ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14
AndyG1: About Vettel vs Hamilton: "He'll (Vettel) have a long way to go to do what Hamilton did in his win tallies."...I assume you are ignoring stats and are focused on the quality of the teams? When Hamilton was with McLaren (teamed with Alonso) he had a car that was capable of winning. Why would Vettel have to go down the path of winning in a bad car just to prove something? Statistically Vettel is the better driver, especially in the ultimate stat: 4-2 in championships.
Absolutely ignoring stats. I've been watching F1 since 1976, and totally understand that if you get in the best car your chances of winning Championships increases massively. So what you NEED to look at is those drivers getting race wins in not so good cars or even drivers in the same team and supposedly the same car.
Now Cartel did have the best car in the 4 seasons he won Championships. The press always told me he was better than Senna and Schumy etc etc, at which point I laughed my head off when he got blown away by Ricciardo in the same car in 2014. Ricciardo took tOOK THE 'MICK' out of him all season long, that pass at Monza when he went outside, braked slightly, swapped sides and outbraked him on the inside - wow! Made Vettel look ordinary - at which point Vettel wasn't in the best of moods and always looked miffed.
Do you dislike Rosberg or Vettel or any driver because they look miffed at being beaten? Because they all do. They thin they are the best so they'rd not going to be jumping for joy when they lose.
Point is, not in the best car he got destroyed by a driver who nearly didn't get the seat.
Now look at the likes of Senna, Hamilton, Alonso, Mansell - a lot more WINS when not in the best car. That is the real stat.
Now in 2015 Vettel is showing he can do it when not in the best car. That is what I'm waiting to see in the long term.
On another note, I can vouch for dual citizenship. Born and raised in UK, left in2007, Aussie citizen in 2015. 2 passports, and I'm rooting for England in the cricket right now. Just because you move somewhere else it doesn't mean you lose your identity - I'm British, end of!