South Pacific - The Musical

[Lowpe]

Went and saw South Pacific the 1960's musical at the Walnut Street Theatre in Philadelphia last night -- oldest running theatre in the country.

Nice fun time, even better hearing Zeroes and P40's mentioned although one line mentioned Japanese heavy bombers...I want some!


If you played Fallout, you have heard some of the music...A wonderful guy...as corny as Kansas in august.[:)]

[Lowpe]

Oh forgot to mention why I wanted to post this....

in the Cast was the Granddaughter of a past President and Great Granddaughter of another President -- can you name her or the Presidents?

[BBfanboy]

I suppose if they are dropping bombs on YOU, all bombers are heavies!

[AW1Steve]

You don't need 4 engines to be qualified as a "heavy". The RAF Wellington , the INJ "Betty" and the IJA "Helen" were all classified as heavies. So was the He111. Until the B-17 was created there really were no 4-engine heavies unless one goes back to the Gotha, The HP400 and the Barling bomber. I'm not sure if the Soviets classified the TB-3 as a heavy or not.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Went and saw South Pacific the 1960's musical at the Walnut Street Theatre in Philadelphia last night -- oldest running theatre in the country.

Nice fun time, even better hearing Zeroes and P40's mentioned although one line mentioned Japanese heavy bombers...I want some!


If you played Fallout, you have heard some of the music...A wonderful guy...as corny as Kansas in august.[:)]

Actually, PBS broadcast a live version from the Lincoln Theater a couple of years ago. It really is a great play and the music is still good. Never seen it before.

[mussey]

Some enchanted evening....

[mussey]

.... You may meet a stranger...

[mussey]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Oh forgot to mention why I wanted to post this....

in the Cast was the Granddaughter of a past President and Great Granddaughter of another President -- can you name her or the Presidents?

Eisenhower/Nixon?

[Leandros]

I saw it as a boy. What I remember best was the PBY.

Fred

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

You don't need 4 engines to be qualified as a "heavy". The RAF Wellington , the INJ "Betty" and the IJA "Helen" were all classified as heavies. So was the He111. Until the B-17 was created there really were no 4-engine heavies unless one goes back to the Gotha, The HP400 and the Barling bomber. I'm not sure if the Soviets classified the TB-3 as a heavy or not.

warspite1

Aircraft are not my specialist subject, but I don't recall the Wellington ever being referred to as a 'Heavy'. She was a medium bomber surely?

[mussey]

ORIGINAL: Leandros


I saw it as a boy. What I remember best was the PBY.

Fred

+1

[Lowpe]

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Oh forgot to mention why I wanted to post this....

in the Cast was the Granddaughter of a past President and Great Granddaughter of another President -- can you name her or the Presidents?

Eisenhower/Nixon?

Winner!

Used to see or hear about others seeing the Grandad having lunch or dinner with family occasionally in the area. No secret service present. Always nice and pleasant....a politician I guess although he was just a lawyer then.

[BBfanboy]

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

You don't need 4 engines to be qualified as a "heavy". The RAF Wellington , the INJ "Betty" and the IJA "Helen" were all classified as heavies. So was the He111. Until the B-17 was created there really were no 4-engine heavies unless one goes back to the Gotha, The HP400 and the Barling bomber. I'm not sure if the Soviets classified the TB-3 as a heavy or not.

warspite1

Aircraft are not my specialist subject, but I don't recall the Wellington ever being referred to as a 'Heavy'. She was a medium bomber surely?

Pretty sure the British had the Short Sterling, Halifax and Lancaster on the production lines so a twin engined plane like the Wellington was not considered a HB. Wasn't it nicknamed a "Wimpy"?

[AW1Steve]

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

You don't need 4 engines to be qualified as a "heavy". The RAF Wellington , the INJ "Betty" and the IJA "Helen" were all classified as heavies. So was the He111. Until the B-17 was created there really were no 4-engine heavies unless one goes back to the Gotha, The HP400 and the Barling bomber. I'm not sure if the Soviets classified the TB-3 as a heavy or not.

warspite1

Aircraft are not my specialist subject, but I don't recall the Wellington ever being referred to as a 'Heavy'. She was a medium bomber surely?

Pretty sure the British had the Short Sterling, Halifax and Lancaster on the production lines so a twin engined plane like the Wellington was not considered a HB. Wasn't it nicknamed a "Wimpy"?

Yes and the USAAF had the B-29. But none of them existed in 1940. 1st the Brits had the Whitley (a 2-engine) then the Manchester (a 2
engine version of the Lancaster , and a failure). Then Came the "new heavy" the Wellington (AKA "Whimpey"). Then came the Stirling , Halifax and eventually the Manchester. But none of those 4 engine jobs were available when the war started.

[BBfanboy]

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Aircraft are not my specialist subject, but I don't recall the Wellington ever being referred to as a 'Heavy'. She was a medium bomber surely?

