Rumble in the Southwest witpqs-A vs Andav-J 2011-11-29 to 2017-02-08
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RE: 1945 February 10
Home Islands east.
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RE: 1945 February 10
Air losses. They could be throwing in many second line units to wear down our carrier fighter strength, but so far so good.
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RE: 1945 February 10
Nagasaki/Sasebo. Still looking not so damaged. Today weather might have been some protection, with Extreme Overcast in evidence.
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RE: 1945 February 10
Those fires will slowly go down unless you keep stoking them. But every turn they can still do damage.
Yes, there are so few guns that a shock attack with armor will be very effective - unless you have the armor units in reserve mode to shock attack right after the retreat. Congratulations on your successful invasion.
George S. Patton Jr. would be proud of you since you held him by the nose and kicked him in the a$$!
Yes, there are so few guns that a shock attack with armor will be very effective - unless you have the armor units in reserve mode to shock attack right after the retreat. Congratulations on your successful invasion.
George S. Patton Jr. would be proud of you since you held him by the nose and kicked him in the a$$!
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
― Julia Child
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
― Julia Child
RE: 1945 February 10
Cringing while I read this...its like ptsd.[:D]
1945 February 11
1945 February 11
The Empire captured:
The Allies captured:
Batoe-eilanden is occupied by the Allies
Allied forces CAPTURE Kushiro !!!
There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:
There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Memboro
Imperial Naval Bombardments
Allied Naval Bombardments:
Allied Ships Bombarding Kushiro
Allied Ships Bombarding Kushiro
Our subs are conducting secret activities.
Our main spearhead is ready to attack again, but is lacking supply. An airlift began yesterday and is being increased. We simply have to wait.
The reduction of the last enemy stronghold on Formosa has begun.
First things first: Kushiro is ours!
More MTB attacks but these without consequences. Our aircraft again ranged as far as Hirosaki/Aomori to smite a tanker, but the cost in fighters was too high so DB and TB ranges are being reduced to 3 hexes. That will also reduce search but now we have PBY and PB4Y search operating. Two P-47D25 groups have also been flown in to fly close CAP over unloading convoys.
Most of the assault convoys will depart tonight for the Marianas where many of the ships will pick up units for the Muroran invasion. A great many ships are inbound to Kushiro in transport, amphibious, cargo, and support configuration. Mine sweepers and mine layers - the bulk of the mines will be used at Hakodate when that base is captured - and other combat vessels inbound also. The first to land will be several large fleet support type units with great amounts of naval support.
The B-29-25 groups had a hard time over Fukuoka, primarily because they did their own fighter sweeping. Allied fighters send greeting cards in thanks for their easy time later. We lost 23 of the Superfortresses. Many Armament Assembly hits were made, but the full damage tally will not be known until tomorrow.
The B-24J groups striking Kagoshima had an easier time (sweepers first!) and made a number of Resource and Light Industry hits.
China west.
The Empire captured:
The Allies captured:
Batoe-eilanden is occupied by the Allies
Allied forces CAPTURE Kushiro !!!
There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:
There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Memboro
Imperial Naval Bombardments
Allied Naval Bombardments:
Allied Ships Bombarding Kushiro
Allied Ships Bombarding Kushiro
Our subs are conducting secret activities.
Our main spearhead is ready to attack again, but is lacking supply. An airlift began yesterday and is being increased. We simply have to wait.
The reduction of the last enemy stronghold on Formosa has begun.
Our troops will rest until better supplied, the B-29 groups getting all the canned spam to drop on the enemy.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Hengchun (84,67)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3903 troops, 41 guns, 149 vehicles, Assault Value = 185
Defending force 5635 troops, 68 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 164
Allied adjusted assault: 82
Japanese adjusted defense: 166
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
339 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
124th Cavalry Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
5/14th Punjab Battalion
Defending units:
23rd Tank Regiment
66th/B Division
2nd Mortar Battalion
31st Special Base Force
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First things first: Kushiro is ours!
