THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J)

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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The movement of a few corps to India would not aversely affect the situation in defending China. The biggest problem in China is the lack of supply. With several corps removed, there will be more to go around to the others and they will be able to recover disabled squads and fight better. That's the way I see it anyway. Would like to see others chime in on their experience with this move.


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Darnit!

I have been so conscious of the fact that China has a substantial supply problem. But, it didn't even occur to me that moving out a few Chinese troops would leave more supply for those remaining behind.

I should have already had those boys marching to India. I will immediately commence heading them out on the 12th.

Thanx for the good advice.

Regards,

-Terry

Also, make sure you turn off replacements for all units, turn off any repairs for industry, and turn off replacements for air units as well. Don't build too many forts with your bases. Only in very critical spots. Don't expand airfields. Try to get as much supply in before the Burma road closes (an extra 500 a day supply while the path from Rangoon to Paoshan and Kunming is open).

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Thanx!

I will implement all your advice next turn.

Regards,

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[center]A Question for The War College[/center]

Chinese troops are marching toward India.

Is it best to buy them out under The Red Chinese Army Command?

Regards,

-Terry

P.S. Turn 7, December 7, 1941 has been sent back to El Lobo.
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If you have to spend PP find an unrestricted HQ to put them under, like the New Chinese Army Corps NCAC. Doesn't matter if the HQ is not on the map yet.
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If you have to spend PP find an unrestricted HQ to put them under, like the New Chinese Army Corps NCAC. Doesn't matter if the HQ is not on the map yet.

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Jump in here War College Members!

We are playing WITPAE Scenario 2.

The Restricted units that can be bought out and the Unrestricted units are as follows:

[center]CHINESE UNITS Marching TO India[/center]

Restricted Units That Can Be Bought Out

11th Group Army (R)

36th Chinese Division
88th Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
200th Chinese Division
22nd New Chinese Division
2nd Reserve Division

Central Reserve {R}

28th New Chinese Division
38th New Chinese Division
39th New Chinese Division

1st Group Army {R}

49th Chinese Division
93rd Chinese Division
55th Provisional Chinese Division

The Corps'

3rd New Chinese Corps (3rd War Area {R})
7th New Chinese Corps (5th War Area {R})
5th New Chinese Corps (15th Group Army {R})
8th New Chinese Corps (24th Group Army {R})

Unrestricted Units

15th Chinese BF (Red Chinese Army)
AVG Ground Echelon ENG (China Air Task Force-In Burma)

China Command

2nd War Area HQy
3rd War Area HQy
4th War Area HQy
5th War Area HQy
6th War Area HQy
7th War Area HQy
8th War Area HQy
9th War Area HQy
Central Reserve HQy
Jingoba War Area HQy
Lusu War Area HQy
Red Chinese Army Hqy

Do you think it best to buy out these Chinese units under the the Red Chinese Army?

Do you think I should send all the War Area Headquarters Units to India (I don't think I should send all of them)?

The IJA may take Burma and close off the northern mountain route before I can get all these troops into India.

Marching these units to India is going to take a heap of Chinese supply.

If I get these troops into India, I am going to need some U.S. BFs support.

See how I spend my time making all my lists!?!?!? *laughing*

Thanx to all of you for your anticipated comments, suggestions, and advice.

-Terry
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I should have mentioned that the main reason to put units under NCAC is that they can subsequently be moved by ship to return to China, or a point close to a route to China. The Burma road is not the only route there. Mergui-Bangkok comes to mind.

I am not clear if you have any House Rule about crossing borders before being bought out. If you do, chances are you would not be able to buy out all the units you want before the Japanese cut the Burma road, but some of them should be able to get out. The others can try to fight their way out or be flown out by transport aircraft. You only need a few squads from each unit to rebuild them. Note that the division sized units can be combined into Corps, so saving cadres from each division in the same corps is desirable. Some of the Chinese Corps can grow to assault values in the 8-900 range.

I do not recall any HQs that can be bought out so I am unclear on your list of HQs further down. You do not need HQs with the units marched out - they will be training and filling out for at least six months before they are really useful. They will serve under other Allied HQs without being assigned to them.
As for BFs, they do not need much support for training, and most of India is free from malaria so they do not need the support squads to recover from that. Send them someplace that produces supply, like Madras or Bombay. They can garrison while other units are freed up to go face the Japanese.

Also consider that if he conquers China completely the Red Chinese HQ will be wiped out. If NCAC has not arrived yet, it will show up in India or Aden.

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NCAC is always the command I use for buy-outs from China.
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I should have mentioned that the main reason to put units under NCAC is that they can subsequently be moved by ship to return to China, or a point close to a route to China. The Burma road is not the only route there. Mergui-Bangkok comes to mind.

