Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[MR_BURNS2]

[FIXED DB v440]

Whiskey Class subs have no passive sonar(?). I guess its a DB error. FlyingBear posted it before but couldn't find many sources.

I think the MG-10 Feniks should be passive only, like the MG-10M of the Romeo and others.

Found only one source:

https://books.google.at/books?id=l-Dzkn ... ks&f=false

[Mgellis]

[ADDED, DB v440]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Pilatus PC-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-7

MEXICO
Pilatus PC-7
Operational dates: 1979-present

Although designed as a trainer, this aircraft has 6 hardpoints and has been used in combat by Mexico. (And a bunch of other countries, too, including Chad, Iraq, and Guatemala, but I really wanted it for Mexico. I was thinking of putting together a COIN mission with Mexico taking out terrorists in Guatemala, near the border, before they can attack a Mexico-bound merchant vessel.)

Judging from pictures in http://www.demotix.com/news/1365513/cad ... /all-media, and information in http://www.doppeladler.com/oebh/luftfahrzeuge/pc7.htm, typical loadouts appear to be:

2x 12,7mm Machine Gun M3P Browning in HMP-250 Pods by FN Herstal, 250 rounds each, weight: 116kg per pod +
2x7 70mm unguided missiles in LAU-7A launchers by FN Herstal, empty weight: 26kg or 91,1 kg loaded per launcher

OR

4 x Mk 81 250-lb. bomb

From http://www.militaryaviation.eu/trainer/Pilatus/PC-7.htm, basic specifications:

Pilatus PC-7
Crew: 2
Ejection seat: Martin-Baker CH.Mk.15A.
Wing span: 10,40 m.
Wing area: 16,60 m².
Length: 9,78 m.
Height: 3,21 m.
Tail plane span: 3,40 m.
Wheelbase: 2,32 m.
Wheel track: 2,60 m.
Engine:

One Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-25A turboprop rated 485 kW.
Propeller: Hartzell HC-B3TN-2 three-blade, constant speed.
Weight:

- Empty: 1.330 Kg.

- Internal fuel: 474 liters.

- External fuel: 2 x 240 liters.

- Max. ordnance: 1.040 Kg.
Max. take off weight: 2.700 Kg.
Max. landing weight: 2.565 Kg.
Cruise speed: 412 km/h.
Max. speed: 500 km/h at 6.095 m.
Service ceiling: 10.060 m.
Range:

- range 1.200 km without drop tanks.

- ferry range 2.630 km with drop tanks.

Max. endurance 4 hours, 22 minutes.
Performance:

- max. rate of climb at sea level 655 m per minute.

- climb to 5.000 m in 9 minutes, 0 seconds.

- take-off run 780 m at max. take-off weight.

- landing run 505 m at max. landing weight.
g limits: -3 / +6.
Underwing hardpoints: 6.

Thanks for considering this one.

[ComDev]

Wonderful, thanks! These are annoying errors presented in an easy-to-implement manner and were fixed in just a matter of minutes. Much appreciated! [8D]

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

After this you will probably hate me but here you have a ton of name corrections and spell checks. Some of them might be really just nitpicking but I think there's nothing wrong with a bit of accuracy. [;)][:D]

Fixed-wing:

#2706 - P-8I Poseidon --> P-8I Neptune
#678 - C-130J Hercules C.4 --> C-130J Hercules C.5
#928 - C-130J-30 Hercules C.5 - C-130J-30 Hercules C.4
#3108 - C-130J Hercules --> C-130J-30 Hercules [CC-130J]
#3214 - C-130J Hercules --> C-130J-30 Hercules

Btw, there's no hurry for me...

Thanks!

[ComDev]

Hmmmmm the old Google Doc with db requests seems to be gone? Says the document has been removed?

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hmmmmm the old Google Doc with db requests seems to be gone? Says the document has been removed?

I think he means this document. Link works fine for me.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

I think he means this document. Link works fine for me.

Yes, it's right at the first page. I cannot post any link yet so I got trouble giving sources.

I will post issues at here soon anyway.

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Pilatus PC-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-7

MEXICO
Pilatus PC-7
Operational dates: 1979-present

...
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Thanks for considering this one.

