Hello All.
I've been taking a bit of time away from the game and hope to get Dan and I's grand match going again right after Labor Day.
In the meantime, Michael and I have been discussing doing a complete update of our Mods. As it currently stands our design team has produced:
1. The Treaty Mod: Very slight changes are made to the Washington and London Treaties allowing for several extra ships to be added. The Japanese get a BC, the American two BCs, and Hybrid Carriers are allowed. Other then those small additions no other changes are made from a standard Grand Campaign.
2. The Reluctant Admiral: This is the most popular of our Mods and it was the first created. The Mod has the Japanese break off of the timeline in 1937-38 and pursue ideas spoken/written about by Yamamoto Isoroku.
3. Between the Storms: A combination of the two above Mods working from 1921-1941.
4. Between the Storms Lite: The same above but there are no Yamato's. The Japanese instead build a 16" BB Class.
All these Mods are based off of DBB Grand Campaign.
The problem is when we started there was no vision for the creation of multiple Mods. RA was the first and the other followed but there was no real planning. Currently each Mod has its own install and separate database changes. This makes for all sorts of issues, consistency, and continuity problems.
Michael and I have decided to synthesize all the Mods into ONE database. The differences and changes will be done through simply clicking what classes of ships, types of units, and other formations apply to each Mod. This makes a BUNCH of sense to both of us. Our plan is to do the compilation and then go through the Mods and clean them up. Additionally we plan to make changes based upon our experiences, player experiences, and player input with the Mods.
We'll stick the Extended map, hex stacking limitations, and Juan's off map aircraft purchase system.
The biggest change is that we are going to use Big B's new Grand Campaign Mod as the basis of the new one. Brian has been a great supporter of our work over the years and I am very interested in seeing what his changes do. Don't get me wrong, the current Mods will stay available as is so players can use the DBB format without issue.
This is the plan the I just wanted to start the thread before we begin the heavy lifting...
Between the Storms Facelift
Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
Between the Storms Facelift
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
This is the Treaty Mod Scenario description:
The Treaty Mod (Scenario 45)
ALTNAV 1922-1937
The Treaty Mod for AE has been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences to cover the time of 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. It should be noted that no changes are made to any major power from 1937-1941.
The Washington Conference
Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for naval disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. After considerable bickering and pressure being brought to bear, the Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. While maintaining the 5-5-3 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan, there are several new outcomes:
1. The Japanese then argue to keep either a Tosa or one of the Amagi Class battlecruisers. The Americans carry the day in arguing for the Lexington-Class battlecruisers being completed. They gain the Ranger and Constellation (while scrapping BB Mississippi to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods (while additionally scrapping Royal Sovereign), and Japan completes Amagi-Class Ishitaka.
2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked:
a. Two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's) are allowed to be built for further carrier experimentation. The Americans still convert USS Langley and USS Ely to seaplane carriers and they are both then transferred to the Asiatic Fleet.
b. Two BC to CV conversions are still allowed but further treaty tonnage is added for one more CVL to be built by both Japan and USA. The Americans build the USS King’s Mountain (proto-Independence Class) and the Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build IJN Ryukaku (a proto-CVL as well).
3. The Big 3 allow for more research into 'Cruiser' Submarines. The Americans build an additional Argonaut and Narwhal, the Japanese add three Mine Layers, and the French add another Surcouf.
The London Conference
Moving on to the London Conference (1930), the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). This allows for GB and USA to build two more CAs (USA: Burlington and Rome) while Japan gains one.
2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. USA adds USS Anchorage and Dallas and Japan begins building their scaled-back Mogami-Cruisers.
3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each to be built in the early-30s. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville, GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi. These hybrids are not true, useful CVLs not are they true, useful cruisers but they have a unique niche in 1941 and ALL of them can be converted into carriers later in 1942.
***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds additional Myoko-Class CAs and keeps the Mogami Class as 6” CLs.
As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA, CL, and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson is sent south to protect the Philippine reinforcement TFs going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF).
The Treaty Mod (Scenario 45)
ALTNAV 1922-1937
The Treaty Mod for AE has been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences to cover the time of 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. It should be noted that no changes are made to any major power from 1937-1941.
The Washington Conference
Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for naval disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. After considerable bickering and pressure being brought to bear, the Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. While maintaining the 5-5-3 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan, there are several new outcomes:
1. The Japanese then argue to keep either a Tosa or one of the Amagi Class battlecruisers. The Americans carry the day in arguing for the Lexington-Class battlecruisers being completed. They gain the Ranger and Constellation (while scrapping BB Mississippi to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods (while additionally scrapping Royal Sovereign), and Japan completes Amagi-Class Ishitaka.
