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He is making a dent in my B17 fleet but I love to watch his planes drop to damage when they fly. Must make a mess for him in maintenance and repair.



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Betty's carrying 250KG bombs hit a destroyer with the group unloading at Tabituea

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NJP hit the Australian troops at 3-1 odds and caused a bit of damage and put them into retreat mode. The group came together into the hex and NJP decided to try his luck again.



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The first thing in the combat replay is the 65th Brigade drops in strength to 0 AV.



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Ouch! That's a lot of disabled squad. That brigade will be out for some time and so will the division. If Japan continues to waste LCUs like that in OZ then you are right that you will be able to hold. Perhaps I think too much what I would do in his shoes as opposed to what NJP is doing.
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Ouch! That's a lot of disabled squad. That brigade will be out for some time and so will the division. If Japan continues to waste LCUs like that in OZ then you are right that you will be able to hold. Perhaps I think too much what I would do in his shoes as opposed to what NJP is doing.

It is so easy to fear every attack rather than see that he has way too much stuff to cover. And also to see the perfect attack while not realizing the complications involved.

He has/had 600AV in that stack between the brigade and division. Another 250AV in the stack in portland and 950AV at Tasmania. that gives him 1800AV in the vicinity.

I have approximatly 850AV in the area in portland and west of portland and 900AV in both Sydney and Melbourne with other forces scattered about.

Having him consolidate those forces at either Melbourne or Sydney creates problems for the other areas of the map. he needs 2000-3000 AV of troops in one area yet he has to cover everything else. I can still swing 1200 AV of troops around while keeping 600AV at the other city.

The Japanese simply do not have enough troops to besiege both Sydney and Melbourne at the same time.

Tomorrow I march into Mildura with 150AV of tanks, AA and other annoying stuff. He will have to respond in some way and I can advance on Broken Hill, Adelaide or Port Augusta from there. Just another thing he has to worry about.

He has long lines of supply, I do not suffer from that problem. Also, I do not care if he cuts sydney off from Melbourne, it doesnt matter at this point.

NJP will not be given the luxury of a long siege unless I see it is to my advantage. And depending on the outcome of this next combat, he may re-think the assault altogether. 300+ squads disabled means most of the division and all of the brigade. My counterattack might be devastating or it might just put us back on even ground. I am shock attacking next turn of course. Hopefully my tanks have AV upon attack.

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Got a shot at the Akagi. It failed. I think one hit but it was a dud... On the bright side, the Akagi is smoking which usually means that it needs maintenance.

That might mean he has to go back to Soerbaja for repairs within a month or so.



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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Ouch! That's a lot of disabled squad. That brigade will be out for some time and so will the division. If Japan continues to waste LCUs like that in OZ then you are right that you will be able to hold. Perhaps I think too much what I would do in his shoes as opposed to what NJP is doing.

It is so easy to fear every attack rather than see that he has way too much stuff to cover. And also to see the perfect attack while not realizing the complications involved.

He has/had 600AV in that stack between the brigade and division. Another 250AV in the stack in portland and 950AV at Tasmania. that gives him 1800AV in the vicinity.

I have approximatly 850AV in the area in portland and west of portland and 900AV in both Sydney and Melbourne with other forces scattered about.

Having him consolidate those forces at either Melbourne or Sydney creates problems for the other areas of the map. he needs 2000-3000 AV of troops in one area yet he has to cover everything else. I can still swing 1200 AV of troops around while keeping 600AV at the other city.

The Japanese simply do not have enough troops to besiege both Sydney and Melbourne at the same time.

Tomorrow I march into Mildura with 150AV of tanks, AA and other annoying stuff. He will have to respond in some way and I can advance on Broken Hill, Adelaide or Port Augusta from there. Just another thing he has to worry about.

He has long lines of supply, I do not suffer from that problem. Also, I do not care if he cuts sydney off from Melbourne, it doesnt matter at this point.

NJP will not be given the luxury of a long siege unless I see it is to my advantage. And depending on the outcome of this next combat, he may re-think the assault altogether. 300+ squads disabled means most of the division and all of the brigade. My counterattack might be devastating or it might just put us back on even ground. I am shock attacking next turn of course. Hopefully my tanks have AV upon attack.

With what you have there I thin this is the moment to go all-in, so well played. It could break him there, and one success like that could start to unravel the entire campaign.
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The allied shock attack goes in at only 1-1 but the equivalent of 2 regiments are evaporated on the Japanese side. Also, the units do not retreat which is not particularly good for NJP as it gives me another turn to beat his forces to death.



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Once those Aussie Armoured units get proper tanks, the IJA in 1942 cannot cope with them. Go get-em ... again! [:)]
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Once those Aussie Armoured units get proper tanks, the IJA in 1942 cannot cope with them. Go get-em ... again! [:)]

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NJP sends a strike in against my landing force at Tarawa. It is heartbreaking to watch troop ships burn!!

