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RE: A Wolf in the Sheep Fold: Scen 30 pickup (Lowpe (J) vs Jocke(A)

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You can add Lex to that list [:D]
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Plane losses:

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The screenshots show China is already a lost cause for the Allies again. 
 
My advice on how to run China for the Allies is contained in other AARs.  In particular Cribtop's AAR where last November I went into great depth how to do it.  But as usual what I said has been misinterpreted (not by Cribtop who understands the complex strategic layers) and Joc as usual just dismissed me as not knowing what I say because it would not work against a human.  Which is entirely incorrect but then his failures demonstrate how much he really understands.
 
Olorin has started off the war magnificently and there are excellent prospects that the Allies will surrender well before 1 January 1943.
 
So far this AAR has only displayed screenshots with no real discussion as to future plans.  I didn't read Olorin's AAR because I sporadically dropped in to his opponents AAR.  Not certain which AAR I should follow but it will either the Allied or Japanese, not both.
 
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Forgot to mention our house rules:

no new allied TFs in 1st turn
no strategic bombing for Allies in allied held territory in Dec '41 and China for the duration of the war.
no Jap strat bombing in China
no allied 4E bombers on naval strike below 10.000 feet
PPs for moving restricted units beyond national borders (US troops ok for Canada).
Fighter altitude restrictions:
Dec 1941- May 1942: 20,000
June 1942-Dec 1942: 25,000
1943: 30,000
1944-: 35.000


---These are cleverly worded. Hong Kong is not considered part of China.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

So far this AAR has only displayed screenshots with no real discussion as to future plans.  I didn't read Olorin's AAR because I sporadically dropped in to his opponents AAR.  Not certain which AAR I should follow but it will either the Allied or Japanese, not both.

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Patience, just laying the ground work.[:)]
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I have become fond of this page in general. Here are the major plane builds currently.

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I am a Kweiyang kind of guy especially with tanks...we will make a major push up, cutting railroads, laying the groundwork to the open plains of central China.

Meanwhile a push from Lashio will commence.

A push up to Ankang, and another supporting push up to Sian. Demonstrations in force.

No experience with stacking limits, but I guess I will learn fast. I will get some paratroopers over here and see if there are any deep bases to be had easy. I did recon Wuchow and Kukong today, deeper stuff tomorrow.

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Alaska...gold, oil, and snow. What is not to like. Lots of Blizzards here...but we won't let that stop our forward momentum. Some of those Canadian bases are below the blizzard line.

A small destroyer squadron is out and about testing naval search...didn't take him long to spot me.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

The screenshots show China is already a lost cause for the Allies again. 

My advice on how to run China for the Allies is contained in other AARs.  In particular Cribtop's AAR where last November I went into great depth how to do it.  But as usual what I said has been misinterpreted (not by Cribtop who understands the complex strategic layers) and Joc as usual just dismissed me as not knowing what I say because it would not work against a human.  Which is entirely incorrect but then his failures demonstrate how much he really understands.

Olorin has started off the war magnificently and there are excellent prospects that the Allies will surrender well before 1 January 1943.

So far this AAR has only displayed screenshots with no real discussion as to future plans.  I didn't read Olorin's AAR because I sporadically dropped in to his opponents AAR.  Not certain which AAR I should follow but it will either the Allied or Japanese, not both.

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So, how many AAR's have you made that lasted through to '45?
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Here it is guys: the endgame!

