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Hello I'm a total newbie playing grand campaign agaisnt Japan AI. I know at the start of the war the mk14 has a serious dysfunction... but man... not THAT much is it? I think 90% of my torpedo hits actually don't explode. Please remind me when that malfunction is repaired? Do i have to do something with subs after that date to make his torpedos working properly?
Is it normal I feel so frustrated? lol
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Historically the Mk14 torpedo was terrible. To see the exact dud rate for the Mk14 I think you need to look in the editor. I seem to remember it being 80%. I looked in the manual but could not find the specific rate. If you look in the manual, p130, 6.4.2.1, you should find the other pertinent information you seek.
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Do i have to do something with subs after that date to make his torpedos working properly?

No.
Is it normal I feel so frustrated? lol

Welcome to our madness![:D]
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ha ha this is horrible ... I have to wait January 43 to see the DUD rate lower and only by 20% at least at start :D ... and apparently have to use mk14 torpedoes all along the war... I was wondering where Allies true weak points were... now it's really obvious :D
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In reality this was actually a boon for the Allies, well somewhat. It helped convince the Japanese that their thinking WRT ASW as being correct. By the time the bugs were eventually worked out, the U.S. sub service was a far different entity than that with which they started the war. Once an effective sub offensive was launched it was too late for Japan. She did try to ameliorate the situation late war, but it was far too little, far too late.
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surely... will we be up to the challenge as a player, let's see!
Makes you like the Dutch more I have to say ;)
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surely... will we be up to the challenge as a player, let's see!
Makes you like the Dutch more I have to say ;)

Yeah, their subs are better early war. Also the Brits, although I don't know how many they get as I've only played Japan as yet. The U.S. 'S' boats have better torps, but the boats are not as good and the torps have a smaller punch.
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Some players get so frustrated by the Mark 14 torp that they relegate the US fleet subs to hauling supply to cut-off troops.
That may be necessary in an emergency but leaving them on that role for a year is not a great idea because ...

to "make the torpedoes more effective in 1943" there is something you must do - give the crew some experience in making attacks. It gets a lot easier to stomach the duds when you view every attack as an experience gain for the crew.
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+1
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ha ha this is horrible ... I have to wait January 43 to see the DUD rate lower and only by 20% at least at start :D ... and apparently have to use mk14 torpedoes all along the war... I was wondering where Allies true weak points were... now it's really obvious :D

Not 20%, 20 points. Starting from whatever base is in the scenario file. In stock, 80.

IMO the dud rate is a problem, but a bigger one is the ratio of attacks on escorts versus attacks on merchants. That value is in the EXE and can't be edited.
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There is a book 'Iron Men and Tin Fish' that covers the subject. If you have more interest about the USN's torpedo problems I highly ecommend it.
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ha ha this is horrible ... I have to wait January 43 to see the DUD rate lower and only by 20% at least at start :D ... and apparently have to use mk14 torpedoes all along the war... I was wondering where Allies true weak points were... now it's really obvious :D

Not 20%, 20 points. Starting from whatever base is in the scenario file. In stock, 80.

IMO the dud rate is a problem, but a bigger one is the ratio of attacks on escorts versus attacks on merchants. That value is in the EXE and can't be edited.
What does it mean 20 points in that case?
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ha ha this is horrible ... I have to wait January 43 to see the DUD rate lower and only by 20% at least at start :D ... and apparently have to use mk14 torpedoes all along the war... I was wondering where Allies true weak points were... now it's really obvious :D

Not 20%, 20 points. Starting from whatever base is in the scenario file. In stock, 80.

IMO the dud rate is a problem, but a bigger one is the ratio of attacks on escorts versus attacks on merchants. That value is in the EXE and can't be edited.
What does it mean 20 points in that case?

It still means 20.

If he wanted to be very technical, Bullwinkle would have said 2,000 basis points but then most readers would have had glazed eyes upon reading that.

If you start with 80 and then lose 20 points, you go down to 60. If you start with 80 and lose 20%, you go down to 64.

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Not 20%, 20 points. Starting from whatever base is in the scenario file. In stock, 80.

IMO the dud rate is a problem, but a bigger one is the ratio of attacks on escorts versus attacks on merchants. That value is in the EXE and can't be edited.
What does it mean 20 points in that case?

It still means 20.

If he wanted to be very technical, Bullwinkle would have said 2,000 basis points but then most readers would have had glazed eyes upon reading that.

If you start with 80 and then lose 20 points, you go down to 60. If you start with 80 and lose 20%, you go down to 64.

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This. Thanks.

A rating of 60 is still poor odds of a hit and detonation. But it's what you have to work with until autumn 1943.
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I mean, if you just say 20% without specifying 20% of what... it depends on whether you mean 20% of the value (80, which would be 16), or 20% of the total possible results (100%, which would be 20).
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I mean, if you just say 20% without specifying 20% of what... it depends on whether you mean 20% of the value (80, which would be 16), or 20% of the total possible results (100%, which would be 20).

So it's probably a good thing the manual says 20, full stop. [:'(]
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I see thanks for the replies
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