Luckily the embedded Portland puts some punishing rounds into the Furutaka and leaves it heavily burning.



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The allies deal a little payback to the assault force!!

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Another direct attack goes in on the army near Portland. They do get the chance to retreat but lose another 235 squads.

That means that given FOW he lost almost all of the combat troops out of both the division and the brigade. Those units may be able to be rebuilt but they will never be the same.





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Your tanks should be able to catch up with the remnants of the IJA division & brigade, no? Did they retreat into a hex you do not wish to go into? Or is draining their pools with rebuilding units part of your strategy?
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Your tanks should be able to catch up with the remnants of the IJA division & brigade, no? Did they retreat into a hex you do not wish to go into? Or is draining their pools with rebuilding units part of your strategy?

They retreated into the jungle hex northeast of Portland.

He has over 900 AV just freed up from Tasmania. I am not going to try to get ahead of myself. I am trying to extract my troops from Portland and wish to pull back and see what he wants to do.

Most of what is left of those troops is support and he is never going to run out of that...
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NJP sends a strike in against my landing force at Tarawa. It is heartbreaking to watch troop ships burn!!

Luckily the embedded Portland puts some punishing rounds into the Furutaka and leaves it heavily burning.

I know it's early, and there are limited options, but I'd consider not using the 12 knot ships in the same TF with the AP/AK which are faster. Also, if that is all one TF it's pretty big. A lot of Allied players tend to go over 15 ships but I've tried not to do that for two reasons; one you have less ability to coordinate escort against subs, AA and suffer more collisions, and two, you risk ALL being caught by one SCTF or CV TF. I've seen escort perform better in smaller TFs too, but here it's likely it wouldn't matter against those CAs.

Not at all sure the situation here but if the AP/AK unload faster they also might get out before the rest, thus not getting hit at all. I only learned this because Jocke was very good at quick one day amphibious ops where unless i predicted and took a chance at it, he would be gone before I could react.

What is the final talley after the several battles here?
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Or is draining their pools with rebuilding units part of your strategy?

For most items, Japan really has no pools. They build to suit.

Well, I guess you could mean the armaments pool...but that is generally never a problem. Same with manpower which never is.

Heavy Industry can be depending what is happening on the plane, ship, and economic front.

Supply definitely can be drained.
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I hate using and then losing any APs that become APAs in early '43. Its easier to use your plentiful xAPs despite their slow unload rates.
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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

NJP sends a strike in against my landing force at Tarawa. It is heartbreaking to watch troop ships burn!!

Luckily the embedded Portland puts some punishing rounds into the Furutaka and leaves it heavily burning.

I know it's early, and there are limited options, but I'd consider not using the 12 knot ships in the same TF with the AP/AK which are faster. Also, if that is all one TF it's pretty big. A lot of Allied players tend to go over 15 ships but I've tried not to do that for two reasons; one you have less ability to coordinate escort against subs, AA and suffer more collisions, and two, you risk ALL being caught by one SCTF or CV TF. I've seen escort perform better in smaller TFs too, but here it's likely it wouldn't matter against those CAs.

Not at all sure the situation here but if the AP/AK unload faster they also might get out before the rest, thus not getting hit at all. I only learned this because Jocke was very good at quick one day amphibious ops where unless i predicted and took a chance at it, he would be gone before I could react.

What is the final talley after the several battles here?

Agreed about the ships but that was what was available for such a large convoy. I tend to break off unloaded ships and either just put them in port or head them back for further operations.

Maybe several smaller task forces would have been better but I didnt have enough DD's to cover each individual force then. The CA's were never on the radar so I did not see them coming.

It is very likely that he lost a cruiser and 2 destroyers. Another cruiser is severely wounded/on fire and may or may not survive the contact. Nothing has shown up on the sunk ship list but he entered the combat with 6 ships and when it was over he had a TF of 1 ship (a CA) which I believe was the cruiser that broke off at the first encounter and was likely escorted by a destroyer that was also crippled. That or the destroyer just wasnt picked up in FOW.

The other TF was 2 ships and the one CA never suffered significant damage so that would definitely be that TF.

On my side I definitely lost 4 nice AP's. The total could be 5-6 AP's. On the flip side only about 120 troops were lost, the remaining troop ships were driven back to Tabituea where they are unloading the remainder of the units.

I got over 400AV unloaded on Tarawa which was not defended. Airfields are at 36% to level 1 there. At Tabituea which was never in japanese hands the airfield is 60%. Many other troop transports are inbound with advanced air bases, construction troops, etc. Also, many of these waves will be hitting near Pago Pago and other smaller islands within the next week or so.

Lets see what NJP decides to do.

My plan is to continue to push into the Pacific until it gets too dangerous.
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