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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions

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Noted will update
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YF-12A/SR-71 1.07 RC 2

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Hi Guys,

Just did a check on the YF-12s and SR-71s in the latest CWDB, and it appears the SR-71 has the right range but just does the normal 400 knots at 80,000+ feet, while the YF-12 gets up to speed (or at least tries to) but burns up all it's fuel in just a hundred miles or so. Not sure if this is a database error, or just the game needing unique code for Blackbird-class aircraft. Any chance of getting this fixed? If nothing else, increasing the YF-12s fuel load may give it time to get to a patrol station and spend a reasonable amount of time there?

Thanks!

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Thanks and noted
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Hi Guys,

Just did a check on the YF-12s and SR-71s in the latest CWDB, and it appears the SR-71 has the right range but just does the normal 400 knots at 80,000+ feet, while the YF-12 gets up to speed (or at least tries to) but burns up all it's fuel in just a hundred miles or so. Not sure if this is a database error, or just the game needing unique code for Blackbird-class aircraft. Any chance of getting this fixed? If nothing else, increasing the YF-12s fuel load may give it time to get to a patrol station and spend a reasonable amount of time there?

Thanks!

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RE: YF-12A/SR-71 1.07 RC 2

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Small problem I've noticed now that the OODA values are visible, involving the cancelled British warships in the CWDB. Obviously, since they're cancelled and hypothetical, this should be taken with a grain of salt, but they look out of place when compared to their historical counterparts.

#1913 D ?? [Type 43]
-OODA Range 60-24 seconds.

The Type 43 was to be an advanced AA destroyer. While perhaps not better, it should seemingly be at least as effective as the predecessor Type 42 (OODA Range 20-8 seconds).

#1501 F 92 Type 17
-OODA Range 60-24 seconds.

Smaller and less directly important than the huge gap in the T-43, but should probably be at the level of the Leander (OODA Range 40-16 seconds).

Obviously given that the ships weren't actually built and that the factors behind exact OODA loop length are extremely complex means this involves a degree of arbitrariness, but they still seemed jarring, especially the Type 43/42 difference.
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Small problem I've noticed now that the OODA values are visible, involving the cancelled British warships in the CWDB. Obviously, since they're cancelled and hypothetical, this should be taken with a grain of salt, but they look out of place when compared to their historical counterparts.

#1913 D ?? [Type 43]
-OODA Range 60-24 seconds.

The Type 43 was to be an advanced AA destroyer. While perhaps not better, it should seemingly be at least as effective as the predecessor Type 42 (OODA Range 20-8 seconds).

#1501 F 92 Type 17
-OODA Range 60-24 seconds.

Smaller and less directly important than the huge gap in the T-43, but should probably be at the level of the Leander (OODA Range 40-16 seconds).

Obviously given that the ships weren't actually built and that the factors behind exact OODA loop length are extremely complex means this involves a degree of arbitrariness, but they still seemed jarring, especially the Type 43/42 difference.
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RE: YF-12A/SR-71 1.07 RC 2

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Paul,

Any interest in having the information for the Landing Craft-type gunboats/mortar boats? They were mostly used in WWII, but some did see service through Vietnam (and maybe longer in other navies besides the US)? I have pretty good info on most variations.
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Hi if you have them Ill add them not a problem :)
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Paul,

Any interest in having the information for the Landing Craft-type gunboats/mortar boats? They were mostly used in WWII, but some did see service through Vietnam (and maybe longer in other navies besides the US)? I have pretty good info on most variations.
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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions

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Great update, but found a few things that I would like to report.

Leahy class cruiser, the 1967-72 (#781) got the RIM-2F Terrier, but reverts to RIM-2E with the 1972-76 (#76) version. Same goes for the Decatur class destroyer. The 1972-75 version (#768) is ment to have RIM-24 Tartar (described as such in the DB viewer), but armed with RIM-66 Standard. It reverts to RIM-24 on the 1975-82 version (#769).

Also all RIM-2D Terrier missiles in US ship magazines are the conventional version(#669), despite loadouts of the magazines (2-4 missiles per ship) make me believe they should be the nuclear tipped version(#1088). Same goes for the De Zeven Provincien class when armed with RIM-2 and Andrea Doria class when armed with the RIM-2E.

