From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
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RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Assuming that is your turn start (or close to it), I'm surprised you can't break that encirclement. The HQ stacked 6=9 and 5=6 infantry seem vulnerable... Of course, you could just end up getting more units encircled, but I think the delay in reducing the pocket is worth it.
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Without CAV corps being in the area the move to the Germans would make it to where most of his units couldnt do a full attack. One hex of German control is typically 5 MP for most Soviet units...then you still need 6 to attack. Its why CAV corps are a must as a rested CAV corps will usually start the turn with 20+ MP and if you have been successful with Guard CAV corps they can hit 60-70 Morale in 1942 and only cost 4 MP to enter German hexes.
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Of course I thought about it!ORIGINAL: mattp
Assuming that is your turn start (or close to it), I'm surprised you can't break that encirclement. The HQ stacked 6=9 and 5=6 infantry seem vulnerable... Of course, you could just end up getting more units encircled, but I think the delay in reducing the pocket is worth it.
moving the CV6 is useless
moving the CV9 requires to attack with at least CV18 (it was impossible) and being able to move on of the units in the Pocket just behind. I already moved some units in the Pocket before taking the picture and hadn't enough MP to come behind the CV9.
And don't forget that we are playing random weather... maybe next turn will be clear and I don't want to loose another 10/15 units!
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
+1ORIGINAL: chaos45
Without CAV corps being in the area the move to the Germans would make it to where most of his units couldnt do a full attack. One hex of German control is typically 5 MP for most Soviet units...then you still need 6 to attack. Its why CAV corps are a must as a rested CAV corps will usually start the turn with 20+ MP and if you have been successful with Guard CAV corps they can hit 60-70 Morale in 1942 and only cost 4 MP to enter German hexes.
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
that was a nasty first bite out of your army ... ouch [;)]
From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Turn 40, 19th march 1942
Random weather! Mud in march on the majority of the battlefield
But somme of his units are not in the mud and he pushes to the Don. He obviously wants to cross it till it is frozen (picture after my moves)
Random weather! Mud in march on the majority of the battlefield
But somme of his units are not in the mud and he pushes to the Don. He obviously wants to cross it till it is frozen (picture after my moves)
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
there will be others encirclements for sure, Beekeeper is an aggressive player.ORIGINAL: loki100
that was a nasty first bite out of your army ... ouch [;)]
But it's always difficult to choose between fighting and retreating.
I could run to the Volga and fight on the northern Oka bank but I prefer doing it in september 1942 than in May 1942
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Ahh, I hadn't noticed that the units inside had already moved. Otherwise in my exp it would have been worth making the 1:1 (or slightly greater) attack to try to break the pocket simply because of the size of the pocket. The extra turn is key in allowing dig time at the next line...
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
You're right but random weather gives me headaches!ORIGINAL: mattp
Ahh, I hadn't noticed that the units inside had already moved. Otherwise in my exp it would have been worth making the 1:1 (or slightly greater) attack to try to break the pocket simply because of the size of the pocket. The extra turn is key in allowing dig time at the next line...
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Turn 41, 26th march 1942
Snow is back, the Pocket is cleared and Beekeeper advances to the Don. Normally next turn is mud, so the river shouldn't be crossed.
And a global view of the OOB with the minor axis allies
The evolution over the last turns, Soviet army has a strong ability to recover! The encirclement cost me 4 weeks of reinforcement
Snow is back, the Pocket is cleared and Beekeeper advances to the Don. Normally next turn is mud, so the river shouldn't be crossed.
And a global view of the OOB with the minor axis allies
The evolution over the last turns, Soviet army has a strong ability to recover! The encirclement cost me 4 weeks of reinforcement
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
You will find AP is what really restricts the Soviet Army. Manpower and Armaments wont be massive issues unless you take truly massive losses. Even then if you cant form new units you wont have anything to fill up with manpower/armaments.
I pretty much burn my armaments up every turn but its not lessening my armies ability to build up my artillery divisions are filling to 90% during the 2 turns of formation and thats with building 2-3 per week.
I pretty much burn my armaments up every turn but its not lessening my armies ability to build up my artillery divisions are filling to 90% during the 2 turns of formation and thats with building 2-3 per week.
From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Turn 42, 2nd april 1942
It should be mud and it's... SNOW [:(]
Of course Beekeeper takes advantage of this situation. He crosses the Don with several Pzd
Should I stay or should I go? I bet on mud for the next turn and decide to counterattack with all units available. And my Cav corps are gathering in this area.
It should be mud and it's... SNOW [:(]
Of course Beekeeper takes advantage of this situation. He crosses the Don with several Pzd
Should I stay or should I go? I bet on mud for the next turn and decide to counterattack with all units available. And my Cav corps are gathering in this area.
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
That's one brave beekeeper putting his fate in the hands of the Slovakian Mobile Division.
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Great insights here for newer players. And random weather seems a good option.
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
It wasn't that optimistic.ORIGINAL: mattp
That's one brave beekeeper putting his fate in the hands of the Slovakian Mobile Division.
He obviously thought that he could achieve encirclement. He got 2 held results on his southern pincer that prevented the Pocket to be closed and gave enough MP and strength to my Mountain Div in the Pocket to push twice the slovakian unit.
It's his way of playing, he is always all in for attack.
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Thanks!ORIGINAL: rosseau
Great insights here for newer players. And random weather seems a good option.
Random weather is a bonus as it gives a lot of uncerntainty. My first look when opening a turn is the weather screen, except when the screen opens with a hole in my front... I know that it's clear or snow!
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
If its mud he could be in for some trouble but if thats your final moves even in mud he can probably rescue most if not all of his units. As even with the mud reductions a 1 CV unit can be moved.
From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
Turn 43, 9th april 1942
Chaos45 was right, Beekeeper reopened the Pocket despite of mud.
I attacked the Pzd with CV1, it retreated and lost 50 AFV
Chaos45 was right, Beekeeper reopened the Pocket despite of mud.
I attacked the Pzd with CV1, it retreated and lost 50 AFV
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper
he is across the major river now and it is only April so a clear turn is possible also.
He is in a good position be carefull
He is in a good position be carefull
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