are not mentioned anywhere. I believe you have to access the database to get this info. However, it is not a case of mismatched frequency, I've checked the missile and its seeker works. Just, for some reason, Spoon Rest radar is much difficult to detect from the ground, and Talos loaded on ship launcher cannot see the radar unless it is very close to minimum engagement distance. For experiment - when loaded to the aircraft, it works at any range. Unless the low detection range is a problem, I believe it is "working as intended".
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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OK...updated to current DB...

partially fixed... the Talos ARM now works correctly... Radar LOS is important here depending upon which Radar you are attacking.. as I got close the ARM could detect the Spoon Rest and successfully engage it.

RE: AIM-9C (SARH Sidewinder) still not working... but I searched the DB for other comparable SARH weapons and I noted the AIM-9C did NOT have "illuminate at launch" flagged...possibly that is the problem?


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Ok thanks. Pinged the guy in charge of that one to take a look.

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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Problem fixed :)
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OK...updated to current DB...

partially fixed... the Talos ARM now works correctly... Radar LOS is important here depending upon which Radar you are attacking.. as I got close the ARM could detect the Spoon Rest and successfully engage it.

RE: AIM-9C (SARH Sidewinder) still not working... but I searched the DB for other comparable SARH weapons and I noted the AIM-9C did NOT have "illuminate at launch" flagged...possibly that is the problem?


Thanks again!
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Awesome...I'll dust off my old scenario and try and get it finished!
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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@.Sirius

AIM-9C issue is back along with the SS-2 issue in build 470. Same issues as before...perhaps the fixes didn't carry over.

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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Fixed
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RE: CWDB AIM-9C and Talos H issue

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Same bugs are back in build 478.

Also can you check the antenna height (?) on the Spoon Rest #706. It's very hard to detect and engage it with the Talos ARM. You must get really close like within 10nm.

Of course that might be accurate...but if its range is 150nm...you'd think it could be detected sooner.. the SS-2 running short on range at about 250nm is back...do you need a save for that?
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