Thanks, was a real quick add due to the high detail level. Much appreciated! [:D]

[ComDev]

Got it, thanks! Have updated some of the items [8D]

In the future, please post in this thread. Otherwise it will be impossible to keep track.

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hmmmmm the old Google Doc with db requests seems to be gone? Says the document has been removed?

I think he means this document. Link works fine for me.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

cannot post any link yet so I got trouble giving sources.

I will post issues at here soon anyway.

[SASR]

DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be re-directing my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests, etc) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

As such I'll wrap up database work the coming weeks. After that I'll only make fixes and critical additions (i.e. needed for a scenario currently under construction) to the database. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding /fixing, rather than having me working on code) then please give me a heads-up. If not then I'll finish the db, release, and dive into the Command game engine.

Thanks! [:D]


The following unit is missing the AN/SPS-49(V)7 air search radar

#2341 CG 68 Anzio [Ticonderoga Baseline 4, VLS]

It is the 2015 version of the cruiser, but I found some pictures from 2015 with the AN/SPS-49(V)7 radar still onboard


ATLANTIC OCEAN (April 2, 2015) The guided missile-cruiser USS Anzio (CG 68) transits to Scotland to participate in Joint Warrior, a United Kingdom-led semi-annual multinational cooperative training exercise. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Ryan U. Kledzik/Released)

[ComDev]

Thanks, but the CG 68 entry covers four different ships that are now in the process of receiving the CMP upgrade [:D]

[Dysta]

Sorry for the late response, I searched so many sources all night to reply.

I list those unchanged/ongoing issues from 'DB3000 issues' spreadsheet below:

(Sources are in spreadsheet as I cannot post source location yet)



2296
Type 052D Luyang III [172 Kunming] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons), Also 173 (Changsha, 2015) is in service.

Suggested solution: Change the picture for 172 to the correct one, Add 173 Changsha in database

Remark: 173 Changsha has no real photo yet, General Description is recommened (if not necessary) to include.



696
Type 052C Luyang II [170 Lanzhou] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Addons) of "173" as it have no such number on this series, also 4 new ships (numbers in spreadsheet) are in services.

Suggested solution: Remove incorrect picture (173), Add new numbers in database, please note those are installed with domestic turbine engines called QC-280.

Remark: Update General Description (optional), sources for pictures are in spreadsheet.



577 and 580
Type 041 Yuan (039C) (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons)

Suggested solution: Change the picture to the correct one

Remark: The redesigned conning tower with extrusion suggested it have limited improvement of signature (noise) reduction compare to the previous models.



660 and 2494
Type 908 Fusu [885 Qinghaihu] (China)

Issue: Incorrect max speed & fuel capacity, (DEL)cannot refuel or replenish

Suggested solution: Max speed is 16 kts, Total fuel is 9630 tons, (DEL)Add refuel and replenish properties

Additional reply: It seems I was mistaken between naval replenishment and cargo transfer for Type 908. I've searched many military websites but so far there's none mentioned about its naval replenishment capability to Chinese indigenous warships. Unmarked the issue with (DEL) ahead.



ID [Numerous]
Depth Charge Rockets

Issue: No option for launching depth charge rocket against torpedo

Suggested solution: Add Torpedo as Valid Target.

Remark: Unlike specifically designed anti-torpedo torpedo or depth charge, they're relatively unreliable (especially high speed and/or agile torpedo). Some salvo can direct with ship-based acoustic system to increase accuracy. It is optional to use it as a final resort.

Additional reply: Need time to search for more sources.

Only few does mentioned the anti-torpedo purpose with depth charge during WWII. The closest case is the Saab ASW-601's magnetic grenade salvo can also contact and detonate any attached target undersea. Yet it does not mentioned its anti-torpedo capability.

Also the alarmingly aggressive use of rocket depth charge salvo by Chinese Navy during naval drills in recent years, suggested its doctrine of anti-torpedo engagement. The theory from source also supported it. However the effectiveness is still in question, as the case of torpedo being intercepted by rocket depth charge is not yet found.