2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked:
a. Two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's) are allowed to be built for further carrier experimentation. The Americans still convert USS Langley and USS Ely to seaplane carriers and they are both then transferred to the Asiatic Fleet.
b. Two BC to CV conversions are still allowed but further treaty tonnage is added for one more CVL to be built by both Japan and USA. The Americans build the USS King’s Mountain (proto-Independence Class) and the Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build IJN Ryukaku (a proto-CVL as well).
3. The Big 3 allow for more research into 'Cruiser' Submarines. The Americans build an additional Argonaut and Narwhal, the Japanese add three Mine Layers, and the French add another Surcouf.
The London Conference
Moving on to the London Conference (1930), the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). This allows for GB and USA to build two more CAs (USA: Burlington and Rome) while Japan gains one.
2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. USA adds USS Anchorage and Dallas and Japan begins building their scaled-back Mogami-Cruisers.
3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each to be built in the early-30s. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville, GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi. These hybrids are not true, useful CVLs not are they true, useful cruisers but they have a unique niche in 1941 and ALL of them can be converted into carriers later in 1942.
***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds additional Myoko-Class CAs and keeps the Mogami Class as 6” CLs.
As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA, CL, and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson is sent south to protect the Philippine reinforcement TFs going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF).
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
RA description:
RA 8.0 (Scenario 50)
The Reluctant Admiral is a Japanese 'what if' scenario based upon a greater contribution by Adm. Yamamoto Isoroku to the development of the Kaigun in 1936-1941. The premise of the Mod is that Yamamoto exerted a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for a war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war. In so choosing to do this Yamamoto then changes the 4th Circle Building Plan replacing the 3rd and 4th Yamato-Class Battleships with improved Shokaku-Class CVs and a pair of Kawachi-Class fast Battlecruisers, two Tone-Class CAs, an accelerated Light Cruiser deployment, and additional destroyers. Quick, reasonably cheap carrier conversions are moved forward seeing all of the pre-war CVs/CVLs deploy by December 7th or at slightly earlier dates in 1942. Though only a few of these new ships are ready on December 7th, these additions shall make the Kaigun a force to be reckoned with well into 1944.
The Japan Naval Air Arm is changed so that everything is staked to the Zero Airframe with a specialization of the Zero into a Land-Based Interceptor as well as CV-Based Fighters. Research and production expansion is achieved by streamlining the air industry (cutting several models) while bringing forward second generation aircraft: Judy, Jill, etc… By great effort the IJNAF deploys nearly all new aircraft on December 7th.
On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.
The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.
Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!
Once war begins RA postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Several more Shokaku CVs are ordered as well as another pair of CAs, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better 2nd-class destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense fleet.
It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. RA 6.4+ brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, a French Squadron at Noumea, the use of CLV Charlotte (a Flightdeck Cruiser), a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV, Tangier Class AV, and Cimarron Class AOs into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.
How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?
In addition to its own special modifications, The Reluctant Admiral 6.0+ has been made fully compatible with DaBabes and thus has more ship classes than stock, and many more of the smaller vessels comprising these classes for both sides: yard oilers, coastal minesweepers, auxiliary subchasers, patrol boats, minefield tenders, and many others designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to the development, population, capabilities, and logistical support of bases and rear and operational areas. The Reluctant Admiral 6.0 also incorporates several database modifications that are designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to several combat modes. Database elements have been modified to provide more realistic results for AAA (flak) combat, ASW combat, and certain minor, but nevertheless fun, aspects of naval combat, like land bombardment and coastal defense fire and new modifications to ATA combat. The modifications include lining-up and unifying data elements within certain fields, so that things interface more smoothly, as well as substantial changes to the data elements themselves.
RA 8.0 (Scenario 50)
The Reluctant Admiral is a Japanese 'what if' scenario based upon a greater contribution by Adm. Yamamoto Isoroku to the development of the Kaigun in 1936-1941. The premise of the Mod is that Yamamoto exerted a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for a war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war. In so choosing to do this Yamamoto then changes the 4th Circle Building Plan replacing the 3rd and 4th Yamato-Class Battleships with improved Shokaku-Class CVs and a pair of Kawachi-Class fast Battlecruisers, two Tone-Class CAs, an accelerated Light Cruiser deployment, and additional destroyers. Quick, reasonably cheap carrier conversions are moved forward seeing all of the pre-war CVs/CVLs deploy by December 7th or at slightly earlier dates in 1942. Though only a few of these new ships are ready on December 7th, these additions shall make the Kaigun a force to be reckoned with well into 1944.
The Japan Naval Air Arm is changed so that everything is staked to the Zero Airframe with a specialization of the Zero into a Land-Based Interceptor as well as CV-Based Fighters. Research and production expansion is achieved by streamlining the air industry (cutting several models) while bringing forward second generation aircraft: Judy, Jill, etc… By great effort the IJNAF deploys nearly all new aircraft on December 7th.
