Mayhemizer vs AllenK: The rematch

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US adds a marker to the GE/It pool, making 3 in each.

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Destroyed during M/J 1940. Looking ugly after that counter attack.

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Two incredible rolls by the Allies...I think the dice results can be considered to be balanced again.
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In M/J I made two major mistakes with Germany.

I should have railed troops from Poland to Rumania. Now it takes two impulses to reach Bulgarian border. I hoped turn to last long enough to take Bulgaria.

I should have converted result to retreat near Brussels to prevent counter attack.

Lesson learned.
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Well, to be honest, the only mistake you've made in France was not to overrun the ART. I would never have changed that result into a retreat. Never...

No, you've made another mistake. The Wehrmacht is only invincible in the first year of the war, if you concentrate your forces on one front. If you are greedy and want to use part of the Wehrmacht in the Balkans, you have to be more prudent in France. That means you have always to be on your guard for a French counterattack.

Remember: no Gamelin in the French army, so expect a "De Gaulle" style counterattack if you give the French the opportunity to do so. Preparation for the worst is very, very important...

That's why I'm always very happy when playing the Allies, if Germany elects to open other fronts. A reasonable German army group (HQ and/or couple of good INF) fighting in another part of Europe, means that I can delay the fall of France for at least a turn, maybe even two turns...).
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As for the French counter-attack...the average roll plus modifier, the result would have been a 13...what ever that is on the chart, but its not good for the French. Regardless, the French would probably still have survived M/J unless the turn end rolls were very ugly for them. The seeds of not killing off France in M/J here were sown in one impulse too late attacking Netherlands in a rain impulse, and using a fair impulse on attacking a Polish unit.

As for getting involved in a second front, I agree that Germany (post Poland) should not be suckered into it by the USSR, or make any plans away from the French theatre. That being said, it also depends on whether Germany has what it needs to take out the French on that front, and what ever is left over can then be used elsewhere (HQ Leeb plus what was on the Polish front not being on the French front will not delay the fall of France in any case). I highly doubt France will survive J/A in this case
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Italy breaks down 3-3 INF in France into two 1-3 INF divs.

No scrap for Axis.

Axis production

Germany (15)
Mot ENG
Mot div
SUB (2nd)
SUB (1st)
NAV-4
ARM div

Italy (7)
CP
SUB repair
NAV-3
Pilot

Japan (15)
SUB (1st)
2x CL (1st)
TRANS (1st)
CV Shokaku (2nd)
FTR-2
Pilot
Marine div
CV-0

China 7
Inf
Cav Div X2
Garr

CW 14
CP x4
Ftr-3
Pilot
Mot
CVP-1

France 9
Mil
Terr x3
Repair CL

US 11
Amph 2nd
Trans 2nd
Pilot
CVP-1 x2

USSR
Arm
Inf x2
Ftr-2
Pilot

Initiative

Axis 10, Allies 4. Axis re-roll. Both roll a 2. Allies get to choose and go first.
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Who rerolled initiative?
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Apologies, I got this mixed up. I'll have to redo it. It should be Allies re-rolling as both had a choice.
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Overrunning ART would have resulted my MECH to be disorganized. Was that correct?

And if I would have overrun ART there would not been real pocket. I expected turn to last longer and figured out that killing large amount coprs/armies would be a good idea.
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Having gone back to recreate the initiative rolls, I've discovered the mix-up was me quoting the initial roll as Axis 10, Allies 10. It should have been Axis 4, Allies 10 to bring up the Axis player with choice whether to re-roll, which was what happened. Given all the confusion, I've sent the file over to Mayhemizer so he can either go with the originals or start again as he wishes. It seemed only fair given my FUBAR.
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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Overrunning ART would have resulted my MECH to be disorganized. Was that correct?

And if I would have overrun ART there would not been real pocket. I expected turn to last longer and figured out that killing large amount coprs/armies would be a good idea.

Not to say it would have been better, but what I would have done differently would be to have not had an aircraft in the hex with the 9-4 inf, so that the 9-4 could have advanced and sat with the FJ, while the others, mech, mot and div, could have ended up together, whether that be in the hex of the (then overrun) art or not.

I'm in the school of "if you are the French, always look to counterattack!", so as Germany I tend to expect it and try to never leave anything like a reasonable attack available. But you can't defend against the dice as well!
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No need to redo any rolls. If you typed something wrong it does not change the result. Allies go first. No problem at all, everybody type wrong sometimes.
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Okay, thanks. Allies to go first.

First a look at the weather, which won't come as a disappointment to the Germans or Italians.

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Dear Little Bavarian Corporal,

The time has come, once again, to remind you of certain terms under the special agreement between our two great nations. There are certain areas of Finland that belong to the Russian people, which I wish to welcome back into the fold of our glorious Soviet Socialist Republic. I trust there will be no objections on your part.

Your most humble and obedient servant.

Uncle Joe.
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Dear Joe,

As I said before, the world is like a jungle. Strong ones can take what they want. I'm out of office and I don't have access to the latest spy reports. Can you please provide me information how much troops USSR has north from Pripet mashes?

Your old friend

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My dear fellow,

Please find attached the latest dispositions of the my valiant northern armies.

Uncle Joe

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The far north.

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(I'm sorry but as a Finn I have no other option but laugh.)

Dear Joe,

Impressive but not enough. Claim denied. Take it of you can.

Corporal


If you say or post a picture of Finnish troops I can tell where to put them.

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The USSR declares war on Finland.

The US reacts with horror (6 rolled, 2 chits removed).

I presume Finland to align with Germany?
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