The combat units are setting out at once for Bihoro and Asahikawa.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 51610 troops, 722 guns, 771 vehicles, Assault Value = 1796
Defending force 9095 troops, 95 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 252
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3
Allied adjusted assault: 5788
Japanese adjusted defense: 59
Allied assault odds: 98 to 1 (fort level 3)
Allied forces CAPTURE Kushiro !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
6471 casualties reported
Squads: 195 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 91 destroyed, 111 disabled
Engineers: 27 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 87 (86 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Units destroyed 1
Allied ground losses:
594 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (3 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
2nd Arm Amphib Battalion
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
1st (Spec) Cavalry Division
4th Marine Regiment
22nd Marine Regiment
1st Arm Amphib Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
29th Marine Regiment
4th USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Pioneer Battalion
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd Pioneer Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
III Amphib Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
5th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6th Pioneer Battalion
Defending units:
7th/C Division
77th/A Division
73rd Field AA Battalion
77th JAAF AF Bn
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More MTB attacks but these without consequences. Our aircraft again ranged as far as Hirosaki/Aomori to smite a tanker, but the cost in fighters was too high so DB and TB ranges are being reduced to 3 hexes. That will also reduce search but now we have PBY and PB4Y search operating. Two P-47D25 groups have also been flown in to fly close CAP over unloading convoys.
Most of the assault convoys will depart tonight for the Marianas where many of the ships will pick up units for the Muroran invasion. A great many ships are inbound to Kushiro in transport, amphibious, cargo, and support configuration. Mine sweepers and mine layers - the bulk of the mines will be used at Hakodate when that base is captured - and other combat vessels inbound also. The first to land will be several large fleet support type units with great amounts of naval support.
Dedicated mine sweeper task forces will be on scene tonight now that the guns are silenced. Two APA are in port at Kushiro to make repairs.APA Chilton hits Type 4 Mine at Kushiro
The B-29-25 groups had a hard time over Fukuoka, primarily because they did their own fighter sweeping. Allied fighters send greeting cards in thanks for their easy time later. We lost 23 of the Superfortresses. Many Armament Assembly hits were made, but the full damage tally will not be known until tomorrow.
The B-24J groups striking Kagoshima had an easier time (sweepers first!) and made a number of Resource and Light Industry hits.
China west.
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RE: 1945 February 11
China east.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Philippines.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Home Islands west.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Home Islands east.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Kushiro. The base is in good shape as the naval bombardments missed the runways. The number of aircraft about to land from ship will totally swamp the base but I am looking forward to getting B-29 groups operating from here once that situation is resolved.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Nagasaki/Sasebo.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Fukuoka.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Kagoshima.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Air losses.
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RE: 1945 February 11
Well done and belated congratulations....
I am certain almost every member of the forums have lurked in here.
Again! I envy your organizational skills especially here near end game where the shear mass of Allied OOB must be daunting.
I feel a little inadequate and wonder if you have been messaging to my spouse ... [8D]
No insincere flattery and as a side note: Please pass along equal credit congrats to your worthy opponent. You both exemplify the aspects of this game I most appreciate.
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Two real quick questions:
1) The bomber losses in 25's and 29's have to be hurting vis a vis your previously depleted ranks. I know you indicated process- night then day raids... but the mechanics of sweeping still seem to leave a lot to chance for CINCPAC <sigh>
Moving back to night exclusively ? Satisfied with the number coming on line ? Can you sustain the bombing or will a "month off in March" have to be contemplated ?
<note again a beautiful tribute to this game's realistic complexity and resource management ; that so near the end game yet earlier choices have consequences! This is the nirvana spot of so many games no matter what genre and so many fail to achieve this good a balance>
2) No fires in Kago and Fugu ? Not dropping the incendiaries everywhere as first tactic ?
Now I recall reading your manpower vs industry details and that fires do continue to do some persistent damage as indicated earlier; even as they die out over time. I recall other older AAR to the end (name?) where the allied player was seeking to see if a firestorm was achievable.. or bomb...or invading ... I am not advocating any as a goal albeit it firestorm was historical.
