Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
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Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
In my modified Grand Campaign scenario(Scen 1) I made the a/c capacity of all US CVs(Lexingtons-Midway, with Wasp being made a Yorktown) 100, and and I did some changes to their respective airgroups:
*I made all VF airgroups 40 aircraft max and ready, VB units are 36 aircraft, and VTs are 24,which applies to the carrier airgroups at the start of the scenario, while deleting all the resize dates as I'm going to keep the size of these airgroups unchanged throughout the scenario.
*I deleted all VS and VBF squadrons while redesignating Wasps' VS-72 a VB(and I renamed her units VF-7,VB-7, and VT-7).
Problem I'm having is that Lexington and Hornet(The other CVs are okay) for some reason still have the number of aircraft their air units start with(27 for the VFs, 18 for the VBs, and 15 for the VTs, respectively), and I checked the editor to see if I forgot to modify the size of their airwings, and I didn't, so what's wrong and how do I fix it?
*I made all VF airgroups 40 aircraft max and ready, VB units are 36 aircraft, and VTs are 24,which applies to the carrier airgroups at the start of the scenario, while deleting all the resize dates as I'm going to keep the size of these airgroups unchanged throughout the scenario.
*I deleted all VS and VBF squadrons while redesignating Wasps' VS-72 a VB(and I renamed her units VF-7,VB-7, and VT-7).
Problem I'm having is that Lexington and Hornet(The other CVs are okay) for some reason still have the number of aircraft their air units start with(27 for the VFs, 18 for the VBs, and 15 for the VTs, respectively), and I checked the editor to see if I forgot to modify the size of their airwings, and I didn't, so what's wrong and how do I fix it?
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Almost impossible to say without screenshots. Take them in the editor, of the VF for one of the ships.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
How do I post screenshots from the game?
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Termy would know for sure, but I have always found that the initial allied and IJ carrier groups had some hard coded sizing that even the editor cannot deal with. I will be so happy if he is able to tell me I'm wrong.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Hm, that could certainly be the reason, what is strange though is that only Lexington and Hornets air wings are affected, the other carriers are fine, I went to my saved game to look at US CV reinforcements and checked every carrier air group and they all had the number of aircraft that I set to their respective units, 40 for VFs, 36 for VBs, and 24 for VTs.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Post a screen shot from VF-2 post edit.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
I don't know how to post screenshots.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
On the upper part of your keyboard, you should see a key labeled "PrtSc" or something like that.
Bring up the page/screen in question.
Press and hold the "Alt" and then the "PrtSc" key.
Now open a program like Paint.
Create a "new" image.
Paste.
Save as a .jpg file
Reply (not fast reply) in this thread.
Upload.
Bring up the page/screen in question.
Press and hold the "Alt" and then the "PrtSc" key.
Now open a program like Paint.
Create a "new" image.
Paste.
Save as a .jpg file
Reply (not fast reply) in this thread.
Upload.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Got it, thanks, now do you mean a screen shot of my current game?
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
The squadron in the editor. In game too may be helpful
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Hope the image shows, it's not showing in the preview:
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Did this scenario start on 7 Dec 41? This F6F isn't available until 1944
And the aircraft radar isn't available until then either.
This is what VF-2 looks like in Scen 1 at start of game:
And the aircraft radar isn't available until then either.
This is what VF-2 looks like in Scen 1 at start of game:
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
No, my current game is on May 5th '42, I decided to make a lot of late war aircraft and equipment available sooner for both the allies and Japanese, hope that's not considered cheap in any way.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
No, that's what mods are for. I sent a PM to you with my email. Send your scenario files to me.ORIGINAL: Strike Eagle
No, my current game is on May 5th '42, I decided to make a lot of late war aircraft and equipment available sooner for both the allies and Japanese, hope that's not considered cheap in any way.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Termy would know for sure, but I have always found that the initial allied and IJ carrier groups had some hard coded sizing that even the editor cannot deal with. I will be so happy if he is able to tell me I'm wrong.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Just a quick note about Mods, nothing is gamey - per say
You have an editor for a reason... do with it as you wish. You can 'fix' things that you think are 'wrong', or feel free to experiment with 'What -Ifs'
It keeps the game alive...
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You have an editor for a reason... do with it as you wish. You can 'fix' things that you think are 'wrong', or feel free to experiment with 'What -Ifs'
It keeps the game alive...
B
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
As an update to this:
Apparently, all US CV-based airgroups are hard coded to follow a certain max airgroup path even if you remove the resize parameters, and regardless of what you program for them to be. Oddly enough Independence CVL's whose airgroups that I edited, and CVL's airgroups that I added do not have this limitation.
Apparently, all US CV-based airgroups are hard coded to follow a certain max airgroup path even if you remove the resize parameters, and regardless of what you program for them to be. Oddly enough Independence CVL's whose airgroups that I edited, and CVL's airgroups that I added do not have this limitation.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
I have a work around.
In the "Resize" field in the middle, set Resize 1 to YYMM of 4112 and Sz to 40 (or whatever your max size you want).
Be sure to clear out the remaining Resizes 2 thru 5.
In the "Resize" field in the middle, set Resize 1 to YYMM of 4112 and Sz to 40 (or whatever your max size you want).
Be sure to clear out the remaining Resizes 2 thru 5.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Thanks Admiral DadMan! [&o]
What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight-it's the size of the fight in the dog.
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RE: Problem with Hornet and Lexingtons Airgroups.
Bump
Looking at the historical CV air groups in the stock scenario/ironman nasty OOB, none have any resize information indicated. Also, max size field is set to Zero.
If I understand this correctly, if the (USN) CV air groups are left alone, they will follow the hard-coded path and resize from time to time.
Three questions, if anyone knows.
1 - I am adding numerous allied CVs in my "The long, long road to Tokyo" mod and editing in new air groups for them, USN & a few RN. Does the code detect these, or do I need to manually enter the late war resizes, where applicable?
2. If the code will pick up these groups, the new carrier groups arrive with their carriers in late 1945 - 1947. By then, the only relevant air group sizes are per the Mitscher plan of 1945. If these groups are set for that, do I need to set 'Resize 1 to YYMM of 4112" at the applicable size for their 1945 style groups?
3. Does the coding apply to RN carriers' groups as well? They, also, have max size set to zero, and no resize information - and they enlarge when the deck parking upgrades kick in, so that appears to be a 'yes'.
Looking at the historical CV air groups in the stock scenario/ironman nasty OOB, none have any resize information indicated. Also, max size field is set to Zero.
If I understand this correctly, if the (USN) CV air groups are left alone, they will follow the hard-coded path and resize from time to time.
Three questions, if anyone knows.
1 - I am adding numerous allied CVs in my "The long, long road to Tokyo" mod and editing in new air groups for them, USN & a few RN. Does the code detect these, or do I need to manually enter the late war resizes, where applicable?
2. If the code will pick up these groups, the new carrier groups arrive with their carriers in late 1945 - 1947. By then, the only relevant air group sizes are per the Mitscher plan of 1945. If these groups are set for that, do I need to set 'Resize 1 to YYMM of 4112" at the applicable size for their 1945 style groups?
3. Does the coding apply to RN carriers' groups as well? They, also, have max size set to zero, and no resize information - and they enlarge when the deck parking upgrades kick in, so that appears to be a 'yes'.
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