The movement of a few corps to India would not aversely affect the situation in defending China. The biggest problem in China is the lack of supply. With several corps removed, there will be more to go around to the others and they will be able to recover disabled squads and fight better. That's the way I see it anyway. Would like to see others chime in on their experience with this move.
BBfanboy-
Darnit!
I have been so conscious of the fact that China has a substantial supply problem. But, it didn't even occur to me that moving out a few Chinese troops would leave more supply for those remaining behind.
I should have already had those boys marching to India. I will immediately commence heading them out on the 12th.
Thanx for the good advice.
Regards,
-Terry
Also, make sure you turn off replacements for all units, turn off any repairs for industry, and turn off replacements for air units as well. Don't build too many forts with your bases. Only in very critical spots. Don't expand airfields. Try to get as much supply in before the Burma road closes (an extra 500 a day supply while the path from Rangoon to Paoshan and Kunming is open).
Obvert-
Thanx!
I will implement all your advice next turn.
Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
If you have to spend PP find an unrestricted HQ to put them under, like the New Chinese Army Corps NCAC. Doesn't matter if the HQ is not on the map yet.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
If you have to spend PP find an unrestricted HQ to put them under, like the New Chinese Army Corps NCAC. Doesn't matter if the HQ is not on the map yet.
All War College Members-
Jump in here War College Members!
We are playing WITPAE Scenario 2.
The Restricted units that can be bought out and the Unrestricted units are as follows:
[center]CHINESE UNITS Marching TO India[/center]
Restricted Units That Can Be Bought Out
11th Group Army (R)
36th Chinese Division
88th Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
200th Chinese Division
22nd New Chinese Division
2nd Reserve Division
Central Reserve {R}
28th New Chinese Division
38th New Chinese Division
39th New Chinese Division
1st Group Army {R}
49th Chinese Division
93rd Chinese Division
55th Provisional Chinese Division
The Corps'
3rd New Chinese Corps (3rd War Area {R})
7th New Chinese Corps (5th War Area {R})
5th New Chinese Corps (15th Group Army {R})
8th New Chinese Corps (24th Group Army {R})
Unrestricted Units
15th Chinese BF (Red Chinese Army)
AVG Ground Echelon ENG (China Air Task Force-In Burma)
China Command
2nd War Area HQy
3rd War Area HQy
4th War Area HQy
5th War Area HQy
6th War Area HQy
7th War Area HQy
8th War Area HQy
9th War Area HQy
Central Reserve HQy
Jingoba War Area HQy
Lusu War Area HQy
Red Chinese Army Hqy
Do you think it best to buy out these Chinese units under the the Red Chinese Army?
Do you think I should send all the War Area Headquarters Units to India (I don't think I should send all of them)?
The IJA may take Burma and close off the northern mountain route before I can get all these troops into India.
Marching these units to India is going to take a heap of Chinese supply.
If I get these troops into India, I am going to need some U.S. BFs support.
See how I spend my time making all my lists!?!?!? *laughing*
Thanx to all of you for your anticipated comments, suggestions, and advice.
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
I should have mentioned that the main reason to put units under NCAC is that they can subsequently be moved by ship to return to China, or a point close to a route to China. The Burma road is not the only route there. Mergui-Bangkok comes to mind.
I am not clear if you have any House Rule about crossing borders before being bought out. If you do, chances are you would not be able to buy out all the units you want before the Japanese cut the Burma road, but some of them should be able to get out. The others can try to fight their way out or be flown out by transport aircraft. You only need a few squads from each unit to rebuild them. Note that the division sized units can be combined into Corps, so saving cadres from each division in the same corps is desirable. Some of the Chinese Corps can grow to assault values in the 8-900 range.
I do not recall any HQs that can be bought out so I am unclear on your list of HQs further down. You do not need HQs with the units marched out - they will be training and filling out for at least six months before they are really useful. They will serve under other Allied HQs without being assigned to them.
As for BFs, they do not need much support for training, and most of India is free from malaria so they do not need the support squads to recover from that. Send them someplace that produces supply, like Madras or Bombay. They can garrison while other units are freed up to go face the Japanese.
Also consider that if he conquers China completely the Red Chinese HQ will be wiped out. If NCAC has not arrived yet, it will show up in India or Aden.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
I should have mentioned that the main reason to put units under NCAC is that they can subsequently be moved by ship to return to China, or a point close to a route to China. The Burma road is not the only route there. Mergui-Bangkok comes to mind.
