GD 1938 - the Future or maybe just a direction

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RE: GD 1938 - the Future or maybe just a direction

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Sounds like someone made a boo-boo, in programming...

Looks around, hoping to put blame on someone else.
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RE: GD 1938 - the Future or maybe just a direction

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Don´t worry, I can fix it, but ongoing games are probably lost. Since territory taken by initimidation will turn into other countries property, when drift has set them to do that...

So I am sorry for your game, and others, I will fix it, in the next version. Bombur has the edit rights, at the moment for the file, but when he is done, I will do it.
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RE: GD 1938 - the Future or maybe just a direction

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I've found out that the same unit can be seen as different picture by different regimes.
So, in fact Germany can have their own Tank Destroyer III or IV (with the same stats as default).
Lots of work, but one can dream ;)

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PS: What about increasing number of staff points for more advanced staff SFTs? Now it looks like Staff I and Staff II have the same general abilities, only combat is better. But staff is not combat unit.
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Ok, Hanti, you´re half right on planes. Yours is a He-111, but it is the He-111H, not the He-111E. Look at the glass nose. Anyway, thank you for your contributions. I´ve sent a selection of your graphics to ernie and they will be incorporated to next version, I hope.
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I noticed Hanti remarks in the community forum. He is right we made some units generic and other custom. It won´t be possible to create custom units for all countries, unless we start to made fantasy units. This happens because most countries lacked some specific units. For instance, USSR never had naval fighters. Italy didn´t have dive bombers and so on. I think I can add more custom units as soon I get edit rights back, and if ernie agrees.
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"It won´t be possible to create custom units for all countries" but "the same unit can be seen as different picture by different regimes".

So some units can be "custom" only graphically. Some can't be at all (as Bombur mentioned).
Anyway there can be lots of other custom units (my example was German tank destroyers).

[;)] This is my "custom picture" of Tiger I (contemporary made)

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Maybe I also could create fantasy units.....and also mix historic with generic units....
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ORIGINAL: Bombur

Maybe I also could create fantasy units.....and also mix historic with generic units....

I don't know yet. All generic units are fantasy anyway (Italian Heavy Tank IV, French Dive Bomber IV). I would go that way: first units that were existed and can be customized (fully or graphically) then the rest.

Hint: Halftrack vs Heavy Truck. Truck weights more, use more supply, carry the same, costs the same, is more fragile and does not shoot. Who needs Heavy Truck then?

Question: Don't you think it's too easy to sink ships with airpower (divebombers/torpedobombers)? Is it useless to build ships?

I used 8-10 divebombers squadron (experienced of 50+) to kill virtually all ships around.
Maybe ships should get "kill-becomes-retreat" value?

Question: Why should I use SPAA I (cost 1500, supply 8, hp 400, fuel 1/2/1) if I can use halftrack plus 20mm flak (cost 1000+500=1500, supply 8+5=13, hp 500+150=650, fuel 1/2/1)?

Both aa cannons have the same firepower but halftrack adds its own and it can carry a few those guns.

This is "custom" picture for Italy: Battleship Roma.

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The biggest thing would be achievable victory conditions for all the players. Some have goals that are not IMHO achievable.
Also give victory conditions that don't REQUIRE one nation to fight another specific nation to achieve any one of their goals (...).

As I have noticed USA has one of its victory conditions set as "carte blanche" - achieve XX number of victory points (in fact: conquer number of random important cities).
Maybe these conditions could be added to every nation (such "wild card").
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The structure of the current victory conditions were chosen very carefully. Giving every nation a "carte blanche" would be destabilize the behavioral pattern that the victory conditions create. Say Germany and the Soviet Union both had a "Carte Blanche" option, choosing basically whatever conditions they would want to win, they would no longer need to go to war. That would then (play testing showed before the victory conditions were implemented) lead to the Soviet Union and Germany basically being best friends, each game.

EDIT: Which was something we found simply too far fetched from history.
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WADR Ernie, the current 'state of play' is essentially bypassing the intentions of the automatic DOW mechanic. Not the same as what Hanti mentioned but still something that gets away from the designers intent - IMHO.

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ORIGINAL: Bombur

Maybe I also could create fantasy units.....and also mix historic with generic units....

I don't know yet. All generic units are fantasy anyway (Italian Heavy Tank IV, French Dive Bomber IV). I would go that way: first units that were existed and can be customized (fully or graphically) then the rest.

Hint: Halftrack vs Heavy Truck. Truck weights more, use more supply, carry the same, costs the same, is more fragile and does not shoot. Who needs Heavy Truck then?

Question: Don't you think it's too easy to sink ships with airpower (divebombers/torpedobombers)? Is it useless to build ships?

I used 8-10 divebombers squadron (experienced of 50+) to kill virtually all ships around.
Maybe ships should get "kill-becomes-retreat" value?

Question: Why should I use SPAA I (cost 1500, supply 8, hp 400, fuel 1/2/1) if I can use halftrack plus 20mm flak (cost 1000+500=1500, supply 8+5=13, hp 500+150=650, fuel 1/2/1)?

Both aa cannons have the same firepower but halftrack adds its own and it can carry a few those guns.

This is "custom" picture for Italy: Battleship Roma.

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Aren't trucks "rear area" units ?

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Why doesn't occupation tech work on China? It works on Korea but not Chinese cities for Japan
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It was a change made to fascilitate that conquering majors was less attractive, compared to conquering minors. In other words, major countries home people will struggle more against your attempts to make them work for you than minors.
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Hint: Halftrack vs Heavy Truck. Truck weights more, use more supply, carry the same, costs the same, is more fragile and does not shoot. Who needs Heavy Truck then?

Question: Why should I use SPAA I (cost 1500, supply 8, hp 400, fuel 1/2/1) if I can use halftrack plus 20mm flak (cost 1000+500=1500, supply 8+5=13, hp 500+150=650, fuel 1/2/1)?

Both aa cannons have the same firepower but halftrack adds its own and it can carry a few those guns.

This is "custom" picture for Italy: Battleship Roma.

Aren't trucks "rear area" units ?


They both are "rear area" units. Heavy Truck needs more fuel (3/3/3 vs. 1/2/1), is wheeled insted of tracked, does not have recon points and has less hp.
So who needs Heavy Truck then?

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PS: What is strange is that in turn when US gets possibility to declare war, there is no info about it. I just see the standard isolationists info disappeared.
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Hanti, I will work in your suggestions ASAP, I also need to know what will be ernie´s decision on future development of GD1938
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ORIGINAL: Hanti

They both are "rear area" units. Heavy Truck needs more fuel (3/3/3 vs. 1/2/1), is wheeled insted of tracked, does not have recon points and has less hp.
So who needs Heavy Truck then?

Maybe they are cheaper to produce ?

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No. As for now, just build halftracks and don't use points on heavy trucks ;)

This is "custom" picture for French Battleship-I ships (class Bretagne). Instead of "generic" Gangut picture.

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PS: I just wonder why NIGHT versions of things have 0/0 attack points vs. land units.
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Night bombers are intended for strategic bombing only. This could be changed in the future.
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