Halt!

[ernieschwitz]

Due to recent actions, taken to abuse the system I developed for GD 1938, to avoid players having to cope with RAM problems, I have decided not to develope GD 1938 for a periode of time.

The abuse that is occuring is the frequent usage of "Phoney wars" to gain minor nations. Since there is no way to prevent these, that I currently can think of, the only consequence I can take is to conclude that the game is broken, and unfixable, at least for now, and thus deserves no more of my attention.

It was a good time while it lasted, alas, it is no more. Unless I am convinced otherwise.

Ernieschwitz

PS: The RAM problems came from having potentially 55 regimes controlled by the AI, on a HUGE map. Since I cannot make the map smaller, nor make fewer regimes than the actual amount of nations, the game is broken.

[ironduke1955]

Sorry to hear it after you have put so much work into the mod, never the less perhaps a fix may materialize in the future. In the mean time I would like to thank you and Bomber for your efforts on GD1938 my favorite ATG mod.

[Bombur]

I talked to ernie earlier (but after his post) and he was somewhat stressed and frustrated with the dificulty we are having to fix this exploit. I made some remarks on the following topics.
1-GD9138 is not broken, this exploit used by some players is not dissimilar to what leaders do in real life.
2-Even if we "fix" this "bug" we will never be able to prevent completely the use of such gamey tactics Players will always find other exploits
3-I always suggested a very simple way to minimize this exploit: a house rule forbidding a player to be at war with himself if he controls more than one country
I´m not sure if this house rule is being followed. This would help a lot.
4-On the other hand, I told ernie that he should stop trying to please everyone. I think the game engine is already mature and the games works very well, at least the version we have in the community site (the last one has a bug but it is being fixed). It has troubles? Of course, but how many simulations of WWII at a global level are better than this one????
5-So I suggested ernie to stop the development of the mod engine, while I still can do smaller changes, like adding new units, tweaking the combat mechanisms and so on.
6-I did so because I think too much time is being invested in a scenario that already is working very well, and any further changes in the diplomatic engine will add complexity without any benefit in terms of gameplay. Ernie´s huge talents with the editor can be used to better effects in new projects.

In other words, GD1938 won´t be abandoned, we will still support the mod, but players should take the game engine "as it is", because there wom´t be major changes for a while.

[ironduke1955]

Amazing the exploits you could arrange players cannot give other players Political Points, but they can give them HQ's if it has been allowed so just transfer a 100 HQ's to your ally and he has 300 PP additional PP's what a devious bunch we humans are.

[danlongman]

Thanks guys for everything you have done so far.

[Khanti]

They say that all's fair in love and business.
Players just follow "great leaders" guidelines: cheat and grab more for yourself.
Essential copy of politics of S., H., Ch., R. and other gangsters.
Cheer up, there's another day!

[ironduke1955]

"1-GD9138 is not broken, this exploit used by some players is not dissimilar to what leaders do in real life."

I agree with this sentiment it may require more than one card for diplomacy per turn, or rather when a minor power reaches the magic 800 a event is triggered, after all diplomacy was not limited to one nation a month,
but that event may go against the nation that triggers the event, in other words if Hungary is pro-German the takeover of that country is not guaranteed, giving two events a reset of influence.
so the nation remains neutral but the influence of the nation triggering the event is reduced to zero, also a possibility that the minor nation becomes a satellite of the second placed nation.
after all not all coups succeed sometimes counter insurgency can win, so if you do force the issue by exceeding 800 influence you may not get the result you want.
There is now a option to place a very large army on the border of a nation that you wish to take over,
and certainly in that case things should remain unchanged after all a army on your border is a excellent argument. And in deed if you have the magic 800 influence and a army on the border that should be a bonus for ensuring that you obtain the right outcome.


What we need is more diplomacy not less, diplomacy is messy and very rarely ever turns out as you expected. And of course the nightmare of coding all of the above,
is something that I would not even know how to approach.

And something that occurs to me regards Minor Powers, obtaining a minor power via diplomatic or military means is not that big a event it will not win you the game and often causes more problems than it solves, one of those being you will be annoying other players who will not be happy with your expansion.

[falco148]

Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't get it. Now we're all supposed to suddenly stop playing GD38 on the say-so of one individual?

I totally agree with the premise that a major country should not be able to declare war on itself just to easily gobble up a minor country. However if one major
country has political influence over a certain minor country but decides to not to intervene on the minor country's behalf because of a prior agreement with another
major power, I have no problem with that. This kind of thing has happened time and again in history, so its not like its totally implausible or anything. In fact
its just what happens in real life.

I agree with Irondude in that sometimes it feels good for the major power concerned to quickly overpower a minor. However it can easily annoy and frustrate others
who are unhappy with the expansion and in time this can work against the instigator. Again just like in real life.

I think some sort of arrangement should be worked out where major powers can transfer political points but it takes some time, ie. one month or maybe two.

Anyway just my 2 cents worth.

[ironduke1955]

LOL that is not what Ernie said he simply said he will not be working on the mod any more because he can't fix that one issue.

The problem is simple.

X=Germany Y=Italy

A neutral friendly to Y is attacked by X. War now exists between X and Y, X and Y make peace. Rinse and repeat with other minor powers, this is a exploit and not Ernie's intention house rules are not working, so he is throwing in the towel on the mod.