I am more interested in your opinion / tactics.
Assuming this game persists with your opponent (willing) till roughly "historical" end date :
1) You could potentially invade and capture a Tokyo etc...
2) You could fire bomb or just bomb bomb the Imperial Cabinet and the Emperor into humiliating unconditional surrender...essentially nothing would be left worth defending; but that relates to above... the depth of your bomber pools... there must eventually be a time of reckoning....
3) You may in fact get "the bomb" and its consequences
Or some combo.
You always clearly indicated the desire to invade the HI...for end game purposes... but as you get nearer and nearer does anything alter your thinking?
I am certain almost every member of the forums have lurked in here.
Again! I envy your organizational skills especially here near end game where the shear mass of Allied OOB must be daunting.
I feel a little inadequate and wonder if you have been messaging to my spouse ... [8D]
No insincere flattery and as a side note: Please pass along equal credit congrats to your worthy opponent. You both exemplify the aspects of this game I most appreciate.
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Two real quick questions:
1) The bomber losses in 25's and 29's have to be hurting vis a vis your previously depleted ranks. I know you indicated process- night then day raids... but the mechanics of sweeping still seem to leave a lot to chance for CINCPAC <sigh>
Moving back to night exclusively ? Satisfied with the number coming on line ? Can you sustain the bombing or will a "month off in March" have to be contemplated ?
<note again a beautiful tribute to this game's realistic complexity and resource management ; that so near the end game yet earlier choices have consequences! This is the nirvana spot of so many games no matter what genre and so many fail to achieve this good a balance>
2) No fires in Kago and Fugu ? Not dropping the incendiaries everywhere as first tactic ?
Now I recall reading your manpower vs industry details and that fires do continue to do some persistent damage as indicated earlier; even as they die out over time. I recall other older AAR to the end (name?) where the allied player was seeking to see if a firestorm was achievable.. or bomb...or invading ... I am not advocating any as a goal albeit it firestorm was historical.
I am more interested in your opinion / tactics.
Assuming this game persists with your opponent (willing) till roughly "historical" end date :
1) You could potentially invade and capture a Tokyo etc...
2) You could fire bomb or just bomb bomb the Imperial Cabinet and the Emperor into humiliating unconditional surrender...essentially nothing would be left worth defending; but that relates to above... the depth of your bomber pools... there must eventually be a time of reckoning....
3) You may in fact get "the bomb" and its consequences
Or some combo.
You always clearly indicated the desire to invade the HI...for end game purposes... but as you get nearer and nearer does anything alter your thinking?
A People that values its privileges above it's principles will soon loose both. Dwight D Eisenhower.
RE: 1945 February 11
Mine in a different color:
ORIGINAL: Macclan5
Well done and belated congratulations....
Thanks! I think the ground work for this invasion has been the dire consequences to the IJA on the Asian mainland, which has reduced the number of troops available to cover bases like Kushiro.
I am certain almost every member of the forums have lurked in here.
Hmm... should I sell advertising? [:D]
Again! I envy your organizational skills especially here near end game where the shear mass of Allied OOB must be daunting.
I am barely keeping up with it, which is another way of saying that I am not really keeping up with it. [;)]
I feel a little inadequate and wonder if you have been messaging to my spouse ... [8D]
South of the border we have this thing called the 5th Amendment - and I ain't talking! [:D]
No insincere flattery and as a side note: Please pass along equal credit congrats to your worthy opponent. You both exemplify the aspects of this game I most appreciate.
I will. Walter is an amazing opponent. Relentless and aggressive, organized, and on and on.
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Two real quick questions:
1) The bomber losses in 25's and 29's have to be hurting vis a vis your previously depleted ranks. I know you indicated process- night then day raids... but the mechanics of sweeping still seem to leave a lot to chance for CINCPAC <sigh>
The medium bombers get chewed up. The attack variants of the medium bombers get chewed up, spit out, and stomped on. And for the attack bombers that's without suffering any ambushes or "escort failures". I'm just trying to keep them training and making well protected milk runs so I will have some to use for high priority assignments.
