xAK vs AK
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- Zigurat666
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xAK vs AK
What is the "functional" difference between xAP and xAK vessels versus AP and AK? I know the AP and AK are classified as military but does it make a difference in functionality?
RE: xAK vs AK
The Amphib unload rates are twice as high for AK/AP vs the xAK/xAP 600/phase vs 300/phase, they are listed in the manual under 6.3.3.3.2.1 OVER THE BEACH. Unload at ports is also faster (300 vs 125). Not sure if it impacts anything else.
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RE: xAK vs AK
Ships with the x in front of the ship type are intended for docking at commercial docks. AKs, APs, etc. are militarized with landing craft and can operate both between existing ports and conduct amphibious operations. xAKs and xAPs unload amphibiously very slowly and should only be used for amphibious in an emergency (or during the Japanese unload bonus at the beginning of the game). AKs and APs are more flexible. They can be used as regular transports/freighters, but they unload quicker in amphib TFs.
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RE: xAK vs AK
AKA & APA are even better, since they are optimized for amphibious warfare. [8D]
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RE: xAK vs AK
ORIGINAL: wdolson
Ships with the x in front of the ship type are intended for docking at commercial docks. AKs, APs, etc. are militarized with landing craft and can operate both between existing ports and conduct amphibious operations. xAKs and xAPs unload amphibiously very slowly and should only be used for amphibious in an emergency (or during the Japanese unload bonus at the beginning of the game). AKs and APs are more flexible. They can be used as regular transports/freighters, but they unload quicker in amphib TFs.
Bill
Not JUST emergencies Bill, but anytime you will be unloading at a backwater location with no threat and plenty of time to get the job done.
There simply aren't enough of the military transports to go around nor do I want to risk them in any but the most important operations.
Pretty much anytime I am shipping cargo or troops to a level 1 backwater port I will use civilian shipping in amphibious mode.
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RE: xAK vs AK
I forget, will xAP and xAKs unload heavy equipment in an amphibious assault? Will they do so it there are assault ships mixed into the TF?
For the Allies the most valuable ship after 1942 is the LST. Once these come on in numbers (along with the LCI), the Allied player can build up and maintain airfields on zero port base hexes with ease. Once I have enough of these, the too valuable AKA and APAs are held back solely for major operations.
For the Allies the most valuable ship after 1942 is the LST. Once these come on in numbers (along with the LCI), the Allied player can build up and maintain airfields on zero port base hexes with ease. Once I have enough of these, the too valuable AKA and APAs are held back solely for major operations.
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RE: xAK vs AK
Heavy equipment will load into these ships for amphibious assault, but they will likely be the last things unloaded.
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RE: xAK vs AK
Typically the xAK/xAP won't unload heavy equipment (radars, tractors, etc) unless it can dock at the base. If it can't dock, it won't unload them or may take an excruciatingly long time to do so w/ naval support at the base.
RE: xAK vs AK
ORIGINAL: wdolson
Heavy equipment will load into these ships for amphibious assault, but they will likely be the last things unloaded.
Bill
Or not at all [:@]
I made the mistake of taking one of Japan's few naval Gun units to a likely target of the Allies. I actually had to build the stupid port up to a lv 3 (from a 1(1)) to get the damn thing to unload [:@] Even in Amph mode the guns would not unload. Of couse the Allies bypassed the place so the whole thing was a total waste [:@]
RE: xAK vs AK
And that would have never happened in real life.
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RE: xAK vs AK
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ORIGINAL: wdolson
Heavy equipment will load into these ships for amphibious assault, but they will likely be the last things unloaded.
Bill
Or not at all [:@]
I made the mistake of taking one of Japan's few naval Gun units to a likely target of the Allies. I actually had to build the stupid port up to a lv 3 (from a 1(1)) to get the damn thing to unload [:@] Even in Amph mode the guns would not unload. Of couse the Allies bypassed the place so the whole thing was a total waste [:@]
I am surprised you couldn't load it into small, <6000 tons xAKLs
RE: xAK vs AK
I did load it into a ship that could actually dock at a lv 1 port. Damn thing still would not unload. [:@]
Of course, it may have been unloading very, very slowly and I just did not wait long enough. But I seem to recall that there was an indicator on the ship itself saying it could not unload its cargo even when I did that. I also never bothered to check in the Editor either (too lazy [:)])
But once the port was lv 3, it unloaded just fine [:)]
Of course, it may have been unloading very, very slowly and I just did not wait long enough. But I seem to recall that there was an indicator on the ship itself saying it could not unload its cargo even when I did that. I also never bothered to check in the Editor either (too lazy [:)])
But once the port was lv 3, it unloaded just fine [:)]
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RE: xAK vs AK
I thought that as long as a ship can dock-undock, all carried cargo was capable of unloading.
RE: xAK vs AK
ORIGINAL: Numdydar
I did load it into a ship that could actually dock at a lv 1 port. Damn thing still would not unload. [:@]
Of course, it may have been unloading very, very slowly and I just did not wait long enough. But I seem to recall that there was an indicator on the ship itself saying it could not unload its cargo even when I did that. I also never bothered to check in the Editor either (too lazy [:)])
But once the port was lv 3, it unloaded just fine [:)]
Did you have naval support in the hex? Sometimes even a little bit can make a difference.
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RE: xAK vs AK
No Nav Sup as I was not planning on keeping it [:(] I was hoping to give the Allies a 'little' surprise if they invaded. [;)]
I guess I could have brought some in, unloaded it, then removed them, but never thought of it or decided that expanding the port was easier (and less risky) at that time.
I guess I could have brought some in, unloaded it, then removed them, but never thought of it or decided that expanding the port was easier (and less risky) at that time.
RE: xAK vs AK
Going back to the original distinction between AK and xAK (military vs commercial), where do AMC ships fit? Are they considered commissioned/military ships for the onload rate (equivalent to AP or AK), or are they treated as merchants (xAK or xAP)?
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RE: xAK vs AK
I guess I could have brought some in, unloaded it, then removed them, but never thought of it or decided that expanding the port was easier (and less risky) at that time.
If possible you could fly some in and then remove them. Mavis and Emily can transport things a long way.
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RE: xAK vs AK
where do AMC ships fit?
I've read here they are akin to AK's.
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RE: xAK vs AK
I've been a victim of this too [:(]ORIGINAL: Numdydar
I did load it into a ship that could actually dock at a lv 1 port. Damn thing still would not unload. [:@]
Of course, it may have been unloading very, very slowly and I just did not wait long enough. But I seem to recall that there was an indicator on the ship itself saying it could not unload its cargo even when I did that. I also never bothered to check in the Editor either (too lazy [:)])
But once the port was lv 3, it unloaded just fine [:)]