Going to repost this, as it persists in ver 1.07.
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests

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Hello,
can you please add late 1940s to early 1960s british Type 13 radar height finder as sensor? It was used by the United Kingdom and West Germany and usually accompanied british Type 80 long range radar. Some data:

Maximum Range: 100 to 150 miles
Frequency: 3 GHz (10 cm)
Radar Horizontal Beam width: 4 to 7.5 (sources disagree)
Radar Vertical Beamw width: 1 to 1.5 (sources disagree)
Radar Peak Power: 500 Kw
Radar Pulse Width: 0.6 to 1.9
Radar PRF: 250 to 500

nodded vertically from -1° elevation to +20° elevation
6 cycles per minute

Sources:
http://www.radarpages.co.uk/mob/rotor/type13.htm
http://www.ventnorradar.co.uk/Type1314.htm
http://martinshough.com/aerialphenomena ... Neale2.htm
http://martinshough.com/aerialphenomena ... rspecs.htm
http://ahistoryofrafsaxavord.blogspot.c ... -site.html
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte809.en.html
http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?h ... S%201A.htm

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions

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Hi, Guys-
Looks like the KA-3B Navy version cannot act as a tanker like the KA-3B MC version (the Navy seems to be missing the "Wing Drogue" property entry).

Also, my reading of the EKA-3B is that it can do both offensive ECM as well as act as a tanker, but the database loadouts seems to only permit one or the other (source: footnote 10 at the A-3 Wikipedia page).

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Hi noted will amend platforms as requested
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Hi, Guys-
Looks like the KA-3B Navy version cannot act as a tanker like the KA-3B MC version (the Navy seems to be missing the "Wing Drogue" property entry).

Also, my reading of the EKA-3B is that it can do both offensive ECM as well as act as a tanker, but the database loadouts seems to only permit one or the other (source: footnote 10 at the A-3 Wikipedia page).

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Hi thanks for the infomation on the to do list
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Hello,
can you please add late 1940s to early 1960s british Type 13 radar height finder as sensor? It was used by the United Kingdom and West Germany and usually accompanied british Type 80 long range radar. Some data:

Maximum Range: 100 to 150 miles
Frequency: 3 GHz (10 cm)
Radar Horizontal Beam width: 4 to 7.5 (sources disagree)
Radar Vertical Beamw width: 1 to 1.5 (sources disagree)
Radar Peak Power: 500 Kw
Radar Pulse Width: 0.6 to 1.9
Radar PRF: 250 to 500

nodded vertically from -1° elevation to +20° elevation
6 cycles per minute

Sources:
http://www.radarpages.co.uk/mob/rotor/type13.htm
http://www.ventnorradar.co.uk/Type1314.htm
http://martinshough.com/aerialphenomena ... Neale2.htm
http://martinshough.com/aerialphenomena ... rspecs.htm
http://ahistoryofrafsaxavord.blogspot.c ... -site.html
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/karte809.en.html
http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?h ... S%201A.htm

Thanks in advance.


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests

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Hi Sirius.

I know you devs are extremely busy, but with the up cumming release I have to ask. Have the YF-12 fuel consumption issue been looked at?

I reported it sometime last year, and several other have also mentioned the extremely short range of the YF-12.

It burns something like 3500kg/min at military. This seems a bit excessive considering the SR-71´s fuel consumption.

Søren

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I noticed the SR-71 in the database only had military power, not afterburning power. I wasn't sure if there was a reason for that, if it it was an oversight.

Also, the number of bases in the CONUS and continental Europe is quite small. There are not a lot of bases used by the USAF in Spain, for example. With mid-air refueling now a reality, those sorts of bases become important because they were very often logistics hubs.
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Hi thanks all noted and will look into it
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I noticed the SR-71 in the database only had military power, not afterburning power. I wasn't sure if there was a reason for that, if it it was an oversight.

Also, the number of bases in the CONUS and continental Europe is quite small. There are not a lot of bases used by the USAF in Spain, for example. With mid-air refueling now a reality, those sorts of bases become important because they were very often logistics hubs.
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For the South Vietnam's Air Force (VNAF) please, check this Report

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RE: YF-12A/SR-71 1.07 RC 2

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Hi if you have them Ill add them not a problem :)
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Paul,

Any interest in having the information for the Landing Craft-type gunboats/mortar boats? They were mostly used in WWII, but some did see service through Vietnam (and maybe longer in other navies besides the US)? I have pretty good info on most variations.