On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.
The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.
Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!
Once war begins RA postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Several more Shokaku CVs are ordered as well as another pair of CAs, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better 2nd-class destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense fleet.
It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. RA 6.4+ brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, a French Squadron at Noumea, the use of CLV Charlotte (a Flightdeck Cruiser), a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV, Tangier Class AV, and Cimarron Class AOs into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.
How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?
In addition to its own special modifications, The Reluctant Admiral 6.0+ has been made fully compatible with DaBabes and thus has more ship classes than stock, and many more of the smaller vessels comprising these classes for both sides: yard oilers, coastal minesweepers, auxiliary subchasers, patrol boats, minefield tenders, and many others designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to the development, population, capabilities, and logistical support of bases and rear and operational areas. The Reluctant Admiral 6.0 also incorporates several database modifications that are designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to several combat modes. Database elements have been modified to provide more realistic results for AAA (flak) combat, ASW combat, and certain minor, but nevertheless fun, aspects of naval combat, like land bombardment and coastal defense fire and new modifications to ATA combat. The modifications include lining-up and unifying data elements within certain fields, so that things interface more smoothly, as well as substantial changes to the data elements themselves.
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
Between the Storms
Between the Storms (Scen 55)
The ALTNAV Mod creates a completely different time period between the wars. The Treaty Mod's changes from 1922-1937 and brought into the 1937-1941 period of Adm Yamamoto's modifications brought out in Reluctant Admiral. All the ships added or changed in Treaty are brought forward into the RA world and a seamless new time Between the Storms is created.
Take a crack at playing the Japanese or the Americans and see what sort of chaos you can create!
Notes:
1. This Mod is not very AI compatible. There are so many changes done that I recommend it be PBEM.
2. This Mod uses JuanG's revolutionary Allied aircraft purchase system. Download the PDF below for more details.
3. BTS 1.8+ sees the further crippling of the US Industry. Roughly 50-75% of American Industry starts damaged to better reflect the United States spinning up its industrial might.
4. BTS 2.0 adds some small Recon Kates to heavy Japanese CVs, re-names a double-named IJN Carrier, standardizes Shokaku-Kai Air Groups, corrects issues with Midway and FDR, and weakens the Hybrid Warships to lesson their game effectiveness.
5. BTS 2.1 Change List: CV Princeton II is now South Mountain, USS Manatee (Argonaut) and Dungeness (Narwhal) added to US SS. Start in Pearl Harbor. I-125, 126, 127 (Japanese ML) added to Fleet and placed in their own TF to raise HELL on the 7th, USS Paulding naming fixed, Raised Japanese Type 88 Mine Production some to reflect having more boats at war's start, Deleted 4 SNLF China units that were accidentally left in the OOB when JWE imported all the unit to his newest DaBabes standard. Moved over 4 IJA Garrison units to replace the SNLF units, Placed all of 55th ID with Imperial Guards, Karafuto Bge placed under Northern Area Command, Added Coastal Command arriving at Osaka in June 42, Army Paras moved to Hanoi, Brit 2nd ID TOE fixed, Added a CLAA Omaha upgrade in late-43, Added 6th Ind Brigade to Pacific duty (replacing the 55th ID Regiment), Made sure the LIZ upgrades to the RITA without issue, Added French Bouvier (Surcouf-Class SS) by popular demand, Added Juan's 2.0 aircraft off-map purchase system.
6. BTS 2.2 fixes the 9th Aussie ID from coming in at Aden as a restricted unit and having to be bought out.
7. BTS 2.3 is a major update that fixes a whole host of issues found through game play: Allied Chinese unit issues, Japanese Shokaku Kai upgrade issues, French Seaplanes added to Surcouf and sister, Wasp DB Group upgrade issue fixed, AVD Clemson no yard upgrade requirement fixed, CS/CVL Mizuho Float Plane to Zero-Kate conversion issues fixed, Japanese starting merchant and tanker locations worked on, redeployment of British units to better reflect the new map's additional bases, and a more intelligent redeployment of Japanese warships.
8. BTS 2.4 fixes two upgrade path issues with Tangier--Bogue-2 and CLV Jacksonville conversion to CVL. Lowered India and China Garrison Requirements by 400 and 350 respectively.
9. BTS 2.5 Brings BTS more into line with RA and BTSL with ships and entry times, adds CL Java upgrade path, corrects E16A1 range issues, fixes numerous tower armor issues on American CL/CA/BB, and India and China garrison requirements lowered more.
Between the Storms (Scen 55)
The ALTNAV Mod creates a completely different time period between the wars. The Treaty Mod's changes from 1922-1937 and brought into the 1937-1941 period of Adm Yamamoto's modifications brought out in Reluctant Admiral. All the ships added or changed in Treaty are brought forward into the RA world and a seamless new time Between the Storms is created.
