TGW AAR

[sPzAbt653]

I never have been able to grasp the Replacement System. Chris Horn wrote an excellent article on it : http://www.gr-8.biz/toaw/rr/replacement ... ution.html but its above my level of education to understand it.

The Pz and PzGr Div's have the same priority, SS units have higher.

[sPzAbt653]

I'm thinking that I will only refit one division at a time, to keep from spreading out the limited equipment replacements and holding up the return to the field.

That is the way it was intended, as that is what happened historically. Of course, when the units are disbanded there is no way to guarantee that equipment goes back to the same unit. And if at least 66% of the 1st Line is not given by the engine, then the unit will not come back. I suspect that is why when a bunch are refit at the same time, it takes them longer to return.

Units usually were out for months refitting, and except for the SS rarely were units brought all the way up to TO&E. So it seems like it it working as intended. It might take some getting used to, but we've used the same system for D21 for years.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
Steve, can you confirm or deny that the 16th PzGr Divison is lower on the priority list for equipment? 16th PzGr has been sitting in Berlin since November 8th,1942 and it's now January 17th, 1943. As you can see from the picture below, they haven't gotten any truck replacements yet. Which I find odd.

Moving forward, I'm thinking that I will only refit one division at a time, to keep from spreading out the limited equipment replacements and holding up the return to the field.

Yo Commander V dude: Check your inventory and see if you have any trucks on hand. I see where we're making only 60 new ones
each turn and if you're losing them faster than that you might just be almost out of trucks. I'm only on turn 60 and haven't really exposed a lot of my trucks to combat yet and so I've got 3K+ of them but I'd be curious to know how many you got.

EDIT: Also, I wanted to say that the idea of spreading out the refits of the Panzers is a really really good idea. I did 6 divisions at
the same time in a previous game and I don't remember ever seeing them again. D'oh.

I'm in great shape with trucks on hand, and my per turn is down to a 23 rate in JAN43.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

AGS update - turn 84, 24JAN43

Rostov has been captured, and the defensive forces are set up to hold that sector. On the north side resistance is heavier, and will take a little longer to secure.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

Air War Briefing - Turn 84

Air Fleet assignments -

AS missions - All Bf-109 squads(Forward airfields), All FW-190 squads(forward airfields), and All Me-110 squads(back from front lines helping defend bombers squads being attacked)
CS missions - None
Interdiction missions - All bomber aircraft (Located at second tier airfields back from front lines)

[Cmdr_Vessery]

I opted to test the airfield attack on a Soviet frontline airbase. Results were better than I expected.

Destroyed all 3 soviet air wings at the field during the second attack on the airfield.





I may have to increase my airfield attacks to reduce the Soviet Air dominance over the battlefield. Only drawback is that the bomber squads drop rapidly in readiness and supply with airfield attacks.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
I opted to test the airfield attack on a Soviet frontline airbase. Results were better than I expected.

Destroyed all 3 soviet air wings at the field during the second attack on the airfield.

I may have to increase my airfield attacks to reduce the Soviet Air dominance over the battlefield.

I'm glad your results were good. I've noticed mixed results on airfield strikes and I think it's because some of them
are escorted and some are not. There IS a difference in the results of the strike ( BDA ) and losses. Keep track
will you, of the results of your airfield strikes because I'm curious to know how your airfield strikes come out.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
I opted to test the airfield attack on a Soviet frontline airbase. Results were better than I expected.

Destroyed all 3 soviet air wings at the field during the second attack on the airfield.

I may have to increase my airfield attacks to reduce the Soviet Air dominance over the battlefield.

I'm glad your results were good. I've noticed mixed results on airfield strikes and I think it's because some of them
are escorted and some are not. There IS a difference in the results of the strike ( BDA ) and losses. Keep track
will you, of the results of your airfield strikes because I'm curious to know how your airfield strikes come out.

I think I may have gotten lucky, and as well, with the location of the strike. And, there was no Soviet response from fighters either. I will post additional strikes as I conduct them.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

AGS update - Turn 85, 31JAN43

Haven't had really good time to play and post.. been busy with work and RL. But, have some time tonight, so I'm firing up the Panzers and gaining ground.

The push towards Stalingrad is ongoing. Strong Soviet units have started showing up along the left flank of the advancement. Yellow encircled area shows incursions by the Soviets. More Anti-Tank units are being railed into the area for support against the Red hordes...