I am not clear if you have any House Rule about crossing borders before being bought out. If you do, chances are you would not be able to buy out all the units you want before the Japanese cut the Burma road, but some of them should be able to get out. The others can try to fight their way out or be flown out by transport aircraft. You only need a few squads from each unit to rebuild them. Note that the division sized units can be combined into Corps, so saving cadres from each division in the same corps is desirable. Some of the Chinese Corps can grow to assault values in the 8-900 range.

I do not recall any HQs that can be bought out so I am unclear on your list of HQs further down. You do not need HQs with the units marched out - they will be training and filling out for at least six months before they are really useful. They will serve under other Allied HQs without being assigned to them.
As for BFs, they do not need much support for training, and most of India is free from malaria so they do not need the support squads to recover from that. Send them someplace that produces supply, like Madras or Bombay. They can garrison while other units are freed up to go face the Japanese.

Also consider that if he conquers China completely the Red Chinese HQ will be wiped out. If NCAC has not arrived yet, it will show up in India or Aden.


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El Lobo and I only have one House Rule and that is to play the game to the end (i.e., No Victory Point win). Accordingly, we don't have a House Rule requiring troops to be bought out before crossing borders.

The Chinese troops listed previously under "Unrestricted" don't have any restrictions. Accordingly, they don't need to be bought out. Most of the unrestricted units are Headquarter units.

Good to know NCAC will show up in Aden or Abadan.

Thanx, BBfanboy.

Regards,

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

NCAC is always the command I use for buy-outs from China.

Hans-

Welcome to The War College. Glad to have you as a Cabinet Member. I have seen you around and learned lots from your posts in other AARs. Thanx for that!

NCAC it is!

I hope I can wiggle around El Lobo's IJA to get all those Chinese troops out. It will be tough as I am fairly confident that El Lobo wants all of China and will commit substantial assets to take all of China.

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[center]Combat Report[/center]

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[center]December 13, 1941[/center]

I sat on the back porch with a scotch on the rocks in hand enjoying the stunning midnight view of Pearl Harbor and listening to "That Old Black Magic." A warm, calming breeze massaged my buzz cut. It was a peaceful night as my fiance was sound asleep in our bedroom. I waited for the phone call, knowing soon my serene mood would be shattered, just as it had been every night shortly after midnight since December 7, 1941.

The phone rang!

I answered, "Admiral Bravo."

And this is what I heard:

Praboemoelih falls!

Ground combat at Praboemoelih (48,92)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 682 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Defending force 876 troops, 13 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Japanese adjusted assault: 38

Allied adjusted defense: 2

Japanese assault odds: 19 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Praboemoelih !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
578 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (10 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Regiment

Defending units:
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Palembang Base Force

Zamboanga falls!

Ground combat at Zamboanga (75,89)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2402 troops, 19 guns, 143 vehicles, Assault Value = 139

Defending force 652 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 33

Japanese adjusted assault: 23

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Zamboanga !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
326 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
8th Tank Regiment
Sasebo 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
4th/101st PA Battalion
4th PI Base Force


Kweiteh falls!

Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11369 troops, 102 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 393

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 190

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 190 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kweiteh !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
32nd Division

Morning Air Attack by Japanese Carriers Near Tambelan:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Tambelan-eilanden at 53,90

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
139WH-3 x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Japanese Continue To Pound China From The Air!

I asked, "Did we lose any ships?"

He responded, "Not a one, Sir."

I stated, "I can sleep on that."

I hung up the phone. I stared down at the row of Battleships, eventually focusing on the U.S.S. Arizona. Of a sudden a thought came to mind and a grin curled up my lips, "Perhaps in a couple weeks when the Warspite and Colorado have finished refitting in Seattle and the Saratoga joins the Enterprise and Lexington, an early bombardment of Marcus Island might shut up that pesky Tokyo Rose for a few days.

I poured another scotch on the rocks and jotted down, "Present Early Bombardment of Marcus Island to The War College."

The fiance hollered from the bedroom, "Get to bed Rio! You promised you would mow the lawn tomorrow."

I hollered back, "Yes, Dear."
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Except for the loss of many fine men, the loss of Praboemoelih is not significant - no one can pronounce the name anyway! [:'(]
Yes Dear!

What's this! I thought you weren't married yet, only living in sin! Its enough to spoil the taste of the forbidden fruit! [:D]
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Except for the loss of many fine men, the loss of Praboemoelih is not significant - no one can pronounce the name anyway! [:'(]
Yes Dear!

What's this! I thought you weren't married yet, only living in sin! Its enough to spoil the taste of the forbidden fruit! [:D]

She heard that!

