Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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R35
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

Post by R35 »

ORIGINAL: Karaganov
Do you have a complete list of finished units for Finland?
I`ll send you a link.
I am not sure but it seems that we are missing a few units:
finnish engineers
finnish bicycles (or cavalry)
staff car
coastal artillery system (naval gun)
heavy howitzer ( eg 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1915 or 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1917)

Currently we don`t have any of those.

Also, I would rather have both bicycle infantry and horse mounted cavalry. Based on your list and my own ideas I think we should aim for something like this:

Renault FT 17 - about 20 of them were still in use (did not see combat though) until February 1940
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/TANKS1.htm
20 ItK/30 and 20 ItK/38 (BSW, Gustloff) - 30 guns delivered just days before Winter War. Another 20 delivered covertly in early days of December 1939
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS1.htm
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/20ItK30_1.jpg
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/20ItK38_2.jpg
Italian made Pavesi tractor (for the 152mm guns)
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm

staff cars:
Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

Aircraft:
Bristol Bulldog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_B ... al_history


Other heavy artillery to consider would be the following:

these three were used during the Winter War, but in very small numbers:
150 H/06 (150 mm howitzer model 1906) - 12 guns
150 H/14j (150 mm howitzer model 1914, Japanese) - 12 guns
152 H/10 (152 mm howitzer model 1910) - 8 guns used during the Winter War

These two were present in more significant numbers, but arrived after the Winter War:
155 H/15 (Canon de 155 C, mle 1915) - 24 howitzers bought from France during Winter War, but they arrived too late to see action in that war.
150 H/40 (15 cm sFH 18) - 48 howitzers bought from Germany late 1940 so not used during the Winter War

Source:
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

Post by Karaganov »

Great!
Good list. I will be happy if H.Balck will make all of these units.

But Canon de 155 C did more 5000 shots fired in Winter War
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm
But it is not fundamentally, I think that would be enough of any heavy howitzer from your list.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: Karaganov
But Canon de 155 C did more 5000 shots fired in Winter War
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm
Ah, well, if we count the shots of these 12 guns than we get into the thousands. [:D] Ok, I`ll add this gun to the list. Should be easy to make since H.Balck already made it for the French.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: R35

staff car - you should suggest something here

Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: Brazenman
Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car
If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.

I`ve edited the list above to take out what has already been done and I added the Bristol Bulldog on the aircraft list. Even though only a dozen were operational, it was there since the start of the Winter War and for a big map like Karaganov`s, diversity is important.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: R35
I`ll send you a link.

And what about us ? We want to please also have a link[&o]
Sorry, for my bad school english...
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: Kessy
ORIGINAL: R35
I`ll send you a link.

And what about us ? We want to please also have a link[&o]


Yes, it is true! I also hope to get the link!

BTW
What is the situation with new soviet units?
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: R35

ORIGINAL: Brazenman
Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car
If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.

Winter War. Finnish cars and trucks.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=115369
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: Brazenman
Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car
If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.

Captured Finnish Cars
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
http://trofmash.ru/gallery/tempo-g1200-6-seater-1936/
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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The second version of the map - Assault of the Mannerheim Line (260x210)
Link: http://my-files.ru/s36t0p
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

Post by Kompolka »

Guys, I think you need to add some Finnish units

Civil Guards (more 100,000 people)
Swedish volunteers (around 10,000 people)
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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ORIGINAL: Kompolka

Guys, I think you need to add some Finnish units

Civil Guards (more 100,000 people)
Swedish volunteers (around 10,000 people)


If you do volunteers unit, I think that it should just be volunteers, not the Swedes. Besides Swedes, in the Finnish Army had many Estonians, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Hungarians. It is wrong to allocate only Swedes.

With regard to the Civil Guards (Skyddskar or Suojeluskunta).
I totally agree with you. These guys have to be in the game.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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Winter War - horned cavalry

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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Please write clearly that it`s a joke, otherwise H.Balck will do the unit.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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The situation at the moment

1.
I continue to work with the map for the Western Front.
New the eastern border of the map - Dnipro (Shklov, Mogilev, Bykhov, Zhlobin, Rechitsa, Bragin). I think that this will be the final piece of the map. But I have very little free time right now. And I can not say when I will be able to finish map.

2.
Also we create new platform for patch 1.25.

I see that we can add the following fractions
Soviet Union
Third Reich
Japan
Finland

Questionable
Romania (lacking a pair of staff units and horse transport)
Italy (lacking a pair of staff units)
Hungary (no air units)
Slovakia (no air units)


a little about air units
This is the main problem at the moment.
I think that units of H.Balck and units of Bebro are visually incompatible with each other. But Bebro made much wider line of air units. And I think that we must leave the units of Bebro.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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Questionable
Romania (lacking a pair of staff units and horse transport)
Romania is lacking much more than that. First of all, if you add most of the released aircraft here you discredit yourself:
fb.asp?m=4061488
This is what there was in service up to Stalingrad:
fb.asp?m=4062374

Secondly, Romania does not have most of its main anti-aircraft units. It only has the light 40mm Bofors, but in reality it licensed produced the following two and these were its main guns:
1) 37mm Rheinmetall antiaircraft gun model 1939
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tun_antiae ... model_1939
Here they are at Odessa:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=79&area=31
2) Vickers/Reşiţa md. 1936/1939, cal. 75 mm - the british Vickers M.31 cal. 75 mm aa gun built under license in Romania. This should be switchable for an anti-tank role and indeed, it was the basis for the Resita 75mm md. 1943 (which we already have)
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Model_1931
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=336
http://blogistoriexiib.blogspot.ro/2014 ... ul-de.html

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/76ItK34_1.jpg
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... o&pid=4017
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... o&pid=3881

Thirdly, Romania does not currently have a unit of Bridge Engineers, even though it did have them in reality:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?lan ... article=34
With all the rivers in the area it`s an important thing to lack. We even have the transport for it

Italy (lacking a pair of staff units)
And European camouflage for a dozen of its units which currently go to Stalingrad in shorts and desert camouflage.
Hungary (no air units)

Slovakia (no air units)
I`ve been asking for these for a long time.
I think that units of H.Balck and units of Bebro are visually incompatible with each other. But Bebro made much wider line of air units. And I think that we must leave the units of Bebro.
I think so too, that`s why I offered to add entire lines of aircraft and not disparate units. I almost started work on the Soviet and British aircraft. Good thing I didn`t lose any time with that project, now that I know H.Balck would rather redo the Germans again. Coincidentally, when he redoes the European German units he also makes all the desert camouflage German units obsolete because those will no longer match the animation offsets values.

Btw, as far as the aircraft are concerned you should know that those assembled by T2_2112 have the small images at about 40% and not 50% as all the other units. Not necessarily a bad idea, but inconsistent with the rest of the in game scale.
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

Post by Brazenman »

Thank you R-35
You have done a very great deal of work.
And I'm sorry that you and H.Balck can not come to a common denominator.

As for the Romanian units, I think the more the Romanian units, the better. Romania played a very visible role, on the southern flank of the Soviet front.
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