Other countries' navies however have no reported case of using rocket depth charge against torpedo, and only fire decoys instead. Except the Soviet's RBU-1000 is the first case of intended use of anti-torpedo with convential depth charge warhead, which is from 1962.

In short: Unusual, but encouraging.

[xavierv]

Update to Le Triomphant SSBN

Modernization of French Strategic Oceanic Force: Le Triomphant SSBN Now Fitted with M51 SLBM

On August 4, 2015, the French Navy (Marine Nationale) took over full responsibility and the effective command of ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) Le Triomphant (S616). This transfer of responsibility is an important milestone following the refit period started in May 2013 for maintenance, repairs, modernization and adaptation to the M51 new generation submarine launched ballistic missile (SLMB). Le Triomphant will now start some trials at sea before returning in the operational cycle.
...
Le Triomphant, head of the class commissioned in 1997, returned to the French Navy SSBN base of L'île Longue on April 14, 2015, following 20 months of work at the DCNS shipyard in Brest naval base. Work focused on the upgrade of the missile launch system. The SSBN is switching from the M45 SLBM to the new generation M51 SLBM. The submarine was also fitted with the new SYCOBS tactical combat system (a new combat management system common to Barracuda class SSN and the Le Triomphant class) and an overall more efficient navigation system (SGN-3E). Le Triomphant will also be able to deploy the F21 new generation heavyweight torpedo for self defense once procured by the French Navy. Finally, this periodic downtime was an important step for the Le Triomphant since this was her mid-life refit.

more at http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2989

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Sorry for the late response, I searched so many sources all night to reply.

I list those unchanged/ongoing issues from 'DB3000 issues' spreadsheet below:

(Sources are in spreadsheet as I cannot post source location yet)

Thanks [:D]

The text/photo errors are not my table. Need to contact the text/photo guys on that.

On depth charge use against torps... really could need more info on that. But do not think we should add that capability if it isn't really in use IRL.

[ComDev]

Added:
S 616 Le Triomphant -- France (Navy), 2018

ORIGINAL: navyrecognition

Update to Le Triomphant SSBN

Modernization of French Strategic Oceanic Force: Le Triomphant SSBN Now Fitted with M51 SLBM

On August 4, 2015, the French Navy (Marine Nationale) took over full responsibility and the effective command of ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) Le Triomphant (S616). This transfer of responsibility is an important milestone following the refit period started in May 2013 for maintenance, repairs, modernization and adaptation to the M51 new generation submarine launched ballistic missile (SLMB). Le Triomphant will now start some trials at sea before returning in the operational cycle.
...
Le Triomphant, head of the class commissioned in 1997, returned to the French Navy SSBN base of L'île Longue on April 14, 2015, following 20 months of work at the DCNS shipyard in Brest naval base. Work focused on the upgrade of the missile launch system. The SSBN is switching from the M45 SLBM to the new generation M51 SLBM. The submarine was also fitted with the new SYCOBS tactical combat system (a new combat management system common to Barracuda class SSN and the Le Triomphant class) and an overall more efficient navigation system (SGN-3E). Le Triomphant will also be able to deploy the F21 new generation heavyweight torpedo for self defense once procured by the French Navy. Finally, this periodic downtime was an important step for the Le Triomphant since this was her mid-life refit.

more at http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2989

[Rudd]

[NEED MORE DETAILS]

Regarding the Angola AAA.

The image resolution isn't the greatest, but looking at what they reportedly have, the shape, and the rough dimensions, I think most if not all AAA around the SA-2 and SA-3 sites is the 37mm M-1939(no way to know if it's the single or twin barrel)

illustration from one of "Planeman's" post

[Rudd]

[ADDED DB v440]

Low priority

LD-2000, land-based version of the Type 730 shipboard seven-barrelled 30mm close-in weapon system (CIWS).

The mission of LD2000 is to protect high-value ground assets such as nuclear facilities, TBM launching positions, long-range SAM troops and central command centers, etc.