*chuckling*

Duck!
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[center]Combat Report[/center]

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[center]December 14, 1941[/center]

Greedy Japanese Make Another Amphibious Assault:

Amphibious Assault at 81,76

TF 123 troops unloading over beach at 81,76

Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

70mm T92 Howitzer lost overboard during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 56th Recon Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt /2
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt /3

Australians Hold Near Johore Bahru:

Ground combat at 50,82 (near Johore Bahru)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2075 troops, 4 guns, 203 vehicles, Assault Value = 125

Defending force 2185 troops, 29 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Japanese adjusted assault: 75

Allied adjusted defense: 47

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
258 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
48th Recon Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
22nd Australian Brigade
30 Battery/3 HAA

81st Chinese Corps Holds Near Paotow:

Ground combat at 91,33 (near Paotow)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1422 troops, 20 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Defending force 4508 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 165

Japanese adjusted assault: 16

Allied adjusted defense: 123

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 7

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Cavalry Brigade

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

The Evil Empire Continues to Pound China From The Air!

The good news, we didn't lose any Allied Ships for the second straight day.
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[center]Combat Report[/center]

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[center]December 15, 1941[/center]

The Combat Report advises that December 15, 1941 was a rather uneventful day. The Japanese didn't launch any new invasions, didn't sink any Allied ships, nor capture any new bases. The only item of any significance is the constant heavy aerial bombing in China.

[center][/b]Defensive Strategy[/center]

I have been spending considerable time reviewing the different Theaters of Battle, thinking about a defensive strategy for each, and taking notes to jot down ideas. I hope to organize and consolidate these thoughts soon. Upon completion of these plans, I will present the same to The War College for analysis and comment.

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[center]Combat Report[/center]

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[center]December 16, 1941[/center]

Japanese Sub Cripples Allied xAKL Near Lihue:

Sub attack near Lihue at 179,106

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
xAKL Manini, Shell hits 26, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Manini is sighted by SS I-168
SS I-168 attacking on the surface
SS I-168 low on gun ammo, Chiyoshima D. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

Japanese Sub Hits Allied AD Near Portland Roads:

Submarine attack near Portland Roads at 93,131

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
AD Black Hawk, Torpedo hits 1

AD Black Hawk is sighted by SS I-10
SS I-10 launches 2 torpedoes

Japanese Invade Singkep:

Amphibious Assault at Singkep (49,87)

TF 97 troops unloading over beach at Singkep, 49,87

10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /4

Japanese Invade Surigao:

Amphibious Assault at Surigao (81,88)

TF 128 troops unloading over beach at Surigao, 81,88

Japanese Attack Near Kaoping:

Ground combat at 88,41 (near Kaoping)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28159 troops, 281 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 942

Defending force 7200 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 201

Japanese adjusted assault: 555

Allied adjusted defense: 79

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
638 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3335 casualties reported
Squads: 118 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 22 (14 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
37th Division
41st Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
7th Group Army

Japanese Attack Near Paotow:

Ground combat at 91,33 (near Paotow)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3294 troops, 20 guns, 338 vehicles, Assault Value = 199

Defending force 4477 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 162

Japanese adjusted assault: 68

Allied adjusted defense: 41

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
808 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 100 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Cavalry Brigade
10th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

Anyang Shows 83 Japanese Units! Is that possible...Likely?

Best Regards,

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Yes, the IJA can amass 83 units on a rail line, especially if you have no house rules about needing to use PP on restricted units before they cross national boundaries. Japan has to keep 8000 AV in Manchukuo to prevent the chance of Russian activation, and there is quite a bit more than that there. They can also move the artillery from Manchukuo since it has no AV. If the IJA puts together an artillery Death Star, there is little the Chinese can do to stop it. Their best chance is to take to mountain terrain where there is some natural fortification.
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Yes, the IJA can amass 83 units on a rail line, especially if you have no house rules about needing to use PP on restricted units before they cross national boundaries. Japan has to keep 8000 AV in Manchukuo to prevent the chance of Russian activation, and there is quite a bit more than that there. They can also move the artillery from Manchukuo since it has no AV. If the IJA puts together an artillery Death Star, there is little the Chinese can do to stop it. Their best chance is to take to mountain terrain where there is some natural fortification.


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Yes, I pretty much figured long ago that El Lobo will want all of China and that, though I can only hope to slow him down a tad, eventually the Japanese will own all of China (that is, until I take it back, along with all of Manchukuo and Korea).

83 units only reenforces my belief that EL Lobo wants all of China and wants to take it all as quickly as he can.

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[center]Combat Report[/center]

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[center]December 17, 1941[/center]

I hung up the phone and gazed out over an empty Pearl Harbor. I thought about the Combat Report I had just been apprised of; not a good day, unless of course, one is Japanese.