[Cmdr_Vessery]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
I opted to test the airfield attack on a Soviet frontline airbase. Results were better than I expected.

Destroyed all 3 soviet air wings at the field during the second attack on the airfield.

I may have to increase my airfield attacks to reduce the Soviet Air dominance over the battlefield.

I'm glad your results were good. I've noticed mixed results on airfield strikes and I think it's because some of them
are escorted and some are not. There IS a difference in the results of the strike ( BDA ) and losses. Keep track
will you, of the results of your airfield strikes because I'm curious to know how your airfield strikes come out.

Completed another successful Airfield attack which destroyed 3 more Soviet Air groups. I saturated the area with fighter cover, and hammered the airfield with 6 bomber air groups. Soviet bombers had no chance. Didn't get a screen shot of the battle results, but Soviet's had 100% losses, and German's had 0% losses.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

Saturation bombing results of the Soviet airfield at Vladimir.



Aircraft losses listed in the next post.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

Airfield Vladimir aircraft losses.



As you can see, I brought in ALOT of support for the 6 bomber air groups. I had 6 AS fighter groups within range for cover.

On the battle front where movement is static right now, I am targeting specific airfields for strategic bombing to reduce Soviet air power. OFC, conducting these types of bomber raids is hard on the bomber groups, cuz, now I have 2 bomber groups that are in reorg.. doh..

[Cmdr_Vessery]

Steve,

Got a unit question for you.. And, I'm sure that it's correct, but I gotta ask anyway.

129th FLak unit has 100 88's, is that correct? The others seem like they have about half that. But, it is listed as "OKH Army flak", so I'm assuming that the equipment list is good. Makes for a really nice tank buster unit...

[sPzAbt653]

129th FLak unit has 100 88's, is that correct?

Can't find the site for that right now, I'll look later when I have more time.

[sPzAbt653]

Still can't find it. Too many pages of notes and not enough organization on my part. I thought it was Sturmvogel or Panzerkiel, but those searches aren't bringing anything up.

I remember reading an article somewhere about the SturmFlak Regiments and the differences between them and the standard Flak regiments. Whatever the source, it was based on something because I know I didn't make it up. Of course, the source could have been wrong or inaccurate.

[Cmdr_Vessery]

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Still can't find it. Too many pages of notes and not enough organization on my part. I thought it was Sturmvogel or Panzerkiel, but those searches aren't bringing anything up.

I remember reading an article somewhere about the SturmFlak Regiments and the differences between them and the standard Flak regiments. Whatever the source, it was based on something because I know I didn't make it up. Of course, the source could have been wrong or inaccurate.

No worries. It caught my eye cause it was much bigger than the other flak units. Good by me. No need to look further.

[sPzAbt653]

Another possibility is that particular unit was combined with some other smaller units without reflecting it in the unit name. For example, 129th Flak Reg plus 36th, 58th and 92nd Flak Btns. Something like that.

[governato]

Btw, the number of IL-4 being produced seems way way high. My sources quote about 4400 being produced in total, consistent with the fact that the scenario allows to field only about 200 of them ...

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: governato
Btw, the number of IL-4 being produced seems way way high. My sources quote about 4400 being produced in total, consistent with the fact that the scenario allows to field only about 200 of them ...

This figure you quoted, 4400 being produced, is that during the entire war or just a snapshot of one year's production or what? I'm
not aware of what the "actual" number is supposed to be but I would like it to be accurate. What's your source dude?

[sPzAbt653]

Yeah, I didn't include the Air Unit stuff in the Soviet OOB Doc.

Production numbers won't be exactly as they were historically because production fluctuates during the scenario. Also, TGW doesn't produce all of the historical types of planes, the air unit oob has been streamlined to fit the scenario. For the Il-4, most of those units are removed in May 1942, only the Long Range Bomber units stay. Regardless what planes the LRB's used historically, in TGW they only contain the obsolete Pe-'s and Il-4's. A couple of those units are in for the duration of the scenario, as they were historically. So there could be 100,000 of them produced, but only a couple hundred will ever be in action at any point.

More important are the numbers for Lost and Assigned, which at scenarios end should resemble historical numbers. However, we don't have any scenario end files for TGW v1.8 yet, so there could be some needed changes.