I like the ideas I put forward, but I am not doing the coding so its easy for me to throw idea's out there but Ernie has to code them, and if he has had enough of the complaints section for the mod, and doesn't want to suffer the slings and arrows anymore than that is his choice.

Beside have a care Ernie and Alexandre are not paid for the thousands of hours they put into these mods, so with that in mind it doesn't hurt to tread lightly with request and complaints, no one has paid for their hard work so no one has a right to berate them if some aspect of the MOD is not to their satisfaction, in other words if someone wishes to give them earache because something doesn't work in the mod to their satisfaction, then pay them[:D]

[ernieschwitz]

Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't get it. Now we're all supposed to suddenly stop playing GD38 on the say-so of one individual?

You can do whatever you want. Nobody is forcing your hand to do anything. I am just stating that I am not doing something. Which by the way is my right. I am not a slave, nor have I made any permanent agreement, to do anything. Play all you want.

Oh and I am just the individual who happens to be the creator of the game you are playing. So don´t belittle me by seeming me to be less than I am.

[falco148]

For some reason this wouldn't post so I'm trying again.

[falco148]

Beside have a care Ernie and Alexandre are not paid for the thousands of hours they put into these mods, so with that in mind it doesn't hurt to tread lightly with request and complaints, no one has paid for their hard work so no one has a right to berate them if some aspect of the MOD is not to their satisfaction, in other words if someone wishes to give them earache because something doesn't work in the mod to their satisfaction, then pay them

Show me once where I've berated their fine work or complained about this neutral country issue. The game appeared to be working perfectly fine to me.

I am not a slave, nor have I made any permanent agreement

Jesus, where did I suggest even once that you were?

So don´t belittle me by seeming me to be less than I am.

I didn't belittle you. Read my post again.

[ironduke1955]

"Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't get it. Now we're all supposed to suddenly stop playing GD38 on the say-so of one individual?"

Well the above statement is incorrect not offensive in itself, the reference to one individual and large ego's a comment seen on the AAR, could be construed as offensive. I just said have a care ignore me if you want to, but we are not making progress down this road, and I would rather see things go forward than collapse into entropy.

[falco148]

Again, I havnt been amongst those doing all the complaining. As I have said before, this very good scenario is working perfectly fine to me.

[ironduke1955]

Never said you had, but keep in mind that the mod guys are likely strung out over complaints they have received (I get it not from you, never for a moment thought they were), and likely to say take this non paying job and shove it.
As we have just witnessed.

Also note that you are not guiltless regards the exploit that is causing the complaints, I am giving you a pass on them but several other players are not. Personally I agree with Bomber that major powers would manipulate minors between them if they were allies, all the more reason why diplomacy should be more prolific, so that western allies can convert some of the pro Axis minors to pro Allied nations, blocking Axis take overs.

[baloo7777]

ernieshwitz, Bombur, ... I am very sorry to have abused the GD38 Mods house rules. I would rather you continued on what I consider a very fine, and hugely fun mod of what has become my personal favorite game. I've been playing this mod less than a year, and found myself feeling rather overmatched in the ability to attack and defend well. My goal was to use Diplomacy to advantage, along with PP's and cards to try and gain a jump on my more experienced opponents. I also thought that as long as I was doing so with a country I already had a destructive war with, I was merely trying to point them away from my interests.
Again, these are all just excuses. I hope you will reconsider and continue to work on this excellent mod.

[lion_of_judah]

I haven't played this mod in a long time, but I do think this was one of the best mods out there and I'm hoping Ernie will change his mind. He is one of the reasons why this game is so outstanding in my opinion. Both him and bombur that is

[Jeffrey H.]

Charge both regimes 100 PP, (more ?) to make peace after automatic DOW and that would just about kill the bug.

[falco148]

Also note that you are not guiltless regards the exploit that is causing the complaints, I am giving you a pass on them but several other players are not.

Fair enough but your hardly guiltless over the complaints issue, Re: your post on the 6/24....

This was achieved by the expenditure of influence and Political Points with no recourse to phony declarations of war,

Anyway I'm not going to waste any more of my time commenting on this. Its really a non-issue. The people that have been bitching and griping over this have obviously
got nothing better to do with their time. This issue ('phony' DOW) could easily be worked out before the scenario is started by some common agreement, especially if new
players are involved.

[ironduke1955]

Simple solution is to remove the house rule on the exploit !!! in future games as the MOD's designers and builders are themselves split on how to play this.

Regards my comments on the Bulgaria DOW it was made on the forum in the open I made no complaints to Claus or Alexandre. You were on my side if I remember rightly, and I was aware that their would be a S**t Storm coming someone's way, so that was preemptive not a complaint but a mea culpa to my side the Axis. A solution was found, done and dusted.

So a vote on the DOW house rule needs to be added if a new game of GD1938 is started.

As I have said before Czechoslovakia Austria fell bloodlessly in 1938 one of these the Czech's were not pro Axis so I have no problem with the manipulation of minor powers by two majors, its what happened historically anyway. If the allies don't want Yugoslavia or Rumania to become Axis how about throwing some PP in there to gain influence.