The B-29's are a different situation. It's true they are much more vulnerable in-game than IRL, but that might in part be due to Japan's IRL situation versus that of Japanese players in the game. The 23 lost today is about 2 weeks' production (@40 per 30-day month). I can sustain those sort of hits about once per month. In the meantime if I am reducing the resistance then we are getting ahead. I do have to be careful and it should really start to help getting the B-24's in the act.
Moving back to night exclusively ? Satisfied with the number coming on line ? Can you sustain the bombing or will a "month off in March" have to be contemplated ?
No month off. The B-29B (I think it's called, the night bomber variant) starts production @40 per month in March and a number of squadrons will arrive equipped with it. I'll keep the B-29B exclusively on night operations and the B-29-25 exclusively on day operations. The B-29-1 I will just use up on day operations, right to the last one if I can swing it. I have a number of B-29 squadrons with no aircraft and only one or two squadrons are full, so your questions are very relevant!
<note again a beautiful tribute to this game's realistic complexity and resource management ; that so near the end game yet earlier choices have consequences! This is the nirvana spot of so many games no matter what genre and so many fail to achieve this good a balance>
Here here!
2) No fires in Kago and Fugu ? Not dropping the incendiaries everywhere as first tactic ?
This turn I did not make Manpower attacks. The past two days/nights of Manpower attacks at Nagasaki/Sasebo seemed significantly less effective than I figured on, so I switched tactics. For now I will hit specific factories. Maybe night bombing will be on Manpower and day bombing on specific targets?
Now I recall reading your manpower vs industry details and that fires do continue to do some persistent damage as indicated earlier; even as they die out over time. I recall other older AAR to the end (name?) where the allied player was seeking to see if a firestorm was achievable.. or bomb...or invading ... I am not advocating any as a goal albeit it firestorm was historical.
I certainly want to try but I might have to wait for a greater mass of bombers.
I am more interested in your opinion / tactics.
Assuming this game persists with your opponent (willing) till roughly "historical" end date :
1) You could potentially invade and capture a Tokyo etc...
Certainly would like to...
2) You could fire bomb or just bomb bomb the Imperial Cabinet and the Emperor into humiliating unconditional surrender...essentially nothing would be left worth defending; but that relates to above... the depth of your bomber pools... there must eventually be a time of reckoning....
As you say.
3) You may in fact get "the bomb" and its consequences
May want to just to do it. I don't think it will be strictly needed.
Or some combo.
You always clearly indicated the desire to invade the HI...for end game purposes... but as you get nearer and nearer does anything alter your thinking?
Watching other AARs and seeing the depth of the resistance makes me look at the garrison requirements. The more combat power is taken off line for garrison duty the more difficult the remaining offensive. The Soviets would be a great help!
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RE: 1945 February 11
ORIGINAL: Macclan5
1) You could potentially invade and capture a Tokyo etc...
Dream on, you Allied dog![:D]
RE: 1945 February 11
A spy in our midst! [:D]ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Macclan5
1) You could potentially invade and capture a Tokyo etc...
Dream on, you Allied dog![:D]
I forgot to mention, I'm going to have to adopt a different approach with sweeping. Just sweep as much as possible everywhere, obviously with an eye toward local superiority for greatest effect. I need to attrite both fighter airframes (even if just during the one week window where only 12 replacements are allowed) and most of all the best pilots.
I forget the number but I recall that Tokyo has one scary garrison requirement!
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RE: 1945 February 11
Yeah, Tokyo garrison is around 1150.
Are any of the Chinese units unrestricted? They can be great help with garrison duties. IIRC 11th Group Army HQ and attached units are not permanent restricted.
Are any of the Chinese units unrestricted? They can be great help with garrison duties. IIRC 11th Group Army HQ and attached units are not permanent restricted.
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