I am not clear if you have any House Rule about crossing borders before being bought out. If you do, chances are you would not be able to buy out all the units you want before the Japanese cut the Burma road, but some of them should be able to get out. The others can try to fight their way out or be flown out by transport aircraft. You only need a few squads from each unit to rebuild them. Note that the division sized units can be combined into Corps, so saving cadres from each division in the same corps is desirable. Some of the Chinese Corps can grow to assault values in the 8-900 range.
I do not recall any HQs that can be bought out so I am unclear on your list of HQs further down. You do not need HQs with the units marched out - they will be training and filling out for at least six months before they are really useful. They will serve under other Allied HQs without being assigned to them.
As for BFs, they do not need much support for training, and most of India is free from malaria so they do not need the support squads to recover from that. Send them someplace that produces supply, like Madras or Bombay. They can garrison while other units are freed up to go face the Japanese.
Also consider that if he conquers China completely the Red Chinese HQ will be wiped out. If NCAC has not arrived yet, it will show up in India or Aden.
BBfanboy-
El Lobo and I only have one House Rule and that is to play the game to the end (i.e., No Victory Point win). Accordingly, we don't have a House Rule requiring troops to be bought out before crossing borders.
The Chinese troops listed previously under "Unrestricted" don't have any restrictions. Accordingly, they don't need to be bought out. Most of the unrestricted units are Headquarter units.
Good to know NCAC will show up in Aden or Abadan.
Thanx, BBfanboy.
Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
NCAC is always the command I use for buy-outs from China.
Hans-
Welcome to The War College. Glad to have you as a Cabinet Member. I have seen you around and learned lots from your posts in other AARs. Thanx for that!
NCAC it is!
I hope I can wiggle around El Lobo's IJA to get all those Chinese troops out. It will be tough as I am fairly confident that El Lobo wants all of China and will commit substantial assets to take all of China.
Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
I sat on the back porch with a scotch on the rocks in hand enjoying the stunning midnight view of Pearl Harbor and listening to "That Old Black Magic." A warm, calming breeze massaged my buzz cut. It was a peaceful night as my fiance was sound asleep in our bedroom. I waited for the phone call, knowing soon my serene mood would be shattered, just as it had been every night shortly after midnight since December 7, 1941.
The phone rang!
I answered, "Admiral Bravo."
And this is what I heard:
Praboemoelih falls!
Ground combat at Praboemoelih (48,92)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 682 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 56
Defending force 876 troops, 13 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 8
Assaulting units:
8th Tank Regiment
Sasebo 2nd SNLF
Defending units:
4th/101st PA Battalion
4th PI Base Force
Kweiteh falls!
Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 11369 troops, 102 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 393
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 190
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 190 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kweiteh !!!
Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)
Assaulting units:
32nd Division
Morning Air Attack by Japanese Carriers Near Tambelan:
Morning Air attack on TF, near Tambelan-eilanden at 53,90
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Allied aircraft
139WH-3 x 4
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
CAP engaged:
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Japanese Continue To Pound China From The Air!
I asked, "Did we lose any ships?"
He responded, "Not a one, Sir."
I stated, "I can sleep on that."
I hung up the phone. I stared down at the row of Battleships, eventually focusing on the U.S.S. Arizona. Of a sudden a thought came to mind and a grin curled up my lips, "Perhaps in a couple weeks when the Warspite and Colorado have finished refitting in Seattle and the Saratoga joins the Enterprise and Lexington, an early bombardment of Marcus Island might shut up that pesky Tokyo Rose for a few days.
I poured another scotch on the rocks and jotted down, "Present Early Bombardment of Marcus Island to The War College."
The fiance hollered from the bedroom, "Get to bed Rio! You promised you would mow the lawn tomorrow."
I hollered back, "Yes, Dear."
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
70mm T92 Howitzer lost overboard during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 56th Recon Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 148th Infantry Rgt /3
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt /2
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 113th Infantry Rgt /3
Australians Hold Near Johore Bahru:
Ground combat at 50,82 (near Johore Bahru)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 2075 troops, 4 guns, 203 vehicles, Assault Value = 125
Defending force 2185 troops, 29 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 54
The Combat Report advises that December 15, 1941 was a rather uneventful day. The Japanese didn't launch any new invasions, didn't sink any Allied ships, nor capture any new bases. The only item of any significance is the constant heavy aerial bombing in China.
[center][/b]Defensive Strategy[/center]
I have been spending considerable time reviewing the different Theaters of Battle, thinking about a defensive strategy for each, and taking notes to jot down ideas. I hope to organize and consolidate these thoughts soon. Upon completion of these plans, I will present the same to The War College for analysis and comment.
Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
Allied Ships
xAKL Manini, Shell hits 26, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Manini is sighted by SS I-168
SS I-168 attacking on the surface
SS I-168 low on gun ammo, Chiyoshima D. breaks off surface engagement and submerges
Japanese Sub Hits Allied AD Near Portland Roads:
Submarine attack near Portland Roads at 93,131
Japanese Ships
SS I-10
Allied Ships
AD Black Hawk, Torpedo hits 1
AD Black Hawk is sighted by SS I-10
SS I-10 launches 2 torpedoes
Japanese Invade Singkep:
Amphibious Assault at Singkep (49,87)
TF 97 troops unloading over beach at Singkep, 49,87
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /4
Japanese Invade Surigao:
Amphibious Assault at Surigao (81,88)
TF 128 troops unloading over beach at Surigao, 81,88
Japanese Attack Near Kaoping:
Ground combat at 88,41 (near Kaoping)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 28159 troops, 281 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 942
Defending force 7200 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 201
Yes, the IJA can amass 83 units on a rail line, especially if you have no house rules about needing to use PP on restricted units before they cross national boundaries. Japan has to keep 8000 AV in Manchukuo to prevent the chance of Russian activation, and there is quite a bit more than that there. They can also move the artillery from Manchukuo since it has no AV. If the IJA puts together an artillery Death Star, there is little the Chinese can do to stop it. Their best chance is to take to mountain terrain where there is some natural fortification.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
Yes, the IJA can amass 83 units on a rail line, especially if you have no house rules about needing to use PP on restricted units before they cross national boundaries. Japan has to keep 8000 AV in Manchukuo to prevent the chance of Russian activation, and there is quite a bit more than that there. They can also move the artillery from Manchukuo since it has no AV. If the IJA puts together an artillery Death Star, there is little the Chinese can do to stop it. Their best chance is to take to mountain terrain where there is some natural fortification.
BBfanboy-
Yes, I pretty much figured long ago that El Lobo will want all of China and that, though I can only hope to slow him down a tad, eventually the Japanese will own all of China (that is, until I take it back, along with all of Manchukuo and Korea).
83 units only reenforces my belief that EL Lobo wants all of China and wants to take it all as quickly as he can.
Best Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
I hung up the phone and gazed out over an empty Pearl Harbor. I thought about the Combat Report I had just been apprised of; not a good day, unless of course, one is Japanese.
Japanese War Ships Cripple Allied Sub Near Tambelan-Eilanden:
ASW attack near Tambelan-eilanden at 53,90
Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Hibiki
DD Akatsuki
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS KVII, hits 5, heavy damage
Japanese Sub Cripples Allied xAKL Near Coal Harbor:
Submarine attack near Coal Harbour at 204,50
Japanese Ships
SS I-3
Allied Ships
xAKL Mauna Ala, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Mauna Ala is sighted by SS I-3
SS I-3 attacking on the surface
SS I-3 low on gun ammo, Akashiba P. breaks off surface engagement and submerges
The Evil Empire Captures Suriago:
Ground combat at Surigao (81,88)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 596 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 8
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Surigao !!!
Combat modifiers
Attacker: op mode(-)
Assaulting units:
I./33rd Inf Regt
The Evil Empire Captures Singkep:
Ground combat at Singkep (49,87)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3507 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 122
Defending force 442 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15
Taking into consideration sightings of Japanese ground units and the Japanese bombing campaign targets within China, I think the Evil Empire is making a major thrust toward Sian.
Analysis and comment will be appreciated.
Best Regards,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
Defending units:
3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion
91st PA Infantry Division
No allied ships lost today!
Picking up my pen, staring down at my first draft of "The Situation Report" for The War College. Sighing, dropping the pen and heading down to the Rusty Anchor for a couple scotch on the rocks.
[center][/center]
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."
Your assessment of an assault on Sian is likely correct. Getting to Chungking via the roads north of Sian is a favourite IJA route these days. Blocking in favourable terrain is the only way to delay him significantly. Develop defence in depth, so you can rotate out heavily disrupted units and bring in rested ones without giving up a hex.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
Your assessment of an assault on Sian is likely correct. Getting to Chungking via the roads north of Sian is a favourite IJA route these days. Blocking in favourable terrain is the only way to delay him significantly. Develop defence in depth, so you can rotate out heavily disrupted units and bring in rested ones without giving up a hex.
I have already blocked the roads in rough terrain for the northern route and have additional Chinese troops heading toward the northern route road.
I will heed your advice regarding rotating troops.
I can only hope to delay as long as possible, thereby keeping his troops tied up in China as long as possible.
Regrds,
-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."