Take a crack at playing the Japanese or the Americans and see what sort of chaos you can create!
Notes:
1. This Mod is not very AI compatible. There are so many changes done that I recommend it be PBEM.
2. This Mod uses JuanG's revolutionary Allied aircraft purchase system. Download the PDF below for more details.
3. BTS 1.8+ sees the further crippling of the US Industry. Roughly 50-75% of American Industry starts damaged to better reflect the United States spinning up its industrial might.
4. BTS 2.0 adds some small Recon Kates to heavy Japanese CVs, re-names a double-named IJN Carrier, standardizes Shokaku-Kai Air Groups, corrects issues with Midway and FDR, and weakens the Hybrid Warships to lesson their game effectiveness.
5. BTS 2.1 Change List: CV Princeton II is now South Mountain, USS Manatee (Argonaut) and Dungeness (Narwhal) added to US SS. Start in Pearl Harbor. I-125, 126, 127 (Japanese ML) added to Fleet and placed in their own TF to raise HELL on the 7th, USS Paulding naming fixed, Raised Japanese Type 88 Mine Production some to reflect having more boats at war's start, Deleted 4 SNLF China units that were accidentally left in the OOB when JWE imported all the unit to his newest DaBabes standard. Moved over 4 IJA Garrison units to replace the SNLF units, Placed all of 55th ID with Imperial Guards, Karafuto Bge placed under Northern Area Command, Added Coastal Command arriving at Osaka in June 42, Army Paras moved to Hanoi, Brit 2nd ID TOE fixed, Added a CLAA Omaha upgrade in late-43, Added 6th Ind Brigade to Pacific duty (replacing the 55th ID Regiment), Made sure the LIZ upgrades to the RITA without issue, Added French Bouvier (Surcouf-Class SS) by popular demand, Added Juan's 2.0 aircraft off-map purchase system.
6. BTS 2.2 fixes the 9th Aussie ID from coming in at Aden as a restricted unit and having to be bought out.
7. BTS 2.3 is a major update that fixes a whole host of issues found through game play: Allied Chinese unit issues, Japanese Shokaku Kai upgrade issues, French Seaplanes added to Surcouf and sister, Wasp DB Group upgrade issue fixed, AVD Clemson no yard upgrade requirement fixed, CS/CVL Mizuho Float Plane to Zero-Kate conversion issues fixed, Japanese starting merchant and tanker locations worked on, redeployment of British units to better reflect the new map's additional bases, and a more intelligent redeployment of Japanese warships.
8. BTS 2.4 fixes two upgrade path issues with Tangier--Bogue-2 and CLV Jacksonville conversion to CVL. Lowered India and China Garrison Requirements by 400 and 350 respectively.
9. BTS 2.5 Brings BTS more into line with RA and BTSL with ships and entry times, adds CL Java upgrade path, corrects E16A1 range issues, fixes numerous tower armor issues on American CL/CA/BB, and India and China garrison requirements lowered more.
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
BtS Lite with better description:
Between the Storms Lite 057
ALTNAV 1922-1937
The Treaty Mod for AE has been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences to cover the time of 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. It should be noted that no changes are made to any major power from 1937-1941.
The Washington Conference
Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for naval disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. After considerable bickering and pressure being brought to bear, the Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. While maintaining the 5-5-3 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan, there are several new outcomes:
1. The Japanese then argue to keep either a Tosa or one of the Amagi Class battlecruisers. The Americans carry the day in arguing for the Lexington-Class battlecruisers being completed. They gain the Ranger and Constellation (while scrapping BB Mississippi to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods (while additionally scrapping Royal Sovereign), and Japan completes Amagi-Class Ishitaka.
2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked:
a. Two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's) are allowed to be built for further carrier experimentation. The Americans still convert USS Langley and USS Ely to seaplane carriers and they are both then transferred to the Asiatic Fleet.
b. Two BC to CV conversions are still allowed but further treaty tonnage is added for one more CVL to be built by both Japan and USA. The Americans build the USS King’s Mountain (proto-Independence Class) and the Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build IJN Ryukaku (a proto-CVL as well).
3. The Big 3 allow for more research into 'Cruiser' Submarines. The Americans build an additional Argonaut and Narwhal, the Japanese add three Mine Layers, and the French add another Surcouf.
The London Conference
Moving on to the London Conference (1930), the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). This allows for GB and USA to build two more CAs (USA: Burlington and Rome) while Japan gains one.
2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. USA adds USS Anchorage and Dallas and Japan begins building their scaled-back Mogami-Cruisers.
3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each to be built in the early-30s. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville, GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi. These hybrids are not true, useful CVs nor are they true, useful cruisers but they have a unique niche in 1941 and ALL of them can be converted into carriers later in 1942.