Japanese War Ships Cripple Allied Sub Near Tambelan-Eilanden:

ASW attack near Tambelan-eilanden at 53,90

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Hibiki
DD Akatsuki
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
SS KVII, hits 5, heavy damage

Japanese Sub Cripples Allied xAKL Near Coal Harbor:

Submarine attack near Coal Harbour at 204,50

Japanese Ships
SS I-3

Allied Ships
xAKL Mauna Ala, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Mauna Ala is sighted by SS I-3
SS I-3 attacking on the surface
SS I-3 low on gun ammo, Akashiba P. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

The Evil Empire Captures Suriago:

Ground combat at Surigao (81,88)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 596 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 8

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Surigao !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: op mode(-)

Assaulting units:
I./33rd Inf Regt

The Evil Empire Captures Singkep:

Ground combat at Singkep (49,87)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3507 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 122

Defending force 442 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Japanese adjusted assault: 115

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 115 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Singkep !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
605 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
55th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Riouw KNIL Battalion

China Is In Big Trouble

Ground Combat Near Kaifeng:

Ground combat at 88,43 (near Kaifeng)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 47387 troops, 414 guns, 180 vehicles, Assault Value = 1658

Defending force 4251 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 146

Japanese adjusted assault: 1551

Allied adjusted defense: 11

Japanese assault odds: 141 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
322 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1302 casualties reported
Squads: 132 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 45 (16 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Division
14th Division
36th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Garrison Unit
15th RGC Temp. Division

Defending units:
98th Chinese Corps

Ground Combat Near Paotow:

Ground combat at 91,33 (near Paotow)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3270 troops, 20 guns, 338 vehicles, Assault Value = 310

Defending force 3830 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 79

Japanese adjusted assault: 139

Allied adjusted defense: 27

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1848 casualties reported
Squads: 49 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 16 (11 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
5th Armored Car Co
4th Cavalry Brigade
1st Cavalry Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

Japanese Bomb Kaifeng, Sinyang, Changsha, Kukong, Lang Son, and Pingsiang!

Japanese Ground Units Sighted:

2 Hexes NE of Paotow (3 units)
1 Hex NW of Paotow (6 units)

Chengting (5 untis)
1 Hex W of Chenting (4 untis)
2 Hexes W of Chenting (3 untis)

1 Hex NW of Kaoping (9 units; 43,680 troops, 268 guns, and 91 AFVs)
Kaoping (1 unit)

1 Hex W of Anyang (6 units; 69,800 troops, 416 guns, and 193 AFVs)

Kaifeng (8 units)
Ichang (4 units)
Sinyang (4 untis)

Question for The War College

Taking into consideration sightings of Japanese ground units and the Japanese bombing campaign targets within China, I think the Evil Empire is making a major thrust toward Sian.

Analysis and comment will be appreciated.

Best Regards,

-Terry
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Lingayen falls:

Ground combat at Lingayen (79,75)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13489 troops, 131 guns, 83 vehicles, Assault Value = 425

Defending force 4929 troops, 127 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 150

Japanese adjusted assault: 329

Allied adjusted defense: 29

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lingayen !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
461 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
852 casualties reported
Squads: 146 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 102 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 70 (66 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
II./124th Infantry Battalion
Sasebo 1st SNLF
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
65th Brigade
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
56th Const Co
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Engineer Construction Battalion

Defending units:
11th PA Infantry Division
21st PA Infantry Division
86th PS Coastal Artillery Battalion

Cabanatuan falls:

Ground combat at Cabanatuan (80,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16604 troops, 153 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 589

Defending force 2551 troops, 57 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 111

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 378

Allied adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 42 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Cabanatuan !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
B-10B: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1971 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 68 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (32 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Assaulting units:
113th Infantry Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion
91st PA Infantry Division

No allied ships lost today!

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Your assessment of an assault on Sian is likely correct. Getting to Chungking via the roads north of Sian is a favourite IJA route these days. Blocking in favourable terrain is the only way to delay him significantly. Develop defence in depth, so you can rotate out heavily disrupted units and bring in rested ones without giving up a hex.
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Your assessment of an assault on Sian is likely correct. Getting to Chungking via the roads north of Sian is a favourite IJA route these days. Blocking in favourable terrain is the only way to delay him significantly. Develop defence in depth, so you can rotate out heavily disrupted units and bring in rested ones without giving up a hex.


I have already blocked the roads in rough terrain for the northern route and have additional Chinese troops heading toward the northern route road.

I will heed your advice regarding rotating troops.

I can only hope to delay as long as possible, thereby keeping his troops tied up in China as long as possible.

Regrds,

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