Three different versions pictured
1. With Type 347G radar

2. With Type 347G radar and with elevating mast acquisition radar

3. Type 347G, different mast acquisition radar, and 6 TY-90 SAMs


Reported to have EO/IR and laser designator

Parade/base inspection pics(also showing round mast radar)
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Div- ... ocId541017
http://www.armyrecognition.com/airshow_ ... 11143.html
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4174.html

While intended to fulfill much the same role as the Russian Pantsyr S1 / SA-22 system, the LD-2000 is hampered by older technology acquisition and engagement radar technology in comparison with its Russian competitor. The cited use of SLC-2 / AN/TPQ-37 Block 1B Firefinder artillery locating radar indicates an intent to address this capability limitation. This radar is however optimised for the CBR role, which differs in geometry from the Counter-PGM roles.

This will limit the system's ability to acquire and track low signature targets, especially guided weapons. To date no evidence has emerged showing the integration of extant PESA air defence engagement radars such as the H-200 or SJ-231 with the LD-2000 system, both of these radars providing the power-aperture performance and beam-steering agility required to make the LD-2000 genuinely effective in killing salvoes of high angle low signature smart munitions. A single H-200 or SJ-231 supporting three, four or six LD-2000 fire units makes for a formidable point defence capability.

Current acquisition radar technology does not preclude further development of this system as China's industry eventually masters PESA and AESA antenna technology. A mature LD-2000 variant has the potential to be a very effective terminal defence weapon against supersonic and subsonic guided weapons.

This could be already implemented. This sat image may show LD-2000s at a HQ-9 site at 40.352183°, 116.682721°

[Schr75]

[UPDATED DB v440]

Hi

I have been playing NF2: X-Ray station, and one of my subs got detected at quite some distance and below the layer by a Sovremennyy class DDG.

In the DB3000 v.439 it is equipped with hull sonar, VDS and a TASS.

IRL it´s only equipped with a hull sonar.

http://milit.ru/956.htm

http://warfare.be/db/catid/269/linkid/1743/

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/956.htm

http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/shippictu ... mennyy.htm

If you could correct this, it would be great.

Søren

[SASR]

[UPDATED DB v440]

F/A-18s getting new defensive EW. F/A-18C/D getting AN/ALQ-214(V)5, F/A-18E/F getting AN/ALQ-214(V)4. No word on the growlers yet.

From : http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ign=buffer

"Electronic warfare (EW) experts at the Exelis Inc. in Clifton, N.J., will provide the U.S. Navy with 46 sophisticated EW systems designed to protect Navy combat aircraft from incoming radar-guided missiles. Officials of the Naval Air Systems Command at Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Md., have announced a $97.3 million contract to Exelis to build 46 full-rate production lot XII AN/ALQ-214(V)4/5 integrated defensive electronic countermeasures airborne jammer systems for the Navy's F/A-18C/D and F/A-18E/F Hornet and Super Hornet carrier-based strike fighters."

From : http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2 ... 3idecm.pdf

"IB-4 (currently in development) is intended to replace the onboard receiver/jammer (ALQ-214(V)3) with a lightweight, repackaged onboard jammer (ALQ-214(V)4 and ALQ-214(V)5). "

From : http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Exeli ... 14.28V.295

"AN/ALQ-214(V)4

Version for the US Navy tailored to the F/A-18E/F Hornet.

AN/ALQ-214(V)5

Version for the US Navy tailored to the F/A-18C/D Hornet and will replace the AN/ALQ-162."

Retrofits have already been contracted

From : https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... e&_cview=0

"Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) to retrofit the existing AN/ALQ-214(V)4 and AN/ALQ-214(V)5 in Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) AF/A-18F and AEA-18F aircraft, and in U.S. Navy (USN) Lot 38 F/A-18E aircraft"

[Hongjian]

[UPDATED DB v440]

2296
Type 052D Luyang III [172 Kunming] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons), Also 173 (Changsha, 2015) is in service.

Suggested solution: Change the picture for 172 to the correct one, Add 173 Changsha in database

Remark: 173 Changsha has no real photo yet, General Description is recommened (if not necessary) to include.

Today, the first photo of the Changsha with pennant-number 173 (indicating commissioning) was posted:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/attach ... -jpg.17074

So, the rumors and the Jane's reports were true, after all.

I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Thanks!

[Dysta]

I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Didn't find out actually, but could you elaborate what kind of ECM system are they using? Name, range and abilities.