***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds additional Myoko-Class CAs and keeps the Mogami Class as 6” CLs.
Warship Construction AFTER the Treaty Years
Battleship Question and Decision
After abandoning the Treaty System, great discussion goes into the first new battleships to be built by Japan since the Nagato Class. The choices ends up centering on building two modern, fast conventional battlewagons as opposed to the mighty Yamato-Class. The prohibitive factors of cost and time finally swing the decision to creating the Owari-Class (3x3 16.1" Rifles). While not sounding too exciting this change brings about a very interesting situation. Both Yamato and Musashi required their slipways to be expanded in length. The expansions were hugely expensive and took MONTHS to finish. By building the Owari-Class BBs the Japanese clear these slipways 12-18 months faster. The net result is two modern BBs (28 Knots) join the Kaigun BEFORE Pearl Harbor and their successors (two B-65 Class BCs) are either finished or near complete at war's start
Command Cruisers
While debate rages on about the new battleship design, a new class of heavy cruiser is initiated. The proposed Tone-Class floatplane CA is discarded for a balanced, more capable cruiser. These large cruisers are better called command cruisers. The Niitaka-Class grows to over 15,000 tonnes and carries 4x3 8" guns, heavy torpedo armament, impressive secondaries, and strong floatplane complements. These fast, rugged cruisers are planned to be a six ship class. The initial two are complete at war's start, a second pair coming in late-1942, and a final pair in 1944.
The Rise of Admiral Yamamoto
As the Treaty Period ends, history takes another turn as Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku makes a greater contribution to the development of the Kaigun from 1936-1941. Yamamoto exerts a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for the war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and slightly expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war.
The Japan Naval Air Arm is changed so that everything is staked to the Zero Airframe with a specialization of the Zero into a Land-Based Interceptor as well as CV-Based Fighters. Research and production expansion is achieved by streamlining the air industry (cutting several models) while bringing forward second generation aircraft: Judy, Jill, etc… By great effort the IJNAF deploys nearly all new aircraft on December 7th.
On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.
The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.
Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!
Once war begins RA postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Four more improved Shokaku-Class CVs are ordered, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs is added. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better 2nd-class destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense fleet.
It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. Between the Storms brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, a French Squadron at Noumea, a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV, Tangier Class AV, and Cimarron Class AOs into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.
How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?
In addition to its own special modifications, Between the Storms has been made fully compatible with DaBabes and thus has more ship classes than stock, and many more of the smaller vessels comprising these classes for both sides: yard oilers, coastal minesweepers, auxiliary subchasers, patrol boats, minefield tenders, and many others designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to the development, population, capabilities, and logistical support of bases and rear and operational areas. Database elements have been modified to provide more realistic results for AAA (flak) combat, ASW combat, and certain minor, but nevertheless fun, aspects of naval combat, like land bombardment and coastal defense fire and new modifications to ATA combat. The modifications include lining-up and unifying data elements within certain fields, so that things interface more smoothly, as well as substantial changes to the data elements themselves.
Garrison requirements have been raised in China as well as India to, hopefully, better reflect the political environment of the regions.
If using the special road movement pwhexe.dat file this serves to slow movement in the CBI Theatre.
As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA, CL, and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson is sent south to protect the Philippine reinforcement TFs going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF).
Between the Storms Lite 057
ALTNAV 1922-1937
The Treaty Mod for AE has been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences to cover the time of 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. It should be noted that no changes are made to any major power from 1937-1941.
The Washington Conference
Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for naval disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. After considerable bickering and pressure being brought to bear, the Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. While maintaining the 5-5-3 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan, there are several new outcomes:
1. The Japanese then argue to keep either a Tosa or one of the Amagi Class battlecruisers. The Americans carry the day in arguing for the Lexington-Class battlecruisers being completed. They gain the Ranger and Constellation (while scrapping BB Mississippi to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods (while additionally scrapping Royal Sovereign), and Japan completes Amagi-Class Ishitaka.
2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked:
a. Two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's) are allowed to be built for further carrier experimentation. The Americans still convert USS Langley and USS Ely to seaplane carriers and they are both then transferred to the Asiatic Fleet.
b. Two BC to CV conversions are still allowed but further treaty tonnage is added for one more CVL to be built by both Japan and USA. The Americans build the USS King’s Mountain (proto-Independence Class) and the Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build IJN Ryukaku (a proto-CVL as well).
3. The Big 3 allow for more research into 'Cruiser' Submarines. The Americans build an additional Argonaut and Narwhal, the Japanese add three Mine Layers, and the French add another Surcouf.
The London Conference
Moving on to the London Conference (1930), the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). This allows for GB and USA to build two more CAs (USA: Burlington and Rome) while Japan gains one.