Only a few months late...

These are based on CWDB's #2293 LCI 467 Amahai, which is an LCI(G) transferred to the Dutch and then to Indonesia. I'll note changes per type and variation. Most of this materiel is based on Osprey's Landing Craft, Infantry and Fire Support and U.S. Amphibious Ships and Craft: An Illustrated Design History By Norman Friedman. 211 total LCI(L)s were transferred to the Royal Navy and 25 to the Soviets in 1945 (designated DS - desantnoye sudno/assault ships).

Basic Landing Craft Infantry (Large) LCI(L)-1 class:

Armament: 4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns. One on bow, one on aft superstructure (cannot shoot forward) and two on the stern facing aft.
In service 1942
299x built

Displacement: 234 long tons (238 t) standard
389 long tons (395 t) full
Length: 158 ft 6 in (48.31 m)
Beam: 23 ft 3 in (7.09 m)
Draft: 5 ft 4 in (1.63 m)
5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) aft
Propulsion: 8 × GM diesel engines, 2 shafts (4 engines per shaft), 1,600 bhp (1,193 kW)
Speed: 16 knots (30 km/h; 18 mph)
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km) at 12 kn (22 km/h) (130 tons)

No radars fitted except in rare cases

Basic LCI(L)-351 class:

Armament: 5x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns. Four 20mm on the corners of the deckhouse, fifth gun on the bow.
In service 1943
595 built

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type A (LCI(L)-351 base) 10x built

2x 40mm single, forward deckhouse corners
3x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, bow mount, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying
720 rockets, 3000 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type B (LCI(L)-351 base) 8x built

3x 40mm single, bow and forward deckhouse corners
2x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
8x 4.5" Mk1 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
later (1944+) versions had 42x 4.5" Mk7 launchers
No troop carrying
754 rockets, 4500 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type E (LCI(L)-351 base)

1x 3"/50 Mk22 , forward, elevated mount fires over bow
1x 40mm single, bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, deckhouse corners
10x .50cal, five per side - bow, amidships, aft
No troop carrying

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type C (LCI(L)-1 base) 7x built

2x 40mm single, forward deckhouse corners
3x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, bow mount, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
2x 4.5" Mk22 Rocket Launchers ((12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type D (LCI(L)-1 base) 20+ built

3x 40mm single, bow mount, forward deckhouse corners
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two bow mount, two fantail
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying
720 rockets, 4000 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Rocket) LCI(R) (LCI(L)-1 base) 18x built
In service 1944
H2C Radar
1x 40mm bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns on deckhouse corners
6x 4.5" Mk30 Rocket Launchers (6 rockets per launcher, 30 minute reload time)
later (1945) rearmed with 6x Mk 51 5" rocket launchers (12 rockets each, 15 minute reload time, 1700 rockets in magazine)
1100 rockets, 1000 40mm rounds in magazine
Unspecified ECM equipment

Landing Craft Infantry (Mortar) LCI(M) (LCI(L)-351 base) 42x built
In service 1944
1x 40mm bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns on deckhouse corners
3x 4.2" Mortars mounted forward of the deckhouse
1200 mortar rounds in magazine

Landing Craft Support (Large) LCS(L)3 LCI(L)-351 base "Might Midget" 130x built
158.5 foot length
23 foot, 3 inch beam

387 tons loaded displacement
15.5 knots max speed
5500 mile range @ 12 knots

70 crew (5 officers, 65 men)

1x 3"/50 Mk22 bow mount (alternately 1x 40mm or 1x twin 40mm - varied widely)
2x twin 40mm (forward deckhouse and fantail)
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two forward deckhouse, two aft deckhouse
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers
53x transferred to Japanese MSDF in 1952
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Hi Hellfish no problems Ill get these added
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Hi if you have them Ill add them not a problem :)
ORIGINAL: hellfish6

Paul,

Any interest in having the information for the Landing Craft-type gunboats/mortar boats? They were mostly used in WWII, but some did see service through Vietnam (and maybe longer in other navies besides the US)? I have pretty good info on most variations.

Only a few months late...