VMD-1 arrives at San Diego
VMD-2 arrives at San Diego
VMF-123 arrives at San Diego
VMF-124 arrives at San Diego
VMSB-143 arrives at San Diego
VMSB-144 arrives at San Diego
VMO-151 arrives at Eastern USA
VMF-213 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-214 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-223 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-224 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-233 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-234 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-242 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMSB-243 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMSB-244 arrives at San Diego
VP-61 arrives at Alameda
VP-62 arrives at Alameda
VS-6D14 arrives at Alameda
ZP-32 arrives at Alameda
No.118 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.132 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.133 Sqn RCAF arrives at Nelson
No.135 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.147 Sqn RCAF arrives at Vancouver
9th PS arrives at Spokane
71st OG/17th OS arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/9th BS arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/11th BS arrives at Aden
7th BG/22nd BS arrives at San Francisco
43rd BG/63rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/64th BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/65th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/69th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/70th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/71st BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/319th BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/320th BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/321st BS arrives at Eastern USA
307th BG/370th BS arrives at Spokane
307th BG/371st BS arrives at Spokane
307th BG/372nd BS arrives at Spokane
308th BG/373rd BS arrives at Boise
308th BG/374th BS arrives at Boise
308th BG/375th BS arrives at Boise
90th BG/400th BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/403rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
28th CG/404th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/405th BS arrives at Eastern USA
307th BG/35th RS arrives at Spokane
308th BG/36th RS arrives at Boise
341st BG/490th BS arrives at Aden
341st BG/491st BS arrives at Karachi
301st BG/32nd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/352nd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/353rd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/419th BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/358th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/359th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/360th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/427th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave
7th BG/9th BS Det arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/88th RS Det arrives at San Francisco
23rd FG/74th FS arrives at Aden
23rd FG/75th FS arrives at Aden
23rd FG/76th FS arrives at Aden
328th FG/326th FS arrives at San Francisco
328th FG/327th FS arrives at San Francisco
328th FG/329th FS arrives at San Francisco
329th FG/330th FS arrives at San Francisco
329th FG/331st FS arrives at San Francisco
18th FG/333rd FS arrives at Pearl Harbor
55th FG/338th FS arrives at Portland
329th FG/332nd FS arrives at San Francisco
374th TCG/6th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
13th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
22nd TS arrives at Melbourne
42nd TCS arrives at Anchorage
1st FeG/3rd FeS arrives at Aden
1st FeG/6th FeS arrives at Aden
1st FeG/13th FeS arrives at Aden
7th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco
307th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Spokane
308th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Boise
301st BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/Hq sqn arrives at Mojave
23rd FG/Hq Sqn arrives at Aden
35th PG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco
II USA Armored Corps arrives at San Luis Obispo
II USA Corps arrives at Salt Lake City
2nd Armored Division arrives at Salt Lake City
4th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
8th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
36th Infantry Division arrives at Salt Lake City
Provisional Tank Brigade arrives at Mojave
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City
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Nasty stuff.



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I am a Kweiyang kind of guy especially with tanks...we will make a major push up, cutting railroads, laying the groundwork to the open plains of central China.

Meanwhile a push from Lashio will commence.

A push up to Ankang, and another supporting push up to Sian. Demonstrations in force.

No experience with stacking limits, but I guess I will learn fast. I will get some paratroopers over here and see if there are any deep bases to be had easy. I did recon Wuchow and Kukong today, deeper stuff tomorrow.

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Regarding your Kweiyang push:
What I'd do is to postpone it until the 21st Army is ready (or whatever other Southern Army you find appropriate). Righ now you only have the 23rd at Canton with no armor support. He has some reserves around Changsha that could stop a weak offensive.

A postponement would give time to your Lashio offensive to weaken the Chinese center further.

Also, you can use the secondary roads between Pakhoi and Hong Kong to arrive at the hex directly southwest of Liuchang (sp?) completely unanounced (with a bit of luck) with all your armor.

Just my 2 cents ofc.
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I want to take Wuchow and Pakhoi pretty quickly. There will be two divisions as of tomorrow at Canton; a third at Camh Ran Bay. I plan on making a lot of noise over on the Ankang, Sian road and also at Lashio.

We will see what some really good deep recon of China yields us for tomorrow. But my gut is telling me push hard in China now to take maximum advantage of his out of position defense.

Thanks, Olorin your advice greatly appreciated! [&o]



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The SRA.

My first turn saw the Dutch subs strike at two tankers. Tankers that are heading to fill up and make the horrendously long trip to Truk and Pearl. Is that the most efficient way to get fuel to Pearl? Have to research it.

Whatever is the shortest route in terms of hexes, and whatever makes sense for your escorts.

I wouldn't be surprised if simply shipping from Japan (what people usually say is a no-no) was easiest in terms of hexes. There are obvious choke points all around Borneo and the Philippines for your tankers. Only the South China Sea offers a respite, but even that has to pass Luzon/Formosa at some point. I would consider just having some TKs shipping fuel from some ports on the east coast of Japan (Sendai or Iwaki?) as it's a shorter roundtrip for the TKs themselves. That alone saves you time in terms of getting X amount of fuel to Pearl, if not fuel overall.

Remember to set your TFs dropping things off at Pearl to Do Not Refuel, or Minimal Refuel at the very least.
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am a Kweiyang kind of guy especially with tanks...we will make a major push up, cutting railroads, laying the groundwork to the open plains of central China.

Meanwhile a push from Lashio will commence.

A push up to Ankang, and another supporting push up to Sian. Demonstrations in force.

No experience with stacking limits, but I guess I will learn fast. I will get some paratroopers over here and see if there are any deep bases to be had easy. I did recon Wuchow and Kukong today, deeper stuff tomorrow.

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Got paratroops around? I'd use them on the west side of the rail line there as you start your push up from Canton. Get some Recon up on those bases (Tuyun, Liuchow, Kweilin) and find out what's there. If any are empty, take them ASAP.
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Alaska...gold, oil, and snow. What is not to like. Lots of Blizzards here...but we won't let that stop our forward momentum. Some of those Canadian bases are below the blizzard line.

A small destroyer squadron is out and about testing naval search...didn't take him long to spot me.