2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. USA adds USS Anchorage and Dallas and Japan begins building their scaled-back Mogami-Cruisers.
3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each to be built in the early-30s. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville, GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi. These hybrids are not true, useful CVs nor are they true, useful cruisers but they have a unique niche in 1941 and ALL of them can be converted into carriers later in 1942.
***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds additional Myoko-Class CAs and keeps the Mogami Class as 6” CLs.
Warship Construction AFTER the Treaty Years
Battleship Question and Decision
After abandoning the Treaty System, great discussion goes into the first new battleships to be built by Japan since the Nagato Class. The choices ends up centering on building two modern, fast conventional battlewagons as opposed to the mighty Yamato-Class. The prohibitive factors of cost and time finally swing the decision to creating the Owari-Class (3x3 16.1" Rifles). While not sounding too exciting this change brings about a very interesting situation. Both Yamato and Musashi required their slipways to be expanded in length. The expansions were hugely expensive and took MONTHS to finish. By building the Owari-Class BBs the Japanese clear these slipways 12-18 months faster. The net result is two modern BBs (28 Knots) join the Kaigun BEFORE Pearl Harbor and their successors (two B-65 Class BCs) are either finished or near complete at war's start
Command Cruisers
While debate rages on about the new battleship design, a new class of heavy cruiser is initiated. The proposed Tone-Class floatplane CA is discarded for a balanced, more capable cruiser. These large cruisers are better called command cruisers. The Niitaka-Class grows to over 15,000 tonnes and carries 4x3 8" guns, heavy torpedo armament, impressive secondaries, and strong floatplane complements. These fast, rugged cruisers are planned to be a six ship class. The initial two are complete at war's start, a second pair coming in late-1942, and a final pair in 1944.
The Rise of Admiral Yamamoto
As the Treaty Period ends, history takes another turn as Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku makes a greater contribution to the development of the Kaigun from 1936-1941. Yamamoto exerts a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for the war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and slightly expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war.
The Japan Naval Air Arm is changed so that everything is staked to the Zero Airframe with a specialization of the Zero into a Land-Based Interceptor as well as CV-Based Fighters. Research and production expansion is achieved by streamlining the air industry (cutting several models) while bringing forward second generation aircraft: Judy, Jill, etc… By great effort the IJNAF deploys nearly all new aircraft on December 7th.
On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.
The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.
Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!
Once war begins RA postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Four more improved Shokaku-Class CVs are ordered, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs is added. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better 2nd-class destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense fleet.
It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. Between the Storms brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, a French Squadron at Noumea, a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV, Tangier Class AV, and Cimarron Class AOs into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.
How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?
In addition to its own special modifications, Between the Storms has been made fully compatible with DaBabes and thus has more ship classes than stock, and many more of the smaller vessels comprising these classes for both sides: yard oilers, coastal minesweepers, auxiliary subchasers, patrol boats, minefield tenders, and many others designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to the development, population, capabilities, and logistical support of bases and rear and operational areas. Database elements have been modified to provide more realistic results for AAA (flak) combat, ASW combat, and certain minor, but nevertheless fun, aspects of naval combat, like land bombardment and coastal defense fire and new modifications to ATA combat. The modifications include lining-up and unifying data elements within certain fields, so that things interface more smoothly, as well as substantial changes to the data elements themselves.
Garrison requirements have been raised in China as well as India to, hopefully, better reflect the political environment of the regions.
If using the special road movement pwhexe.dat file this serves to slow movement in the CBI Theatre.
As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA, CL, and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson is sent south to protect the Philippine reinforcement TFs going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF).
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
I was wondering if you could bump those stacking limits up a bit on the islands...
When playing as Japan, I'd like the opportunity to have a CD unit, a max of a regiment of infantry, an AirHQ unit (for torpedoes) and enough engineer units to provide 200 Air support (a level 4 airfield). And I'd like to see you bump the supply limit up a bit too, so it's easier to maintain my aircraft.
My 2-cents is that those 6,000 limits just feel too restrictive.
When playing as Japan, I'd like the opportunity to have a CD unit, a max of a regiment of infantry, an AirHQ unit (for torpedoes) and enough engineer units to provide 200 Air support (a level 4 airfield). And I'd like to see you bump the supply limit up a bit too, so it's easier to maintain my aircraft.
My 2-cents is that those 6,000 limits just feel too restrictive.
TTFN,
Mike
Mike
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
My Posts have been few and far between as I have taken some time away from my obsession.
Michael and I are planning on a Modding session tomorrow where we'll be Posting changes to BTS: Lite. He is looking at starting a game with that Mod so we're going to move forward with some changes.
Look for multiple Posts tomorrow!