Pretty sure the British had the Short Sterling, Halifax and Lancaster on the production lines so a twin engined plane like the Wellington was not considered a HB. Wasn't it nicknamed a "Wimpy"?

Yes and the USAAF had the B-29. But none of them existed in 1940. 1st the Brits had the Whitley (a 2-engine) then the Manchester (a 2
engine version of the Lancaster , and a failure). Then Came the "new heavy" the Wellington (AKA "Whimpey"). Then came the Stirling , Halifax and eventually the Manchester. But none of those 4 engine jobs were available when the war started.

No one said "in 1939" to limit the statement about the Wellington being considered a heavy bomber to early war. And the four-engined bombers were at least under design and development for some time before they were in production. I think "Bomber Harris" knew in 1939 that he needed a long range bomber to hit Germany, but until France fell Churchill had other priorities.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Leandros


I saw it as a boy. What I remember best was the PBY.

Fred

As a boy, I was dragged to a stupid movie called "Man of LaMancha". Now the two lead actors had voices dubbed in by professionals when they were supposedly singing. I didn't care. I didn't care about the plot or anything else. This was my introduction to the lead actress, and I present her here for you:





I'm afraid I was a horny little b****** from that point forward.

[AW1Steve]

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy



Pretty sure the British had the Short Sterling, Halifax and Lancaster on the production lines so a twin engined plane like the Wellington was not considered a HB. Wasn't it nicknamed a "Wimpy"?

Yes and the USAAF had the B-29. But none of them existed in 1940. 1st the Brits had the Whitley (a 2-engine) then the Manchester (a 2
engine version of the Lancaster , and a failure). Then Came the "new heavy" the Wellington (AKA "Whimpey"). Then came the Stirling , Halifax and eventually the Manchester. But none of those 4 engine jobs were available when the war started.

No one said "in 1939" to limit the statement about the Wellington being considered a heavy bomber to early war. And the four-engined bombers were at least under design and development for some time before they were in production. I think "Bomber Harris" knew in 1939 that he needed a long range bomber to hit Germany, but until France fell Churchill had other priorities.

The Wellington and Whitley were originally classed as "heavy bombers", by virtue of the fact that they were the heaviest , longest range bombers available to the RAF. Once 4 engine bombers became available in 1942, like the Stirling , and the Halifax, they were reclassified as mediums. The Manchester , another 2 engine "heavy" , was an abject failure , and was rebuilt as the Lancaster , a 4 engine which would define the British "heavy bomber". Many planes went through this "reclassification " process. Even the B-29 , which started as a "very heavy", was reclassified as a "heavy" when the B-36 came out , and eventual as a "medium" for a short time (before retirement).

Basically a "heavy bomber" was the biggest , longest ranged most "badass" bomber that you had. Till it was replaced by something else. Don't take my word for it. (Because obviously you won't...and haven't). Do a search under Wellington HEAVY bomber and Wellington Medium bomber. You'll find about an equal number of both listings (not just Wikipedia but even the RAF). It simple is a matter of what time period we are talking about. In 1939-41 , yes. 1942, not so much. 1943- definitely not.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Leandros


I saw it as a boy. What I remember best was the PBY.

Fred

As a boy, I was dragged to a stupid movie called "Man of LaMancha". Now the two lead actors had voices dubbed in by professionals when they were supposedly singing. I didn't care. I didn't care about the plot or anything else. This was my introduction to the lead actress, and I present her here for you:





I'm afraid I was a horny little b****** from that point forward.

You've got to stop posting stuff like this gorn!!!![:@] At my age my heart can't take it.[:D]

[BBfanboy]

AE1Steve, it looks like semantics is causing a lot of my confusion - I don't consider a bomber "heavy" just because some other people did at the time - it has to have long range and heavy bomb load in my books. But I acknowledge that they may have been considered heavy by some people early in the war.
Now back to our regular programme - memorable ladies![;)]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

AE1Steve, it looks like semantics is causing a lot of my confusion - I don't consider a bomber "heavy" just because some other people did at the time - it has to have long range and heavy bomb load in my books. But I acknowledge that they may have been considered heavy by some people early in the war.
Now back to our regular programme - memorable ladies![;)]

OK. 1st it's AW1 Steve. 2nd , I guess of you want to operate under the "I reject your reality and substitute my own" principal , you can. I'm not talking about "some people". I'm talking about "MOST Air Forces". Britain to Berlin was, with 1000+ pounds generally sufficient to be considered heavy. Boeing was the 1st company to come up with 4 engines for the "heavy bomber competition" , it had a new engine available and thought it could make the YB-17 work, while it's competitors understood that "heavy" meant 2 engines.

I can direct you to any number of sites or books that support my argument. Do you have any to support yours? [&:]