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You can grab Anchorage with a division or less early on, I think. I'd do it.
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Got paratroops around? I'd use them on the west side of the rail line there as you start your push up from Canton. Get some Recon up on those bases (Tuyun, Liuchow, Kweilin) and find out what's there. If any are empty, take them ASAP.

I have two paratroop units at Singers, they are leaving today for Canton on fast ships. I have move a bunch of recon to China, and was thinking the exact same thing...a coupe de main on a railroad base would be quite the blow to the Chinese.
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You can grab Anchorage with a division or less early on, I think. I'd do it.

I have got my eye on Victoria and Coal Harbor and Alliford Bay too. Victoria has some coastal guns, mines, but I am tempted to go for it all now. Victoria is a wide strait I believe so everything will be deadlier, but features some really nice runways and port.

The question is how bad will the mines and coastal guns be? I have plenty of dms, several battleships, the kb, and I probably can probably really spread the invading troops out amongst a fair number of merchants. 9" Guns plus smaller...

This question is holding up my processing of the turn. Do I launch or not? I actually have divisions prepped for Victoria. Again, I tempted to say go for it, but will sleep on it today.

I managed to get a huge convoy of oilers into Miri without sub losses today, plus I am dispatching large supply convoys to Pearl and Aleutians, while another supply convoy unloaded at Pearl raising the supply there to 60K.

Coal Harbor is I believe 1 hex below the winter rules. Grabbing these three base should make Anchorage pretty doable as a follow on I think plus allow some really good air wars over the US and perhaps bottle up some ships.






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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You can grab Anchorage with a division or less early on, I think. I'd do it.

I have got my eye on Victoria and Coal Harbor and Alliford Bay too. Victoria has some coastal guns, mines, but I am tempted to go for it all now. Victoria is a wide strait I believe so everything will be deadlier, but features some really nice runways and port.

The question is how bad will the mines and coastal guns be? I have plenty of dms, several battleships, the kb, and I probably can probably really spread the invading troops out amongst a fair number of merchants. 9" Guns plus smaller...

This question is holding up my processing of the turn. Do I launch or not? I actually have divisions prepped for Victoria. Again, I tempted to say go for it, but will sleep on it today.

I managed to get a huge convoy of oilers into Miri without sub losses today, plus I am dispatching large supply convoys to Pearl and Aleutians, while another supply convoy unloaded at Pearl raising the supply there to 60K.

Coal Harbor is I believe 1 hex below the winter rules. Grabbing these three base should make Anchorage pretty doable as a follow on I think plus allow some really good air wars over the US and perhaps bottle up some ships.

IIRC Victoria starts with 300 mines. In stock (dunno about Scen 30) there are few or no ACMs nearby so that total should have been slowly decreasing... if he moved none there, it won't be gone yet, but it will be much diminished 75 or 100 turns in.
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Turn is done, & I decided to start with Operation Victoria. So much to do and figure out, but this should be very exciting. I need to dig up NYGiants cheat sheet for the different units, although they seem fairly straightforward.

I messed a little with plane builds as the early fighters will be critical: Tojo IIa (2 squadrons[X(]), Nick A (get my first size 36 squadron in a few scant days[:)]); Oscar II, The Zero line. The Tojo IIa will only have two full sized squadrons...but we will make do.

If I can take Victoria & Coal Harbor, then I will be able to raid the entire West Coast with the KB and take Alaska setting up a perfect storm in late November/December of 1942.

Boosted engine production slightly.

If I take Victoria then it will be a full out war over the skies there and I will need many fighters.

I pulled back some ops in the lower SRA, wary of Force Z. I am sending a fast transport squadron to take an island in the lower SRA west of Timor to get some eyes there.

Hope I didn't miss anything.[&:] Yesterday I missed two unescorted tankers, the smallest kind, and one got into a slugging match with a Dutch sub, which left on fire, while the tanker eventually sank. They were making oil runs from Sumatra to Malaya.

Boosted the number of merchants calling Fusan home, they will start shipping some resources to Honshu. Sapporo engine & plane factories are a pleasant sight for this scenario one gamer.[:)]

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Force Z and more are out here somewhere, and I bet Jocke is looking to set me back on my heels. His search is still half decent so I need to be careful. Ambon's CD guns sank an APD, and damaged a whole host of ships when the landing happened on my first turn. But I did get off 200AV. Another 120 AV is on a ships heading to Ambon, but I hope to divert them south to Timor.

Battleships are bombarding Ambon, and we are also bombing it, it the hopes that the 200 AV there will be more than enough to take out the 30AV of defenders.
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The Nick KAIa will be an important early plane for me in the coming air wars of America and Canada. I splurged and converted a size 2 Toka factory over to these bad boys. That will give me 3 size 30 factories, which will hopefully be enough to keep the three active squadrons full strength and hitting the Allies...

I am curious to see how the fighter altitude restrictions play out in life.

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