These are based on CWDB's #2293 LCI 467 Amahai, which is an LCI(G) transferred to the Dutch and then to Indonesia. I'll note changes per type and variation. Most of this materiel is based on Osprey's Landing Craft, Infantry and Fire Support and U.S. Amphibious Ships and Craft: An Illustrated Design History By Norman Friedman. 211 total LCI(L)s were transferred to the Royal Navy and 25 to the Soviets in 1945 (designated DS - desantnoye sudno/assault ships).

Basic Landing Craft Infantry (Large) LCI(L)-1 class:

Armament: 4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns. One on bow, one on aft superstructure (cannot shoot forward) and two on the stern facing aft.
In service 1942
299x built

Displacement: 234 long tons (238 t) standard
389 long tons (395 t) full
Length: 158 ft 6 in (48.31 m)
Beam: 23 ft 3 in (7.09 m)
Draft: 5 ft 4 in (1.63 m)
5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) aft
Propulsion: 8 × GM diesel engines, 2 shafts (4 engines per shaft), 1,600 bhp (1,193 kW)
Speed: 16 knots (30 km/h; 18 mph)
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km) at 12 kn (22 km/h) (130 tons)

No radars fitted except in rare cases

Basic LCI(L)-351 class:

Armament: 5x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns. Four 20mm on the corners of the deckhouse, fifth gun on the bow.
In service 1943
595 built

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type A (LCI(L)-351 base) 10x built

2x 40mm single, forward deckhouse corners
3x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, bow mount, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying
720 rockets, 3000 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type B (LCI(L)-351 base) 8x built

3x 40mm single, bow and forward deckhouse corners
2x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
8x 4.5" Mk1 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
later (1944+) versions had 42x 4.5" Mk7 launchers
No troop carrying
754 rockets, 4500 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type E (LCI(L)-351 base)

1x 3"/50 Mk22 , forward, elevated mount fires over bow
1x 40mm single, bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, deckhouse corners
10x .50cal, five per side - bow, amidships, aft
No troop carrying

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type C (LCI(L)-1 base) 7x built

2x 40mm single, forward deckhouse corners
3x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, bow mount, two on aft deckhouse corners
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
2x 4.5" Mk22 Rocket Launchers ((12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying

Landing Craft Infantry (Gun) LCI(G) Type D (LCI(L)-1 base) 20+ built

3x 40mm single, bow mount, forward deckhouse corners
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two bow mount, two fantail
6x .50cal, three per side - bow, amidships, aft
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers (12 rockets per launcher). Firing forward, not trainable.
No troop carrying
720 rockets, 4000 rounds of 40mm in magazine

Landing Craft Infantry (Rocket) LCI(R) (LCI(L)-1 base) 18x built
In service 1944
H2C Radar
1x 40mm bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns on deckhouse corners
6x 4.5" Mk30 Rocket Launchers (6 rockets per launcher, 30 minute reload time)
later (1945) rearmed with 6x Mk 51 5" rocket launchers (12 rockets each, 15 minute reload time, 1700 rockets in magazine)
1100 rockets, 1000 40mm rounds in magazine
Unspecified ECM equipment

Landing Craft Infantry (Mortar) LCI(M) (LCI(L)-351 base) 42x built
In service 1944
1x 40mm bow
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns on deckhouse corners
3x 4.2" Mortars mounted forward of the deckhouse
1200 mortar rounds in magazine

Landing Craft Support (Large) LCS(L)3 LCI(L)-351 base "Might Midget" 130x built
158.5 foot length
23 foot, 3 inch beam

387 tons loaded displacement
15.5 knots max speed
5500 mile range @ 12 knots

70 crew (5 officers, 65 men)

1x 3"/50 Mk22 bow mount (alternately 1x 40mm or 1x twin 40mm - varied widely)
2x twin 40mm (forward deckhouse and fantail)
4x 20mm Mk4 Oerlikon guns, two forward deckhouse, two aft deckhouse
10x 4.5" Mk7 Rocket Launchers
53x transferred to Japanese MSDF in 1952
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RE: YF-12A/SR-71 1.07 RC 2

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Let me know if you need anything else - I have pictures that could help mount placement, and lots of other reference materiel to hopefully fill any gaps.

Thanks Sirius!
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