Michael and I are planning on a Modding session tomorrow where we'll be Posting changes to BTS: Lite. He is looking at starting a game with that Mod so we're going to move forward with some changes.
Look for multiple Posts tomorrow!
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ny59giants
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
I was wondering if you could bump those stacking limits up a bit on the islands...
As far as I know Mike, this issue is done by editing the pwhex file. I don't have any idea on how to do this. Only a few players outside of developers know how.
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Good luck guys.
John: did the Japanese favor CAs over CLs or the other way around?
John: did the Japanese favor CAs over CLs or the other way around?
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
I have the editor and know how to modify stacking limits. I would need a list of bases and the new sizes for them.
I agree that some locations are too restricted.
I agree that some locations are too restricted.
RE: Between the Storms Facelift
The concern I have is whether or not Brian's Mod has stacking limits. We are still on Da Babes for the work Michael and I are doing tomorrow so THAT answer is yes.
Brian: Do you have stacking limits attached to your Mod?
Bill: What islands/atolls do you think are in need of change?
Brian: Do you have stacking limits attached to your Mod?
Bill: What islands/atolls do you think are in need of change?
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The concern I have is whether or not Brian's Mod has stacking limits. We are still on Da Babes for the work Michael and I are doing tomorrow so THAT answer is yes.
Brian: Do you have stacking limits attached to your Mod?
Bill: What islands/atolls do you think are in need of change?
Stacking limits is a function of the PWHEX file you choose to use for Andrew Brown's Extended Map. See the picture below from my web page here.
You can select stacking limits or No stacking limits - by using either PWHEX file supplied for download. (as stated on the page - you must use one or the other - not both)
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Wasn't sure if you had a special map to go with the Mod or not. I assume that any map is compatible. LOVE Chemkid's maps!
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Wasn't sure if you had a special map to go with the Mod or not. I assume that any map is compatible. LOVE Chemkid's maps!
Hi John, the mod is made for the extended map - any version of Andrew Brown's extended map will be fine (some locations are different than the stock map).
SNLF Assault Brigades
One of the things Michael and I have been talking about is upgrades/changes to existing Naval Land Units.
The entire philosophy behind our Mods is to take what the had and then slightly add, twist, or modify them. Japan had limited means so changes cannot be very great. Since these are predominantly Alt-Hist Naval Mods, the only real changes we make are to the Kaigun and its various elements.
One area of need we saw was to allow the Japanese to create a stronger 'assault' unit for the opening of the war. Historically the Japanese had the SNLF units which are roughly battalion sized units. We decided to add a level up in organization and created SNLF Assault Brigade. These Brigades are composed of THREE former SNLF real life units. A small HQ addition is brought in and voila, the Japanese have an assault unit of a little over 200 AV. The unit can be broken down into three pieces (reflecting the parent SNLF units) and spread around if wanted.
Here is that we created:
The topic Michael and have been discussing is how might the Japanese modify this unit (ie. upgrade it) once it became obvious that the Japanese are now on the defensive? Currently we have no upgrade made for these valuable units and now we want to create one that would occur around January 1, 1943.
What sort of change, addition, and/or deletion might the Japanese make to reflect lessons learned by 1943 for building a better defensive unit?
The entire philosophy behind our Mods is to take what the had and then slightly add, twist, or modify them. Japan had limited means so changes cannot be very great. Since these are predominantly Alt-Hist Naval Mods, the only real changes we make are to the Kaigun and its various elements.
One area of need we saw was to allow the Japanese to create a stronger 'assault' unit for the opening of the war. Historically the Japanese had the SNLF units which are roughly battalion sized units. We decided to add a level up in organization and created SNLF Assault Brigade. These Brigades are composed of THREE former SNLF real life units. A small HQ addition is brought in and voila, the Japanese have an assault unit of a little over 200 AV. The unit can be broken down into three pieces (reflecting the parent SNLF units) and spread around if wanted.
Here is that we created:
The topic Michael and have been discussing is how might the Japanese modify this unit (ie. upgrade it) once it became obvious that the Japanese are now on the defensive? Currently we have no upgrade made for these valuable units and now we want to create one that would occur around January 1, 1943.
What sort of change, addition, and/or deletion might the Japanese make to reflect lessons learned by 1943 for building a better defensive unit?
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
ORIGINAL: Big B
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Wasn't sure if you had a special map to go with the Mod or not. I assume that any map is compatible. LOVE Chemkid's maps!
Hi John, the mod is made for the extended map - any version of Andrew Brown's extended map will be fine (some locations are different than the stock map).
OK. Does that also apply to Chemkids? I would assume so...
In using the stacking limits how could we modify the any of the numbers? Perhaps I should ask CAN we or SHOULD we??!!
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
Check with Chemkid - make sure he has map versions that are Extended Map (Andrew Brown is the only extended map I know of) - I'm sure he does have extended map versions.
As for Stacking Limits, that should only be a function of the map PWHEX file - there shouldn't be anything in the Editor to touch, and it should only affect combat results from Over-Stacking.
I would do a quick search on the affects of Stacking Limits ....but it shouldn't be anything you use the Editor to modify....
As for Stacking Limits, that should only be a function of the map PWHEX file - there shouldn't be anything in the Editor to touch, and it should only affect combat results from Over-Stacking.
I would do a quick search on the affects of Stacking Limits ....but it shouldn't be anything you use the Editor to modify....
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
ORIGINAL: Big B
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Wasn't sure if you had a special map to go with the Mod or not. I assume that any map is compatible. LOVE Chemkid's maps!
Hi John, the mod is made for the extended map - any version of Andrew Brown's extended map will be fine (some locations are different than the stock map).
OK. Does that also apply to Chemkids? I would assume so...
In using the stacking limits how could we modify the any of the numbers? Perhaps I should ask CAN we or SHOULD we??!!
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RE: Between the Storms Facelift
Here is what I've sent to 1EyedJack and Gen Patton.
Possible changes b4 we start after I talk with John and get any input from you (things to take RHS from Allied perspective):
1) Increase PP to 100 from 60
2) Add the Assault Eng devices to infantry divisions (from RHS and only going to the Type "A" ID)
3) Make some of the Ind Eng Rgt into Assault Eng (2 per non-China Corps)
4) Add the Oscar ‘d’ models with the 20mm cannon that you get in RHS in Jan ‘42 (from RHS and has same stats at the 'c' models
5) Look at the Assault ‘Bde’ Divisions to see what devices from SNLF/Nav Gds in RHS need to be added
6) Increase supplies in China for Allies
7) ?? your input and John
8) Adding in troop and cargo capacity to warships CA and below from either Big B (different Brian) or RHS values
9) Have the current Assault “Bde” Divisions upgrade to a more defensive TO&E in Jan 43
Comparing the Assault Div with RHS, the SNLF have SL of 2722 vs 6504 for whole AD. Devices that should or may be added as I looked at Nav Gds units are 35 or 47mm AT, more engineers so they can build forts on their own, maybe the most basis radar (x1), 12 and/or 14cm CD guns, upgrade one of the AAMG to medium AA guns, and remove the two small tanks. Too much??
Possible changes b4 we start after I talk with John and get any input from you (things to take RHS from Allied perspective):
1) Increase PP to 100 from 60
2) Add the Assault Eng devices to infantry divisions (from RHS and only going to the Type "A" ID)
3) Make some of the Ind Eng Rgt into Assault Eng (2 per non-China Corps)
4) Add the Oscar ‘d’ models with the 20mm cannon that you get in RHS in Jan ‘42 (from RHS and has same stats at the 'c' models
5) Look at the Assault ‘Bde’ Divisions to see what devices from SNLF/Nav Gds in RHS need to be added
6) Increase supplies in China for Allies
7) ?? your input and John
8) Adding in troop and cargo capacity to warships CA and below from either Big B (different Brian) or RHS values
9) Have the current Assault “Bde” Divisions upgrade to a more defensive TO&E in Jan 43
Comparing the Assault Div with RHS, the SNLF have SL of 2722 vs 6504 for whole AD. Devices that should or may be added as I looked at Nav Gds units are 35 or 47mm AT, more engineers so they can build forts on their own, maybe the most basis radar (x1), 12 and/or 14cm CD guns, upgrade one of the AAMG to medium AA guns, and remove the two small tanks. Too much??
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ORIGINAL: Big B
Check with Chemkid - make sure he has map versions that are Extended Map (Andrew Brown is the only extended map I know of) - I'm sure he does have extended map versions.
As for Stacking Limits, that should only be a function of the map PWHEX file - there shouldn't be anything in the Editor to touch, and it should only affect combat results from Over-Stacking.
I would do a quick search on the affects of Stacking Limits ....but it shouldn't be anything you use the Editor to modify....
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
ORIGINAL: Big B
Hi John, the mod is made for the extended map - any version of Andrew Brown's extended map will be fine (some locations are different than the stock map).
OK. Does that also apply to Chemkids? I would assume so...
In using the stacking limits how could we modify the any of the numbers? Perhaps I should ask CAN we or SHOULD we??!!
I know that it works. His maps work on my installs with Dan and others. This is good.
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Naval Guards
The other major ground unit in the Kaigun are Naval Guards. In RA and BTS these units are replaced with Atoll Defense Units. These units are based off the Infantry and Support of the original Naval Guards and have CD added from all the ships that have their secondary (5-6" guns) replaced by the 3.9" Dual-Purpose gun.
Here is the smaller version:
Here is the smaller version:
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